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S O F I

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Talking about controversial matters with people usually requires you to not be a dick. I think that's usually where the problem starts. You yearn for "understanding and compassion" and at the same time you think you know and understand people, yet you show the same lack of compassion you expect from others when you feel they're wrong or being ignorant.
Yeah, I get condescending and have somewhat of a low tolerance for what I perceive as ignorance. I'll definitely concede that. But I don't insult people on a personal level. I don't insult anyone's family and personal appearance. When I mentioned your weight, I didn't mean it as an insult, but it was an attempt to get you to understand the other side. But I don't mind insulting people's intelligence. Teachers do it all the time. We don't need to show compassion for people's views. But for their situations, yes.
 

S O F I

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But when it gets personal, about cars, money, lifestyle, etc., that's where I draw the line. Everyone puts theirs out there, but it's weird when it's dragged from one thread to another and used against you.
Yeah, I agree that stuff gets dragged from thread to thread. Who we are and where we come from shapes our realities and world views. It's fair game to make that assumption on an Internet message board. We all do it, too. Obviously, for strictly debate purposes, ad hominem attacks have low value but that's not what we're really doing here. I mentioned I didn't have a job a year ago and mentioned drug use and to you I'm an unemployed cokehead. Interesting.

Also, cars and money. That's not really personal. They do define you but if I mentioned a bimmer, I didn't call your mother a whore. Very different.
 

Pittsey

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Status isn't respect. If a woman loves you for the status and security, she doesn't love you for you. So again, not real love. You can't get the top of the pyramid from college courses. No one went to college and stopped being prejudiced. There's plenty of college educated who refuse facts. But the top of the pyramid shouldn't be looked at by everything mentioned inside it but what it represents - self-actualization. Self-actualization is basically the idea that you know who you are, you know yourself deep inside, you know your potential, and you accept yourself for it. Money can help but certainly not guarantee it.

I never heard of that guy. I googled him. He was a race car driver. What's not to love? lol
College was just an example of the self development that being rich affords you. You could visit every religious place on Earth. You could stay with Tibetan Monks. You could make a difference by giving time and money to charity.

What is loving you for you? Being rich is you. Is personality any more real than cash money?

I would love to romanticise it and say that love for money isn't real love. But over the years I have found that it isn't true. I'm not saying everyone is materialistic, it isn't a blanket rule I apply to everyone, but it is a majority rule.

And most people's glass houses are half empty.
You don't like cliches do you?

The different perspectives is what I come here for too, but I hate being labeled elitist because of my views..
I don't think you are elitist at all. There are a couple of people on here I consider to be elitist, although they are subtle about it, and maybe I am mistaken anyway... But... That isn't what I'd say about you. I also don't have any issues with your parents money, and hope no-one will have issues with my son's money. I earn a fair wage, and his mother's father is a multimillionaire, which he will probably inherit. But... I try and keep him grounded. I deplore racism or any prejudice. I will only spend money on what I consider beneficial to his development, and like a complete wanker, I only let him play on the PS3 or Xbox (which are mine not his) for an hour this weekend.

I don't think you have a pampered view of life. I think you have a young persons view of life. I was the same at your age. Which wasn't as long ago as people may think. If we went back and looked at my posts from 5 years ago, you'd probably see it. And my parents were very poor. Struggled to keep the house, poor. Like Ristol said, there are a lot of intelligent and mature people here, which is why I come here. I like my way of thinking to be challenged, and it is done often here. People might think it arrogant, looks at Casey's Veganism activism, but I love it.

Also.... SOFI has got very intelligent over the last couple of years.
 

S O F I

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College was just an example of the self development that being rich affords you. You could visit every religious place on Earth. You could stay with Tibetan Monks. You could make a difference by giving time and money to charity.

What is loving you for you? Being rich is you. Is personality any more real than cash money?

I would love to romanticise it and say that love for money isn't real love. But over the years I have found that it isn't true. I'm not saying everyone is materialistic, it isn't a blanket rule I apply to everyone, but it is a majority rule.
You have vastly more experience in that area but I would argue that loving you for you means accepting the person's flaws and who they are deep down as a person and not living with them because of a vision of who they may become. I guess, something more real and fundamental. My point isn't that it's not possible, my point is that it's hard to know if it's genuine when you have a lot of money. I mean, the majority of women want security. Money is security. Sure, women like nice things, but a lot of them just want to know that their kids can afford a nice education, etc. So I don't think that's really materialistic. But that can't be the sole reason. But if there's more to it than that, I really hope that doesn't mean it's too far-fetched and romantic haha.

Perhaps I'm naive to think that people really care a lot about the motives of the people around them. Now that I think about it, I've known plenty people over the years who I'm pretty sure knew they were being used for what they had and didn't care too much about it.

When I see old rich guys with young girls, I don't think the old rich guy is naive, thinking that the girl really loves him. I see a guy who knows he's going to die soon, wishing to be in the company of a young girl who makes him feel young and virile (with viagra help). It's like that French movie (I highly recommend it), The Intouchables. The guy just doesn't want to be reminded of his situation and pampered, but treated as a normal functioning human being.
 

