I may go vegan

[Casey]

Also, that video is amazing.

Of course nothing he said in it was new information to me,
but his presentational style is awesome.

Thanks for posting that, dude. Much appreciated.

 

[Da_Funk]

I'm with Masta. Take small steps. Going from a diet of junk food and pop to Veganism is like starting a new job and expecting to be CEO in a year. I used to eat like Masta and Coonie, but I gradually cut out the junk food and upped the veggies + fruit. Now I eat veggies with every meal and as snacks + I have fruit with breakfast everyday (one of the best changes I made btw) but I still eat quite a bit of chicken and seafood. I usually have kangaroo or lamb once a week, both are red meats. It's been almost 3 years and I know I'm still not at the point where I'd be comfortable becoming a vegetarian. a big part of being healthy is finding an exercise you like and sticking to it, I find this often gets under looked. When most people think exercise they think buckets of sweat, or lifting 100 lb weights at the gym. Anything that gets your heart rate up to 100-110 that you can maintain for 20-30 min is all you need.

If you guys can do it, kudos.

 

[Jokerman]

I may go carnivore. Eat me some kangaroo.

 

[dilla]

Also, that video is amazing.

Of course nothing he said in it was new information to me,
but his presentational style is awesome.

Thanks for posting that, dude. Much appreciated.

That's what really got me. Delivery is key when dealing with some thing that most people may be hesitant about. I spew some anti-Semtitic rants, I become a pariah. Hit ler does it? Motherfucking Holocaust.

It's another thing I really liked about Steve Jobs, and more recently, Vic Gundothra of Google. Their delivery and just overall presentation skills can make the most mundane feature announcement sound like something you have to have.

If I become a physician, those are the skills I want to refine when with patients too. No longer will "yo nigga, you ain't gotz AIDS yet, nigga? HO! SNAP! You gotz to git on this shit, bitch, PRONTO!! YOLOOOOO!!!" suffice. It's something that needs to change in all of healthcare, and how weird that the tech world (or an announcement in it) can still be relevant in another field in day-to-day practice.

 

[Pittsey]

I'm with Masta. Take small steps. Going from a diet of junk food and pop to Veganism is like starting a new job and expecting to be CEO in a year. I used to eat like Masta and Coonie, but I gradually cut out the junk food and upped the veggies + fruit. Now I eat veggies with every meal and as snacks + I have fruit with breakfast everyday (one of the best changes I made btw) but I still eat quite a bit of chicken and seafood. I usually have kangaroo or lamb once a week, both are red meats. It's been almost 3 years and I know I'm still not at the point where I'd be comfortable becoming a vegetarian. a big part of being healthy is finding an exercise you like and sticking to it, I find this often gets under looked. When most people think exercise they think buckets of sweat, or lifting 100 lb weights at the gym. Anything that gets your heart rate up to 100-110 that you can maintain for 20-30 min is all you need.

If you guys can do it, kudos.

Exercise is my next step. I need to start running or boxing again. I need some heavy cardio.

I only eat meat once or twice a week now. I am probably eating too much fish. About 5 times a week, I worry about the toxins from the polluted waters. But I am eating lots more healthy foods also. I have found some brilliant vegetarian recipes and I actually feel a lot healthier. I am also managing to drink 2L of water a day. Which I have never done before.

 

[Da_Funk]

^That actually blows my mind. Drinking less than 2L of water a day. Water is my main drink.

What is with the whole fish != meat??? Fish IS meat ffs. I once met a "vegetarian" who ate fish. Idiot.

I forgot to add, rice is terrible for you. On par with white bread.

 

[Pittsey]

^That actually blows my mind. Drinking less than 2L of water a day. Water is my main drink.

What is with the whole fish != meat??? Fish IS meat ffs. I once met a "vegetarian" who ate fish. Idiot.

I forgot to add, rice is terrible for you. On par with white bread.

What about Brown Rice?

Technically, Fish is meat. Someone who eats Fish and not meat is a pescatarian. I was just making a different distinction between livestock and fish. Most of the fish I have eaten is seafood, which is probably dirtier for you. But my diet changes are for health and not moral reasons and I don't claim to be a vegetarian. I haven't eaten any dairy for over a month.

Water is pretty much all I drink now. I have a cup of tea or 2 a day, I imagine this may double during winter. And 2-3L of water. I now piss over 10 times a day though. Before, I just didn't drink much fluid.

 

[Da_Funk]

What about Brown Rice?

