Ryan Dunn of Jackass killed in Car Crash

[ArtsyGirl]

It's different because the Footballer's intent is to play within the rules of the game. In most cases trains to be as safe as possible. They are in complete control of themselves. There are umpires and 3rd party people responsible for keeping it safe. If someone goes outside of the rules of the game they get punished, ejected, suspension fines etc.
The person who drives drunk is relying on their super power abilities to control a vehicle while their reflexes are impaired, their vision is impaired and are not clear headed. They are in an environment where there is no predictability.
If your point is that sports are dangerous I think that's a different argument.

Saying that RD was not responsible for his actions, and that we as a society are because we allowed him to make a living off doing stupid pranks is ridiculous. It is concerning that we can create such interest in seeing grown men put toy cars up their arse that they can make such a good living off it, but it's not to blame for making him do this.

Ryan Dunn is to blame for this, its harsh but true. He chose to drive drunk. As simple as that.

 

[Synful*Luv]

It's different because the Footballer's intent is to play within the rules of the game. In most cases trains to be as safe as possible. They are in complete control of themselves. There are umpires and 3rd party people responsible for keeping it safe. If someone goes outside of the rules of the game they get punished, ejected, suspension fines etc.
The person who drives drunk is relying on their super power abilities to control a vehicle while their reflexes are impaired, their vision is impaired and are not clear headed. They are in an environment where there is no predictability.
If your point is that sports are dangerous I think that's a different argument.

Saying that RD was not responsible for his actions, and that we as a society are because we allowed him to make a living off doing stupid pranks is ridiculous. It is concerning that we can create such interest in seeing grown men put toy cars up their arse that they can make such a good living off it, but it's not to blame for making him do this.

Ryan Dunn is to blame for this, its harsh but true. He chose to drive drunk. As simple as that.

Yay! A good argument! LOL

No though, I didn't say that Ryan Dunn wasn't responsible for his actions. Of course he is.

I'm not arguing that sports are dangerous for the sake of saying sports are dangerous. I was just using an example of something else that's risky that people are okay with. Although I do really like the points you made (trying to be safe, playing within the rules of the game, etc) you also bring up a lot of things that are speculation based with no definite way of knowing. We don't know that someone playing hockey has no intention of hurting his opponent. We don't know that Ryan Dunn wanted to just do something "cool" and didn't honestly think he could safely make it home. If he thought he'd be able to make it home without hurting anyone.. then is that the difference?? I think most people who drink and drive think they're fine to drive. I don't think that they're thinking along the lines of "oh, i may hurt someone or myself but I don't care. I want to drive anyway." Again, speculation as I have no way of knowing that. Maybe people do drink and drive with the intent to harm others. *shrug*

It is weird, in a way.. that we did allow a couple of crazy people to become famous and rich for doing the silliest things. I can't say anything because as I said.. I was a fan of the Jackass series. But what's even more peculiar to me is that way people are so quick to judge and condemn others. I'm just saying that society is a HUGE enabler and then when something happens that we don't like.. we tend to turn our backs on the same people we adored two seconds ago and get all uppity and judgmental. I'm just curious where that line is drawn. (Obviously, i'm generalizing.) It was the same thing with Heath Ledger.. everyone loved him. He overdosed. Everyone hated him and the comments were similar "I don't care he's dead. He deserved to die." It's odd to me. And i'm just curious as to what the line is for who "deserves" our sympathy or not. What makes a death not worthy of our sympathy? Which is why I brought up sports.. they're risky behavior yet we feel bad for someone who dies whilst playing. So.. it's not the fact that the activity is risky? Then what is it? The fact that one activity is legal and one isn't? Which just goes back to social control. We've been constantly told that drinking and driving is bad and it's permeated our brains to the point that we can callously write off a human life as unimportant if they died by an accident while driving if they had also been drinking. I know for some it may be personal (perhaps they know someone who was killed by a drunk driver). But for most, I'm curious where the anger and disgust is coming from.

Again, none of this is sarcasm.. just enjoying conversation.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

If he thought he'd be able to make it home without hurting anyone.. then is that the difference?? I think most people who drink and drive think they're fine to drive. I don't think that they're thinking along the lines of "oh, i may hurt someone or myself but I don't care. I want to drive anyway." Again, speculation as I have no way of knowing that. Maybe people do drink and drive with the intent to harm others. *shrug*

I guess my point is that one is in complete control of themselves and the other isn't. Everybody knows alcohol reduces your reaction time, and those who do drink and drive know this too. They just think they are better than most people. It's still an option to put themselves and everyone else at risk.
If a sports person purposely sets out to hurt/injure someone that isn't part of the game, then that's wrong. And in most cases there is a consequence, and I'm sure if it's serious enough they would also have legal problems. And in that case then I do think there would be just as much anger towards that. If it's done as part of the game everyone participating understands the risks, other people driving on the road don't know if there is a guy driving 2 1/2 times over the limit.

It was the same thing with Heath Ledger.. everyone loved him. He overdosed. Everyone hated him and the comments were similar "I don't care he's dead. He deserved to die." It's odd to me. And i'm just curious as to what the line is for who "deserves" our sympathy or not. What makes a death not worthy of our sympathy?

We've been constantly told that drinking and driving is bad and it's permeated our brains to the point that we can callously write off a human life as unimportant if they died by an accident while driving if they had also been drinking. I know for some it may be personal (perhaps they know someone who was killed by a drunk driver). But for most, I'm curious where the anger and disgust is coming from.

Again, none of this is sarcasm.. just enjoying conversation.

To me Heath Ledger is different. Not to go too far off topic but for all we know he took legal contraindicated pharmaceutical medication that he was unaware of the risks or the fact they were contraindicated. Also even if he did, he wasn't putting anyone else in harms way.

I think in death there is always sympathy for someone. Even serial killers, in their case for the families. The problem I have is when people water down the severity of what that person did. If we don't judge it in some way and be vocal about how irresponsible it was then eventually it will lead to people thinking its ok. To me if you are under the influence and you are driving and crash that is not an accident, you were asking for it the moment you got behind the wheel. Accidents are when you had no control, what RD did was a MISTAKE. A premeditated mistake. You can't be 2 1/2 times over the speed limit and think your ok to drive.

It's good to have a conversation without it getting personal

 

[Sebastian]

The difference is this:

Drink driving is unacceptable because it threatens other peoples life without them having any opportunity to avoid it.

People who play football know the risk of doing so. Its their choice if they wanna take it or not. Someone who is driving back home to his family is doing nothing out of the ordinary and still he might get hit by another persons car who decided to drive it while being intoxicated. Fuck him.

 

[Casey]

/\ That.

 

[Synful*Luv]

The difference is this:

Drink driving is unacceptable because it threatens other peoples life without them having any opportunity to avoid it.

People who play football know the risk of doing so. Its their choice if they wanna take it or not. Someone who is driving back home to his family is doing nothing out of the ordinary and still he might get hit by another persons car who decided to drive it while being intoxicated. Fuck him.

Completely true. I thought of it after my second posting but then wasn't around to reply. Either way.. thanks for responding to my random questions lol