Technology Buying new PC in parts

Preach

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#1
Gonna be buying a new PC soon. I will be using it for audio editing, playing games, and watching HD video. And just for the fuck of it and because I got some money coming in, I'm going to get something that'll last me a while. I got a few questions, from general to very specific. Any thoughts on any of these matters could be helpful.

I am going for the 1155 socket, because that's the most recent one and I might be able to upgrade the CPU in the future without problem. Most other sockets are being phased out, and the new high-end Intel socket isn't being released till later this year. I'm not waiting that long so I landed on the 1155 socket. Technologically, it seems fine compared to 1366 (which is the one that will be phased out and replaced later this year, but is considered the high-end socket). What about the P67/H67 motherboard chipset vs. the newly released Z68 chipset? The new Z68 chipset seems to primarily benefit low end systems that have onboard graphics. Any reason I should go for a Z68 motherboard? So far I've landed on the Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD5-B3 which seems to be a pretty high-end motherboard at an affordable price.

For the processor, I'm getting the Intel i7 2600K with an unlocked multiplier. Fastest processor for the 1155 socket. I don't want any feedback on that, I just wanna say :D

Going for an SSD harddrive as a system drive, with 2x 2TB drives in RAID as a storage drive for things I never want to lose, then I will be getting an external harddrive case for regular sata-drives some time later. Out of all the various SSDs I've landed on OCZ's Vertex 3 series. I read a bit about Intel's 510 series, and heard about a new line of Corsair SSDs that are supposed to be pretty fast, but the OCZ drives do good in the reviews. Thoughts?

For my sound setup, I'm not sure what to do. The age of 24 bit sound cards is over unless you're building a studio computer. I might be hooking a USB keyboard up to this machine but that's as far as I/O requirements go for my sound editing. That's why I'm considering a setup with a DAC, a headphone pre-amp, and a pair of Sennheiser 750s or something. Thoughts on how to get good sound for music listening and a bit of "audio mixing" within the $1000-1200 range? And while we are at it, how do you make the euro sign on a standard keyboard?

RAM is almost free so I'm getting 12-16GB cause I can. The last piece of hardware I'm unsure about is the video card. I think I'm going nVidia. The GTX 570 series seems nice. I think the 580 and 590 are for the gaming enthusiasts. I'll play games so I want a good video card, but it's not my primary concern so I'm willing to compromise. For the 570 series, EVGA have a version of the card that's clocked from stock with, I think it was 8 years warranty. There are so many manufacturers of the cards though, they all have various differences in cooling and such. Any input from someone who know?

For the case I'm getting a Lian Li PC-A05NB. It's a Mini tower, but with the chassis of a Micro ATX. Which is pretty baller. The link is to the manufacturers website.


I will be modding the case by drilling a hole at the back of the top. The case has an air intake in the back, and an air outtake in the front. Both with 120mm fans. As you see on the picture, the front cover has lets the air out on the sides. The power supply is mounted at the bottom front of the case, with the motherboard at the back, putting the PCI slots on top of the back of it. The idea is to get another 120mm fan on the top cover for two air intakes. One to blow cold air into the CPU cooler (which will be the largest and best of them all atm, the Noctua DH-14 - a beast of a cooler) and another to blow cold air into the video card air intake. I'm not gonna go for watercooling because open solutions are way too expensive, and things like the H70 from Corsair makes bubble sounds like a waterbong. I'm replacing the standard fans with more silent ones. I'm getting a lot of various sound isolating and cooling things for mounting the harddrives, etc. The case already comes with a lot of sound isolation and sound reducting gadgets like screws with rubber suspension, clips, etc. I'm getting a modular power supply so I'm not forced to leave all the power cables I don't use hanging inside the case, blocking the air flow. I'm getting filters for the air intakes to minimize dust that gets into the computer. I'm getting sound isolating mats to put inside the case. I want to use this PC when I mix audio, so I need it to be powerful and quiet, and I like the idea that it could sit in the living room. I'm also getting a fan controller so I can turn down all the fans when I use it for simply watching a movie. The last bit I want feedback on is the cooling solution. I know if you have more fans sucking air out of the case than into it, you can end up with a lot of sound, like a vacuumer. That's why I'm using two intakes and one outtake. I'm getting a filter finish for the top fan I need to drill a hole for, to preserve the nice finish of the case. I found a fan filter/grill that's perfect.

