Ryan Dunn of Jackass killed in Car Crash

[ArtsyGirl]

It was a country road in the middle of no where, so it is an over reaction to say he many endangered lives.

Where he died was on a country road in the middle of no where. Where was the pub he was drinking at? I'm assuming it was in a town of some sort, higher population - busier roads. He was excessively drunk, so his endangering life began the moment he started driving.

I do hope it gives some fans a reality check, for those that need it.

 

[Prize Gotti]

/\ Too bad that's not true. My old man is a coroner. There is a higher level of detail in the later reports, yes. But blood alcohol level is one of the more simple things to get determined and can be done within 24-36 hours.

Anyway, that's moot, unless you want to refute this:

Still don't believe it? Here's the document then:

.196 is the equivilant of 3 drinks. Do you get drunk off 3 drinks Casey? If you do, i'd recheck how British you are. And despite what you are saying, the courts are ordering another toxicology test because his remains were so badly burnt that it was impossible to get an accurate reading, thats why they were saying 3-4 weeks for results as they have fuck all to work with.

But any way, like I said, none of you can read. I've made it quite clear my posts have had nothing to do with Dunns actions. Im critizing YOUR actions.

A man dies, a man loved by many people, and you faggots come up in here on your high horses and pass judgement on others based on hear-say. None of you have the right, or will ever have the right to judge other people based on what you think you know.

Why not take a moment before spouting your uneducated opinions, stop pointing your fingers at a dead person and think about WHY it happened.

Why did it happen? Because American law goes easy on drink drivers, theres no real fear of loss for a DUI. Most states you'll get a fine, probably banned a couple of months and then you're back on the road to continue being a danger. Like I said, its all most if it is acceptable to get a DUI.

What can you do to fix this? Toughen your laws. Instead of blaming the individuals involved, tell your government that its their fault that things like this happen, if they ran stricter laws on drink driving, you can reduce the chances of it happening in the future.

Is that such a hard thing to do? Or do you prefer to avoid doing something constructive and continuing slowing down the evolution of the human race?

Its common practice in this modern world to blame people. Ya'll blame Osama Bin Laden for 9/11. Why not blame the C.I.A. for training Osama and his men, providing them with money and weapons and creating Al Queda? Oh thats right, its easier to blame some one else than fix the problem at home.

 

[Pittsey]

Where he died was on a country road in the middle of no where. Where was the pub he was drinking at? I'm assuming it was in a town of some sort, higher population - busier roads. He was excessively drunk, so his endangering life began the moment he started driving.

I do hope it gives some fans a reality check, for those that need it.

I agree with you. Although he didn't start out doing 130mph from the pub. But, he was still drunk.

I am not a huge fan. But even if it was Kurt Cobain, Tupac or Anthony Kiedis.... I wouldn't be defending them. I am just trying to give it perspective.

 

[Sebastian]

.196 is the equivilant of 3 drinks. Do you get drunk off 3 drinks Casey? If you do, i'd recheck how British you are. And despite what you are saying, the courts are ordering another toxicology test because his remains were so badly burnt that it was impossible to get an accurate reading, thats why they were saying 3-4 weeks for results as they have fuck all to work with.

But any way, like I said, none of you can read. I've made it quite clear my posts have had nothing to do with Dunns actions. Im critizing YOUR actions.

A man dies, a man loved by many people, and you faggots come up in here on your high horses and pass judgement on others based on hear-say. None of you have the right, or will ever have the right to judge other people based on what you think you know.

Why not take a moment before spouting your uneducated opinions, stop pointing your fingers at a dead person and think about WHY it happened.

Why did it happen? Because American law goes easy on drink drivers, theres no real fear of loss for a DUI. Most states you'll get a fine, probably banned a couple of months and then you're back on the road to continue being a danger. Like I said, its all most if it is acceptable to get a DUI.

What can you do to fix this? Toughen your laws. Instead of blaming the individuals involved, tell your government that its their fault that things like this happen, if they ran stricter laws on drink driving, you can reduce the chances of it happening in the future.

Is that such a hard thing to do? Or do you prefer to avoid doing something constructive and continuing slowing down the evolution of the human race?

Its common practice in this modern world to blame people. Ya'll blame Osama Bin Laden for 9/11. Why not blame the C.I.A. for training Osama and his men, providing them with money and weapons and creating Al Queda? Oh thats right, its easier to blame some one else than fix the problem at home.

You need to shut up.

You make an even bigger idiot out of yourself with every further post.

Its not rocket science really. I tell you why it happened: because this guy is - oh sorry, was - a fucking dumbass who was drinking and speeding (again)! Plain and simple.

The author of the article Ristol posted said it best.

 

[Pittsey]

People make mistakes. Although in Ryan Dunn's case he had made 23 previously and not learned from them.

