*NEW* Eminem Freestyle - "Despicable"
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^No, I feel the same. I was almost, indirectly, answering for Salty's distaste for this song. See, Salty knows the flow is insane but he finds the subject matter/lyrics poor, and they are. The song has been on replay the whole night, until I heard J. Cole's single then I'm on that shit.
Also, more directly, I was simply referring to Eminem's style change that started with Encore, when he started focusing on flow and less on lyrics.
Also, more directly, I was simply referring to Eminem's style change that started with Encore, when he started focusing on flow and less on lyrics.
I hate raps fans that don't even care about Hip Hop but they buy ringtones and shit.
Em's delivery is great, no doubt about it - it's the cheap lines that I have a problem with.. it's... I've heard it before and worst of all, it doesn't mean anything. I guess if you are willing to lower your standards and consume disposable music then it works perfectly for both you and the creator.
This song is already meh to me. Imagine what my reaction would be in 5 years.. Right Now I have a SD card full of Tupac songs in my car and time and time again I put on Keep Ya Head Up and enjoy it because it's timeless. Is this song timeless? I don't think so.
Em's delivery is great, no doubt about it - it's the cheap lines that I have a problem with.. it's... I've heard it before and worst of all, it doesn't mean anything. I guess if you are willing to lower your standards and consume disposable music then it works perfectly for both you and the creator.
This song is already meh to me. Imagine what my reaction would be in 5 years.. Right Now I have a SD card full of Tupac songs in my car and time and time again I put on Keep Ya Head Up and enjoy it because it's timeless. Is this song timeless? I don't think so.
I also honestly didn't like this much lyric apart. I can't see how he "destroys it". His flow is nice at times but come on. It's just connecting silly rhymes usually. TOO many of them. Feels very cheap at times.
And I understand people who can't listen to a song with terrible lyrics. I was one of them and still it does bother me to some extent. It just feels silly listening to dumb songs.
And I understand people who can't listen to a song with terrible lyrics. I was one of them and still it does bother me to some extent. It just feels silly listening to dumb songs.
Nobody is denying that the lyrics suffer throughout the song (though there are some memorable lines), but I knew that would be the case once I saw it was a 'freestyle'. My 'wow' stems mostly from the flow and delivery, which agree or not is more than impressive. Now, I love a track with great lyrical content as much as the next, but I know when to take something for what it is, and not what I wish it was. When I'm out at the club or lounge I could care less about lyrics, and I appreciate the song for what it is - a banger, with an anthem like chorus. I knew what I was going to get when I downloaded this Eminem clip, and nobody else should be surprised since his flow has been the spotlight of his last album, and last few featurings.
Does Eminem get more attention than other artists here? Yup. Any reason why? I'm sure there are 100s of reasons why which are specific to whomever you ask. I think you told me to go into the thread with lesser known artists; I've been in there, and I've even posted in there. I know many of those artists, and others I don't... and some, I just don't care to know. It all depends on my mood in the end.
Does Eminem get more attention than other artists here? Yup. Any reason why? I'm sure there are 100s of reasons why which are specific to whomever you ask. I think you told me to go into the thread with lesser known artists; I've been in there, and I've even posted in there. I know many of those artists, and others I don't... and some, I just don't care to know. It all depends on my mood in the end.
The thing that separates Eminem's work and all the great artists from underground, is that Underground is too complicated.
Bear with me here, I like to think and for it to be relevant, but when you have to STUDY wtf they are trying to say, sometimes, it's just a fucking drag.
When you have Tupac Or Eminem say something complicated or refreshing, it will make you think, but not have to check their lyrics to understand.
These aren't the best examples, but check them:
"I try and find my friends, but they're blowin in the wind" (Makes you think a bit about, what does he mean, blowing in the wind?)
or
"Like a leaf stuck in a vacuum ya'll
ain't nuttin but a whole lotta suckin' going on in rap"
Not,
"A Cumulus Lenticularis - A Capsule In Space
You Will Become Acquainted With My Cryptic Language...
And My Mystic Manners, Rip Spit Bananas
Systematic Global Geographic Systemic Neo-Synapsis
Reload The Graphics Notice I Spit It Rapid"
:lol:
We are not asking for non-lyricism, we are asking for lyrics that are complicated (or different), but enough for us to understand on the first or 2nd listen.
Bear with me here, I like to think and for it to be relevant, but when you have to STUDY wtf they are trying to say, sometimes, it's just a fucking drag.
When you have Tupac Or Eminem say something complicated or refreshing, it will make you think, but not have to check their lyrics to understand.
These aren't the best examples, but check them:
"I try and find my friends, but they're blowin in the wind" (Makes you think a bit about, what does he mean, blowing in the wind?)
or
"Like a leaf stuck in a vacuum ya'll
ain't nuttin but a whole lotta suckin' going on in rap"
Not,
"A Cumulus Lenticularis - A Capsule In Space
You Will Become Acquainted With My Cryptic Language...