Last but not least, I'm gonna try a Filco Tenkeyless keyboard. It's a mechanical keyboard that got great reviews. I'm getting the brown switch.



Masta? :)
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#3
Wow that was long and I'm kind of busy lately but I'll give you a short response with most important comments :p
The first thing that comes to my mind is "do you really need it? It's expensive as hell and will lose half of its value within a year" but it looks like you know exactly what you want and you have your reasons. Just things that I would think about if I were you:
2x 2TB drives in RAID as a storage drive for things I never want to lose
It's not the safest way, you know. I suppose that you mean RAID0. That means that the risk of losing all of your data is about twice as big as with a single hard drive. One fails = you lose all data. You'll want to partition that anyway so if I were you I'd buy 2 separate fast HDDs. Since there are no fast 2TB Samsungs (they have the best 1TB drives though, the HD103SJ which is one of the fastest and safest HDDs all around) you'd be forced to buy WD or Seagate if you wanted 2TBs and I'm not an expert on them except for the fact that I'd rather get a Samsung. Just don't go for any of those 'green eco drives' because they are slooow, and if it comes to 2TB drives it's harder to get a fast one.

Personally I think that SSD drives are still too expensive for what they offer but you might store only system and essential, demanding audio/video software there, so you don't need a very huge one. Technically top-notch HDDs are still faster for operations on little amounts of huge files and are extremely cheap, SDDs are much faster when you copy a lot of small files or use programs that rely on drive's response time but they come at very high cost.

Is the case not too small?

GTX 570 is a good enough graphics card that will launch almost any game on highest details up to full HD. You're right that there's no point to buy GTX 580 or 590 at the moment unless you're a video-game psycho. If you can handle building your PC by yourself you'll be able to replace your GPU when you'll start needing more and chances are that next year a mid-high end GPUs will be 50% or so faster than this year's fastest ones so buying them now is economically-speaking - stupid.
With a PC like this I suppose you'd like it to be quite silent so buy a decent cooling for your CPU (the box one might get annoying) and preferably a Gigabyte/MSI version of GTX 570. They both have overclocked versions of that card and in my book they are the best graphic card companies for Nvidia GPUs lately. However beware of cheap versions with stock-like cooling!
I'd go for one of these:
http://www.dvhardware.net/article47735.html
http://www.guru3d.com/news/msi-geforce-gtx-570-and-580-twin-frozr-ii/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570_Direct_Cu_II/4.html
All of them will be cooler and more quiet than the stock version and probably more quiet than any other versions. The Asus one is huge though, it'll take 3 pci-e slots but it's excellent so if the size doesn't bother you and it'll fit the case I'd definitely go for it.

Oh yeah, the power supply unit is the most important part of your set. There are different models on different markets so I can't help you here but be sure to buy a great one, with powerful 12V lines - it's more important than the total wattage! Oh but a decent reserve of power is needed too. Just read reviews on local geek forums.

The Keyboard is extremely expensive - for half of that price you could get a freaking cordless,low-profile, aluminium Solar-powered Logitech. Why? :p

How about a display? Are you buying one?
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#4
Not use RAID5, no?

I have a 8TB server using RAID 5. But I also back up all my data on external HD's too.


And an SSD for your OS is a good idea. Quick boot, quick read. Maybe even stick a couple of your most used programs on the ssd.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#6
^^

Good point.


Preach that PC is overkill, but if you want to go high range. Fair play.