 

[Casey]

.196 is the equivilant of 3 drinks. Do you get drunk off 3 drinks Casey? If you do, i'd recheck how British you are. And despite what you are saying, the courts are ordering another toxicology test because his remains were so badly burnt that it was impossible to get an accurate reading, thats why they were saying 3-4 weeks for results as they have fuck all to work with.

The law is the law for a reason. Different people have different tolerance levels depending on many things, including ethnic background and BMI. The limit is based on an average. Exactly how drunk the individual is, is not relevant when it comes to the law.

Witnesses have stated that he had at least three beers and 3 shots. Yeah, I'd be more than a little buzzed from that and certainly enough to act recklessly - particularly if i'm not alone. Also, what you claim is bogus for anyone that has insight. Yes, FULL autopsy reports take a few weeks. But as I said, the BAC can be done within a very short space of time. I've seen reports of cases my old man has dealt with where they have been explosions in factories, and the bodies have been FAR more burned than is even possible in a car crash. Unless a car crashed into a giant oil tanker.

It's accurate enough for the Chief of Police to release the information, but it's not good enough for you? Do you think the final report is going to be any different, and that in a miraculous twist of fate, both the BAC already determined, and the witnesses at the bar were all wrong?

But any way, like I said, none of you can read. I've made it quite clear my posts have had nothing to do with Dunns actions. Im critizing YOUR actions.

A man dies, a man loved by many people, and you faggots come up in here on your high horses and pass judgement on others based on hear-say. None of you have the right, or will ever have the right to judge other people based on what you think you know.

I'm certainly not on a high horse, and it doesn't matter if the person in question is Gandhi or Hitler. The fact remains that there's two highly irresponsible things that happened here - going at nearly 80 miles over the speed limit... and driving while over the legal limit. Being reckless with your own health is one thing, putting others at risk is a whole different argument.... and that shit don't fly.

Why not take a moment before spouting your uneducated opinions, stop pointing your fingers at a dead person and think about WHY it happened.

Why did it happen? Because American law goes easy on drink drivers, theres no real fear of loss for a DUI. Most states you'll get a fine, probably banned a couple of months and then you're back on the road to continue being a danger. Like I said, its all most if it is acceptable to get a DUI.

What can you do to fix this? Toughen your laws. Instead of blaming the individuals involved, tell your government that its their fault that things like this happen, if they ran stricter laws on drink driving, you can reduce the chances of it happening in the future.

Is that such a hard thing to do? Or do you prefer to avoid doing something constructive and continuing slowing down the evolution of the human race?

Its common practice in this modern world to blame people. Ya'll blame Osama Bin Laden for 9/11. Why not blame the C.I.A. for training Osama and his men, providing them with money and weapons and creating Al Queda? Oh thats right, its easier to blame some one else than fix the problem at home.

But that's exactly what YOU'RE doing. You are blaming the irresponsible behaviour of an individual on a society that allowed him to be that way. Do you also blame the government for repeated sex offenders and serial killers? The government is not infallible, it's not some omnipotent Orwellian figure that sees and knows everything. The law is designed to work for the majority. Drunk driving laws are designed for the majority who are good people that may make a mistake every now and then, LEARN from that mistake and not do it again. Not someone with the disposition of Dunn who LITERALLY made his living through recklessness. Or should we blame MTV for that one?

As for harsher laws, there's another flaw in your argument right here. You said "American law goes easy on drink drivers", but you should know that the law varies from state to state. I'll point out at this juncture, that someone we're all familiar with, and someone who I knew personally (Johnny J) - was in jail for a DUI charge when he was murdered, and he had been there for at LEAST 4 months if not longer.

Unfortunately despite harsher penalties, the statistics show that deaths by drink driving in California are only marginally lower than Pennsylvania, indicating that the solution is not dramatically harsher laws.

The solution is education and more monitoring, more speed cameras and such. Perhaps public drinking places could implement a barrier system like in car parks, except that you'd need to pass a breathalyzer test to be allowed out of the car park. That sort of thing. In the future, I imagine that cars themselves will have inbuilt breathalyzers that simply won't function if you're over the limit.

I have compassion for Dunn and his friends and family, but there's nobody else to blame here, and the remote location and late time don't negate the fact that his irresponsible behaviour not only killed him - but his passenger too.

 

[Pittsey]

Unfortunately despite harsher penalties, the statistics show that deaths by drink driving in California are only marginally lower than Pennsylvania, indicating that the solution is not dramatically harsher laws.

The penalties in the UK are harsher though. And the drink drive deaths here are lower, and our roads are far more congested.

Although I am open to the argument that there is more of a stigma here, than in America.