S O F I

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Also, I don't think Coonie is elitist or pampered. Now, this goes for everybody, but I think the roots of his views and perspectives regarding people of a different socio-economic background can be found in his upbringing and how he experienced the world. While youth plays a role, age alone doesn't account for it, I don't think. But fuck, I don't want to delve into this because Masta already mockingly labeled me as that guy who thinks he's got people figured out lol. I used to do this with saltynuts and he hated it. So I won't go further. Don't make me.
 

Flipmo

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I think, like everything in life, finding a balance is ideal. There are a lot of filthy rich individuals that come home at the end of the day and the lavish lifestyle is the last thing on their mind; family, close friends and that connection/bond is what comes first. Then again, for some it's the polar opposite where money is the prime motive and desire. While I personally don't believe money can buy everything - if someone were to ask me would I rather be rich or poor, I'd obviously say give me all the money in a brown paper bag. I don't think money can buy you happiness, but I think it sure can help you find it.

Nobody wants to struggle, nobody wants to live paycheck to paycheck, nobody wants to stay up in the middle of the night sweating to the idea of paying your electricity bill, or wondering how you're going to pay for your child's university. Money offers the chance to eliminate that worry and refocus your priorities. The problems is for a lot of people is that their priorities end up being in the wrong place. This stop-watch is a prime example of that....
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Yeah, well, you can't hate on someone for their views as a result of their upbringing and their environment. It's like you understand where it comes from but you won't let that person gradually work his way through it all to get to your level. Especially if it's age related. It takes time the way it took you time.
 

masta247

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This board is getting old.

The Intouchables.
Saw it a few weeks ago and I can honestly say that it's the first French movie that I genuinely liked.

Yeah, now you can get back to discussing.. stuff. Or give yourselves a hug. I love you guys too.
 

S O F I

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To Masta:

You obviously haven't seen many French films. They make excellent films. Have you seen La Haine (Hate)? Easily one of the best films of the 90s. But it's not an easy film to love like a charming feel-good comedy. It's a drama.
 

S O F I

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Irreversible?!?!?!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673/

Great film for Monica Bellucci alone. But I am also a huge Cassel fan. The coolest Frenchman alive.
A 15 minute rape scene does not become a great film.

To be honest, it might be a really good film and most ratings would suggests so. But I tend to stay away from films that purposefully try to shock and awe. Don't be controversial for the sake of being controversial is how I see it.
 

masta247

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To Masta:

You obviously haven't seen many French films. They make excellent films. Have you seen La Haine (Hate)? Easily one of the best films of the 90s. But it's not an easy film to love like a charming feel-good comedy. It's a drama.
Well yes, in fact I've never watched a lot of TV or movies and I suppose after being fed things like Amelie and Le Gendarme de Saint-Tropez I decided that I don't want to see more of the French cinema. Thought that it's unfunny and uninspiring.

A friend of mine is a journalist and told me that this movie is good and I should watch it, so I went there with her and yeah, turned out to be good. I won't mind French movies anymore. Unless it's a poor romantic "comedy", because I know that they have a lot of those too.
 

Pittsey

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A 15 minute rape scene does not become a great film.

To be honest, it might be a really good film and most ratings would suggests so. But I tend to stay away from films that purposefully try to shock and awe. Don't be controversial for the sake of being controversial is how I see it.
I agree. That's why I never watched "A Serbian Film". But any film which has Cassel and (in my opnion) the most beautiful women who has ever lived, I am watching it.

Which is why I watched Mesrine. For Cassel alone.

Or 22 Bullets.... Although it wasn't great. It had Jean Reno.
 

Flipmo

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The French make amazing flicks, I love their comedies. I speak French so maybe it gives me a bit of edge with the comedic timing, but films like "Le Pari", "Tais-Toi" and "Dinner de Cons (classic)" are amazing. Even the original Bird's Cage ("La Cage Au Folle") is hilarious. The English make good films as well, as do the Germans ("Goodbye Lenin", "The White Ribbon", "Downfall" and "The Lives of Others (especially this one)... just to name a few).
 

S O F I

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I agree. That's why I never watched "A Serbian Film". But any film which has Cassel and (in my opnion) the most beautiful women who has ever lived, I am watching it.

Which is why I watched Mesrine. For Cassel alone.

Or 22 Bullets.... Although it wasn't great. It had Jean Reno.
Yeah, I haven't seen A Serbian Film and don't plan to. But Cassel, he's amazing. Have you seen A Prophet? Cassel isn't in it but it's a very good film.

Also, it's safe to say, pretty much every country makes great films. It's a shame people don't watch films because of subtitles. It's the dumbest thing I hear.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
A 15 minute rape scene does not become a great film.

To be honest, it might be a really good film and most ratings would suggests so. But I tend to stay away from films that purposefully try to shock and awe. Don't be controversial for the sake of being controversial is how I see it.
Stay away from Antichrist with Wil Defoe.
 

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