Technically, Fish is meat. Someone who eats Fish and not meat is a pescatarian. I was just making a different distinction between livestock and fish. Most of the fish I have eaten is seafood, which is probably dirtier for you. But my diet changes are for health and not moral reasons and I don't claim to be a vegetarian. I haven't eaten any dairy for over a month.

Water is pretty much all I drink now. I have a cup of tea or 2 a day, I imagine this may double during winter. And 2-3L of water. I now piss over 10 times a day though. Before, I just didn't drink much fluid.

Why is seafood bad for you? I think it'd be much better than any other meat for you. I'm no expert, but I imagine it's pretty hard to pollute the ocean. Dairy is the pits but I can't say no to cheese. I also try and stay away from all wheat or flour based products.

Brown rice is better than white. I find it stays rather bland though. A very good substitute for rice is quinoa. Look it up and try it out if you haven't.

 

[Flipmo]

Mercury levels in fish and seafood is something people point out a lot. That said, fish is a healthier choice than meat, especially red meat.

 

[masta247]

Depending on what you want to achieve with your diet, rice is often okay

Jasmine rice is the healthy one - it contains no dietary fiber whatsoever (the white rice does) but there's plenty of healthy carbohydrates (as opposed to white rice), iron and no fat.

If you mix rice with chicken and add some vegetables it's a great, "clean" calorie source - a meal with very little fat, relatively high on protein because of chicken and healthy carbohydrates.
You can mix rice with boiiled potatoes (I prefer the taste) but after all I think that jasmine rice is healthier.

 

[Da_Funk]

Depending on what you want to achieve with your diet, rice is often okay

Jasmine rice is the healthy one - it contains no dietary fiber whatsoever (the white rice does) but there's plenty of healthy carbohydrates (as opposed to white rice), iron and no fat.

If you mix rice with chicken and add some vegetables it's a great, "clean" calorie source - a meal with very little fat, relatively high on protein because of chicken and healthy carbohydrates.
You can mix rice with boiiled potatoes (I prefer the taste) but after all I think that jasmine rice is healthier.

It is still mostly simple carbs. Simple carbs are the devil when it comes to diets.

 

[masta247]

Yeah it's not perfect, but you need to get carbs from somewhere and it's much better than getting them from soda. The amount of rice an average person eats with chicken will still be less than a can of coke, and those carbs are healthier, and come with iron, fiber etc.

If you want to drop weight I suppose any unnecessary carbs are bad for you. If you want to eat healthy and stay around maintanance with calories it's a good source of carbs.

A similar case with buckwheat - even more carbs but much more minerals and imho for a balanced diet it's very good. Actually it's much healthier than rice but I don't think it's as popular outside of Europe.

 

[Pittsey]

I am not looking to lose any weight. My diet is all about health.

 

[Chronic]

What is with the whole fish != meat??? Fish IS meat ffs. I once met a "vegetarian" who ate fish. Idiot.

Thanks, mister! It also tickles me in a negative way.

 

[Casey]

Why is seafood bad for you? I think it'd be much better than any other meat for you. I'm no expert, but I imagine it's pretty hard to pollute the ocean.

Almost every marine organism, from the tiniest plankton to whales and polar bears, is contaminated with man-made chemicals, such as pesticides and chemicals used in common consumer products.

Some of these chemicals enter the sea through deliberate dumping. For centuries, the oceans have been a convenient dumping ground for waste generated on land. This continued until the 1970s, with dumping at sea the accepted practise for disposal of nearly everything, including toxic material such as pesticides, chemical weapons, and radioactive waste.

http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/blue_planet/problems/pollution/

Dairy is the pits but I can't say no to cheese.

Yourofsky covers this in the video Coonie posted. It's the main reason why most vegetarians aren't vegan. Hell, it's why I wasn't vegan, before I became vegan. Humans are physically addicted to cheese, like a drug. Why? The digestion of casein (the main protein in dairy) breaks it into casomorphins. The distinguishing feature of casomorphins? Opiate-like effects.

When you consider that most people on a western diet are literally consuming dairy with EVERY meal - and even between meals - that's scary as shit. You might as well literally be popping morphine or codeine pills every day.

Biologically, this serves the purpose of keeping the calf close to the cow until it's fully developed. After all - that's the only real, natural purpose of milk - sustenance for baby cows.