 

[Casey]

The penalties in the UK are harsher though. And the drink drive deaths here are lower, and our roads are far more congested.

Although I am open to the argument that there is more of a stigma here, than in America.

Are the penalties harsher? The people I know who have been caught drink driving, is they've gotten banned for however long, even on their second and third offences.

Johnny was sent to jail for at least a 6 month sentence simply for driving under the influence in Cali.

 

[stefanwzyga]

R.I.P to the guy, he made a mistake, it's easy done, i drink drive all the time.

 

[Pittsey]

Are the penalties harsher? The people I know who have been caught drink driving, is they've gotten banned for however long, even on their second and third offences.

Johnny was sent to jail for at least a 6 month sentence simply for driving under the influence in Cali.

Well something is being done right in the UK as the mortality rate for drink driving is pretty low. Maybe it's because the majority of us are law abiding.

 

[Casey]

Well something is being done right in the UK as the mortality rate for drink driving is pretty low. Maybe it's because the majority of us are law abiding.

My point. It's not about harsher sentences. We have more speed cameras and more education on the issue, I think.

 

[Flipmo]

You should see the laws here in Quebec when it comes to drinking and driving, we're all nuts. lol. It's probably has to do with the drinking culture here. Keep in mind, when prohibition hit, the province of Quebec was the only place in North America that refuse to go along with it. It made a shit load of people in the United-States rich. lol.

 

[Pittsey]

You should see the laws here in Quebec when it comes to drinking and driving, we're all nuts. lol. It's probably has to do with the drinking culture here. Keep in mind, when prohibition hit, the province of Quebec was the only place in North America that refuse to go along with it. It made a shit load of people in the United-States rich. lol.

In every country I have been to, and admittedly I haven't been to Canada, the English drink way more than anyone. Binge drinking doesn't exist anywhere like Britain. Here, people drink until they pass out, which could be the reason why most people don't drink and drive. They have passed out.

 

[Flipmo]

I'm pretty sure you're right about Britain. I was just saying for the North American standard, people here are a level above. Not to mention it's the only place in North America that once you hit 18, you can drink.

 

[Pittsey]

I'm pretty sure you're right about Britain. I was just saying for the North American standard, people here are a level above. Not to mention it's the only place in North America that once you hit 18, you can drink.

What is the death toll for drink driving like in Canada? More or less than the USA?

 

[Prize Gotti]

My point. It's not about harsher sentences. We have more speed cameras and more education on the issue, I think.

Casey wtf. You're disagreeing with me by agreeing with me. In you're last few posts you've made comments, you've supported my argument. But I still disagree with the quoted statement.

Here: "I better not take the car, fuck loosing my license for 3 years"
America: "Ah Ill be ok, its only a few blocks, even if I get caught its just a fine, maybe a couple of month with a suspended license"

Who's more likely to kill some one that night?

How can you disagree with me that is better to do something constructive than it is to criticize?

And Seb, you agree that is OK to get a DUI in America, because the system and law don't suggest otherwise? Yeah...ok...that makes sense.

With real education and discipline, you prevent things like this from happening. You really can't see that as part of the solution?

Its not rocket science really.

 

[Flipmo]

What is the death toll for drink driving like in Canada? More or less than the USA?

Some of the last stats I've seen was those of 2008. I think it was something around 13 000 in the USA, and a bit under 4000 in Canada. Keep in mind the huge population difference though... 30 million in contrast to 100+ million.

 

[Ristol]

.196 is the equivilant of 3 drinks.

Wanna try that again?

http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html

 

[Pittsey]

Some of the last stats I've seen was those of 2008. I think it was something around 13 000 in the USA, and a bit under 4000 in Canada. Keep in mind the huge population difference though... 30 million in contrast to 100+ million.

That's very high compared to the UK. We have a population of 60 Million and about 350 deaths a year.

Wanna try that again?

http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html

My aim is 0.4.

 

[Sebastian]

And Seb, you agree that is OK to get a DUI in America, because the system and law don't suggest otherwise? Yeah...ok...that makes sense.

I never said anything regarding this matter. I dont know how this is a response to anything i have said.

Look, its common sense not not drive when youve had some drinks. I bet he was mentally able to get that. Obviously, however, he didnt care about it or the possible concequences. Thats it. Nothing more you have to think about or analyze.

Fuck anyone whos putting other lives in danger just because they cant see how valuable life itself is (at least for most of us) and want to act irresponsibly and shit. Like this stefanwzyga guy.

With real education and discipline, you prevent things like this from happening. You really can't see that as part of the solution?

Again, i dont know why you are over-analyzing everything. There will always be idiots out there in this world. No matter how good the educational system might be. First thing you do is look at the individual and ask yourself: is this guy to blame for his actions? And the answer in this case is - again - simple.