All I can say, is wow.
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Well you are wrong.
If you had to directly kill the meat you eat, would you?
I stand by my point. Eating meat is WAY worse than doing drugs. It's simple logic. It is not a pre-requisite that a life has to be lost in order to do drugs. It can happen occasionally, but it is not a direct result. Eating meat requires death. Ob-fucking-viously. It's not rocket science.
If you had to directly kill the meat you eat, would you?
I stand by my point. Eating meat is WAY worse than doing drugs. It's simple logic. It is not a pre-requisite that a life has to be lost in order to do drugs. It can happen occasionally, but it is not a direct result. Eating meat requires death. Ob-fucking-viously. It's not rocket science.
but it is not a pre-requisite, or a guarantee. you can't guarantee or say that people died for every drug someone took. it's a side-effect.
So basically, you are trying to say that something that happens as a SIDE EFFECT of an action, is WORSE than something that happens as a DIRECT result of something. G-T-F-O with that shit.
If you honestly believe that, then that means, if I come into your house and killed your parents right now (a DIRECT ACTION), that wouldn't be as bad as if they happened to be somewhere where there was an earthquake and a building fell on them. (a SIDE EFFECT)
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
So basically, you are trying to say that something that happens as a SIDE EFFECT of an action, is WORSE than something that happens as a DIRECT result of something. G-T-F-O with that shit.
If you honestly believe that, then that means, if I come into your house and killed your parents right now (a DIRECT ACTION), that wouldn't be as bad as if they happened to be somewhere where there was an earthquake and a building fell on them. (a SIDE EFFECT)
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
no but what im saying is that when people buy drugs, they contribute to it. i have explained already. you or your buddy buy cocaine along with thousands of others. Gangs use that money to fund other activites, which includes the purchase of weapons which they use to kill rival gang members, debtors, innocent witnesses etc.
For the record, it was never about "Dilla". It was always about being able to follow the rules around here. Coming here and deliberately talking shit & cursing people out and instigating shit was what got him banned plenty times. I have no problems with Dilla and I think he does get a pass, for now.
Sometimes. Not every time. Not even every other time. In fact, only a very small fraction of the time.
I know people that grow a hell of a lot of weed, and sell it. One of the people they sell to, supplies half of a small city in the US with it.
They don't use the money to buy weapons or anything like that.
What you talk about happens with 1/1000th's of the drugs sold in the world. Maybe even less.
On the other hand, an animal HAD to die for every single piece of meat you eat.
See the difference?
I know people that grow a hell of a lot of weed, and sell it. One of the people they sell to, supplies half of a small city in the US with it.
They don't use the money to buy weapons or anything like that.
What you talk about happens with 1/1000th's of the drugs sold in the world. Maybe even less.
On the other hand, an animal HAD to die for every single piece of meat you eat.
See the difference?
For fucks sake Wood. Is that you changing names again?
Change it back please. I do not wish to post with this name, both due to it's association with dead animal carcasses, as well as an overweight, horribly dull singer, who should have quit music and stuck to acting after "Rocky Horror".
Last post, otherwise. Peace to you all.
Change it back please. I do not wish to post with this name, both due to it's association with dead animal carcasses, as well as an overweight, horribly dull singer, who should have quit music and stuck to acting after "Rocky Horror".
Last post, otherwise. Peace to you all.
I eat meat and I fucking love it. At the same time, I think humans in general rely too much on technology and just the overall advancement of civilization to get what they want.
I would find it very hard to argue in this thread if humans went out, like cavemen did fifty years ago (give or take a few years) and came home after hunting the animal themselves. Blood on your hands and face as a symbol of your work and barbarianism (but you need food to survive, so..). If you could live with yourself after that (though this isn't a question of morality and God and shit) then I think eating meat is perfectly fine. For that individual and its family.
If we're talking "round 'em up, feed 'em, kill 'em," then I think there's more of an argument there. If you're too busy to go hunt for the cow you want to eat because you're CEO and work 16 hour work days, then you don't eat meat and you pay the premium for buying fresh produce. Slowly, that means those with shitty jobs, or no jobs, get all the time in the world to hunt and, therefore, eat the most meat. But then wouldn't that mean the scum of society ate meat while the "well-off" lived longer by eating fruits and vegetables?
Again, I love meat. I can give up milk, or animal milk, at least. I do cook a good bit, though, so what would we substitute for butter, cream, and milk when we cook? Yes. It's a serious concern of mine. Soy milk couldn't possibly be good.
I would find it very hard to argue in this thread if humans went out, like cavemen did fifty years ago (give or take a few years) and came home after hunting the animal themselves. Blood on your hands and face as a symbol of your work and barbarianism (but you need food to survive, so..). If you could live with yourself after that (though this isn't a question of morality and God and shit) then I think eating meat is perfectly fine. For that individual and its family.
If we're talking "round 'em up, feed 'em, kill 'em," then I think there's more of an argument there. If you're too busy to go hunt for the cow you want to eat because you're CEO and work 16 hour work days, then you don't eat meat and you pay the premium for buying fresh produce. Slowly, that means those with shitty jobs, or no jobs, get all the time in the world to hunt and, therefore, eat the most meat. But then wouldn't that mean the scum of society ate meat while the "well-off" lived longer by eating fruits and vegetables?
Again, I love meat. I can give up milk, or animal milk, at least. I do cook a good bit, though, so what would we substitute for butter, cream, and milk when we cook? Yes. It's a serious concern of mine. Soy milk couldn't possibly be good.
Does he grow cocaine? 
Yes, I know you can't grow cocaine per se, hence my point. Most of cocaine and heroin that makes its way to Europe funds organized crime in one shape or another. That same goes for cocaine that makes its way into the US. With weed, things are slightly different, but not really, as is demonstrated by the weed that makes its way to the US via Mexico. Hell, Mexican gangs grow weed in American forests with pretty innovative irrigation systems and everything.
I agree with you on the distinction between direct actions and side-effects, but I'm not down with you constantly exaggerating your points by making unfounded remarks to help strengthen your point.
This has to be the biggest exaggeration ever:
"What you talk about happens with 1/1000th's of the drugs sold in the world. Maybe even less."
It's flat out wrong.
Yes, I know you can't grow cocaine per se, hence my point. Most of cocaine and heroin that makes its way to Europe funds organized crime in one shape or another. That same goes for cocaine that makes its way into the US. With weed, things are slightly different, but not really, as is demonstrated by the weed that makes its way to the US via Mexico. Hell, Mexican gangs grow weed in American forests with pretty innovative irrigation systems and everything.
I agree with you on the distinction between direct actions and side-effects, but I'm not down with you constantly exaggerating your points by making unfounded remarks to help strengthen your point.
This has to be the biggest exaggeration ever:
"What you talk about happens with 1/1000th's of the drugs sold in the world. Maybe even less."
It's flat out wrong.
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