 

[Jokerman]

Follow casomorphins on Twitter lol: https://twitter.com/casomorphins

 

[Da_Funk]

http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/blue_planet/problems/pollution/

Yourofsky covers this in the video Coonie posted. It's the main reason why most vegetarians aren't vegan. Hell, it's why I wasn't vegan, before I became vegan. Humans are physically addicted to cheese, like a drug. Why? The digestion of casein (the main protein in dairy) breaks it into casomorphins. The distinguishing feature of casomorphins? Opiate-like effects.

When you consider that most people on a western diet are literally consuming dairy with EVERY meal - and even between meals - that's scary as shit. You might as well literally be popping morphine or codeine pills every day.

Biologically, this serves the purpose of keeping the calf close to the cow until it's fully developed. After all - that's the only real, natural purpose of milk - sustenance for baby cows.

I know, our consumption of dairy scares me.

I have trouble buying the info in the link you posted. The ocean is so vast, and is the most efficient recycling system on our planet. I'd like to see the studies they use to base those statements on.

 

[Casey]

I have trouble buying the info in the link you posted. The ocean is so vast, and is the most efficient recycling system on our planet. I'd like to see the studies they use to base those statements on.

Sure, the ocean is vast, but that's not really important.

The important thing is the pollution is happening in the small percentage of the oceans where all the animals actually live. The increasing acidity of their habitats from pollution is destroying their ecosystems and literally turning these animals toxic.

You can't look at the vastness of the ocean and think that it'd be impossible to pollute. It's irrelevant. You have to look at the habitats of the marine life. And those habitats are being destroyed and poisoned by mankind.

 

[Da_Funk]

Sure, the ocean is vast, but that's not really important.

The important thing is the pollution is happening in the small percentage of the oceans where all the animals actually live. The increasing acidity of their habitats from pollution is destroying their ecosystems and literally turning these animals toxic.

You can't look at the vastness of the ocean and think that it'd be impossible to pollute. It's irrelevant. You have to look at the habitats of the marine life. And those habitats are being destroyed and poisoned by mankind.

It has everything to do with it. Next to maybe the atmosphere, the ocean is the best recycling system on this planet. So when something gets dumped in place A it doesn't stay there, ocean currents work their magic and that pollution gets distributed throughout the entire system. Meaning it gets diluted to ppb or less.

I'm no expert, but it wouldn't surprise me if much of that stuff is propaganda or studies being warped to fit someones agenda. I'd just like to see the studies and data these claims are based on. Something doesn't add up. Much the same as how man made global warming is a crock of shit.

 

[dilla]

It has everything to do with it. Next to maybe the atmosphere, the ocean is the best recycling system on this planet. So when something gets dumped in place A it doesn't stay there, ocean currents work their magic and that pollution gets distributed throughout the entire system. Meaning it gets diluted to ppb or less.

I'm no expert, but it wouldn't surprise me if much of that stuff is propaganda or studies being warped to fit someones agenda. I'd just like to see the studies and data these claims are based on. Something doesn't add up. Much the same as how man made global warming is a crock of shit.

You don't think the US, India, and China alone dumping their stuff into the ocean is enough to still fuck up the rest of the world through the oceans and seas it gets passed into? I got no scientific data, but that's a lot of trash over a period of decades.

You're a geologist so you may understand how the destruction of the ozone layer, amongst many other things, contributes to global warming, right? They say with this increase in heat on Earth, the water on this planet increases by one degree (Celsius, or Fahrenheit? I don't know). One degree means the world to the ocean as it allows more bacteria to thrive in the waters and fuck with more marine life. Also, increasing the temperature of the water DECREASES the solubility of oxygen in the water, which further devastates the fish.

That was just heat. UV rays from the sun are carcinogens. You don't think the tons of plastic (BPA, which is a carcinogen to humans and can be found in bottled water) in the ocean is toxic to the fish too? Even if we take out plastic, there are plenty of carcinogenic materials we throw away (batteries) that can find their way into the ocean and into the fish we eat.

I know the ocean is deep. If you stuck Mount Everest at the bottom of the trench, it would still be no where near the surface of the ocean. But the more shallower waters, which are closer to shore, it definitely gets "diluted" but not by as much as you might think. It can be just a mile off the coast, which is enough to affect fish that are just passing by and going to other places, only to be caught and consumed some time later.

Now I'm curious: what do you think the furthest a fish has ever swam from the point at which it was spawned? I mean, for a human to go from Spain to, say, West Russia on foot would take forever and a half and would be pretty tough as well. What about for a fish just off the coast of China? You think it'd make it as far as the West coast of Africa? Or Australia?