My PC is a Dual core AMD Phenom Black 3GHZ. 4 gig of ram. 512mb of graphics. It is perfect for the internet, football manager and anything I use it for. Cost me about £100 2 years ago. Boots in 30 seconds from when I press the power button until I can get on the net. Not thinking of upgrading. Does all I need it to.
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#8
It's not the safest way, you know. I suppose that you mean RAID0. That means that the risk of losing all of your data is about twice as big as with a single hard drive. One fails = you lose all data. You'll want to partition that anyway so if I were you I'd buy 2 separate fast HDDs. Since there are no fast 2TB Samsungs (they have the best 1TB drives though, the HD103SJ which is one of the fastest and safest HDDs all around) you'd be forced to buy WD or Seagate if you wanted 2TBs and I'm not an expert on them except for the fact that I'd rather get a Samsung. Just don't go for any of those 'green eco drives' because they are slooow, and if it comes to 2TB drives it's harder to get a fast one.
I'll be honest, I realize from doing a bit of research after your post that I'm not really sure. I think I meant RAID1. Basically, sacrificing one drive to mirror the other. I had intended to go for two WD Black 2TB. Reason being I'll have three available 3,5" slots. I'll be running an SSD, and two more harddrives. Either mirroring one another, or as two separate harddrives maybe. It's just because I use a lot of space, and I prefer internal drives to external ones. But like I said, I'll be getting an external harddrive case for 2 or 4 SATA drives. I've looked at one from Lian Li, the same manufacturer as the case for the computer itself. That's why I don't mind sacrificing one harddrive. But I'll need to look further into RAID before I make up my mind. I'll definitely keep your advice in mind. Maybe I end up going for two of those Samsungs you mentioned instead.

Personally I think that SSD drives are still too expensive for what they offer but you might store only system and essential, demanding audio/video software there, so you don't need a very huge one. Technically top-notch HDDs are still faster for operations on little amounts of huge files and are extremely cheap, SDDs are much faster when you copy a lot of small files or use programs that rely on drive's response time but they come at very high cost.
I am getting a 120GB OCZ Vertex 3. The 240GB version is a Guru3d top pick. It's a sick SSD for an affordable price. I'll run Windows, system apps, Reason, and maybe a few more apps and games off of it.

Is the case not too small?
I guess you can call it a concept case because it's build to be more the size of a Micro ATX but to still have excellent space for standard ATX. I've looked up the various setups and I've seen people do crazy stuff with it. Picking a motherboard with the PCI slots in the right places really helps, but I've put thought into that as well. Really, the "extra" space in the smaller case comes from having less 3,5" and 5,25" bays. Two of the latter, four of the former where only one is external. No 2,5" slots. The powersupply is fitted below all the expansion bays, leaving the rest of the case for the motherboard itself. It's pretty cool actually.

If you can handle building your PC by yourself you'll be able to replace your GPU when you'll start needing more and chances are that next year a mid-high end GPUs will be 50% or so faster than this year's fastest ones so buying them now is economically-speaking - stupid.
With a PC like this I suppose you'd like it to be quite silent so buy a decent cooling for your CPU (the box one might get annoying) and preferably a Gigabyte/MSI version of GTX 570. They both have overclocked versions of that card and in my book they are the best graphic card companies for Nvidia GPUs lately. However beware of cheap versions with stock-like cooling!
I'd go for one of these:
http://www.dvhardware.net/article47735.html
http://www.guru3d.com/news/msi-geforce-gtx-570-and-580-twin-frozr-ii/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570_Direct_Cu_II/4.html
All of them will be cooler and more quiet than the stock version and probably more quiet than any other versions. The Asus one is huge though, it'll take 3 pci-e slots but it's excellent so if the size doesn't bother you and it'll fit the case I'd definitely go for it.
I recently grabbed the OC version of the Gigabyte Geforce 460. I got it to try in my old computer to see if the video card was the problem, but it wasn't so a friend is taking it off my hands. But upon looking at it and holding it, it felt sturdy and nice. I looked at the ones you linked and think maybe the MSI one will fit me fine. For the case I'm getting, the Asus could pose a problem, especially considering I might grab another when prices drop and run them in SLI. By the time I get a second one, it will be cheaper than the new generation, and once the prices on the new generation drop a bit, there will be X months until yet another new line is launched. I think a good 570 now, and another some time next year, will be ok for my needs. Good value vs. power ratio.

Oh yeah, the power supply unit is the most important part of your set. There are different models on different markets so I can't help you here but be sure to buy a great one, with powerful 12V lines - it's more important than the total wattage! Oh but a decent reserve of power is needed too. Just read reviews on local geek forums.
I'm getting the Corsair AX850W. It's gotten good reviews, and it's modular as well.

The Keyboard is extremely expensive - for half of that price you could get a freaking cordless,low-profile, aluminium Solar-powered Logitech. Why? :p
I actually already got the keyboard. It's like 2 kilos or more. It's so sturdy. It feels magic in my fingers. I am in love.

How about a display? Are you buying one?
I already have a 24" LCD. I am getting a DVI cable for it, finally. :p
 

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