And My Mystic Manners, Rip Spit Bananas
Systematic Global Geographic Systemic Neo-Synapsis
Reload The Graphics Notice I Spit It Rapid"
:lol:
We are not asking for non-lyricism, we are asking for lyrics that are complicated (or different), but enough for us to understand on the first or 2nd listen.
When you turn 30, you won't be shaking your booty at the club. (At least I hope you won't be one of those old dudes trying to blend in a club full of 18-20 year olds. Whatever floats your boat though) Then you'll probably look back at all the freestyles you downloaded and be like 'holy shit - what a pile of shit' and maybe abandon one of the most important American art-forms of our generation.
I wouldn't go far as saying that the music of the past generation were all good. But my parents were listening to Marvin Gaye and Pink Floyd etc. I can enjoy those artists today. Sure, you'll raise your kids to be smart - I think you will but can you invite your son into your garage and be like 'hey, son - listen - this is some classic shit your pops was listening to back in the day. He's called Eminem and he's talking about sticking an umbrella up somebody's vagina. Those were the days!" I stress the importance of investing in music that you are proud of.
Relapse went near triple platinum right? Now the creators will emulate that and it leads to sequels that we all hate. But it doesn't matter because you'll just download it - that's fine by me - but your next door neighbor Sally's mom and dad works for universal and they got mouths to feed, they all want to make money so they're not going to risk it with progress that we all admire, so creators will find a way to make money and you end up with pile of shit.
I wouldn't go far as saying that the music of the past generation were all good. But my parents were listening to Marvin Gaye and Pink Floyd etc. I can enjoy those artists today. Sure, you'll raise your kids to be smart - I think you will but can you invite your son into your garage and be like 'hey, son - listen - this is some classic shit your pops was listening to back in the day. He's called Eminem and he's talking about sticking an umbrella up somebody's vagina. Those were the days!" I stress the importance of investing in music that you are proud of.
Relapse went near triple platinum right? Now the creators will emulate that and it leads to sequels that we all hate. But it doesn't matter because you'll just download it - that's fine by me - but your next door neighbor Sally's mom and dad works for universal and they got mouths to feed, they all want to make money so they're not going to risk it with progress that we all admire, so creators will find a way to make money and you end up with pile of shit.
Repped for this part which made me lol literally.
However I don't think that it's like "underground" artists rhyme about things nobody understands. And there are underground artists that rhyme about shit just like Eminem does. Everyone writes about anything he wants to.
Oh and there are semi-mainstream or semi-popular artists too that record great music but are simply less popular. I have to admit that I used to listen to Eminem but when I think about it and compare to what I listen right now (not even lyric-wise but generally as a music) I cover my face in shame.
I mean Eminem had some good songs, good albums. I think Marshall Matters LP was probably his best work. But still it's not great music by any means. It's not terrible though but right now as a whole I feel like it's too bad for me to listen to.
The thing I found out about hip-hop is that tastes usually evolve. Some people either are not serious enough about hip-hop or aren't willing to pass that first stage which is listening to popular artists.
Then if you finally move pass that stage you find yourself opened to a wide range of great music and find it hard to listen to artists from that "first phase".
However I don't think that it's like "underground" artists rhyme about things nobody understands. And there are underground artists that rhyme about shit just like Eminem does. Everyone writes about anything he wants to.
Oh and there are semi-mainstream or semi-popular artists too that record great music but are simply less popular. I have to admit that I used to listen to Eminem but when I think about it and compare to what I listen right now (not even lyric-wise but generally as a music) I cover my face in shame.
I mean Eminem had some good songs, good albums. I think Marshall Matters LP was probably his best work. But still it's not great music by any means. It's not terrible though but right now as a whole I feel like it's too bad for me to listen to.
The thing I found out about hip-hop is that tastes usually evolve. Some people either are not serious enough about hip-hop or aren't willing to pass that first stage which is listening to popular artists.
Then if you finally move pass that stage you find yourself opened to a wide range of great music and find it hard to listen to artists from that "first phase".
I'm not 30 yet (23 atm), and I won't go clubbing when I'm that age, but I'll be able to look back and say "Hey, I remember when I was younger and people went nuts to the song." ... Just like your parents or mine can remember when they were younger and appreciate those songs for what they were, even if it wasn't the type of music they really listened to on a regular basis. Hell, people went nuts over BeeGee's 'Staying Alive', it's not the greatest shit here you know, but people remember it as being a classic for getting down and boogieing. lol.
And no, I won't abandon the art form, and nor do I see why I would? I've been listening to rap since I was a kid, I grew up listening to Wu-Tang and Gangstarr. Shit, I grew up on oldies even more like Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, the Beatles, etc. since it's what my parents played around the house (Croatian music also). So, I know the difference between music for the ages, and music of the moment.
I agree with this, and the concept of investing in music that I'm proud out. There's a reason why I didn't buy Relapse, or any album of Eminem's since Marshall Mathers LP. As for his upcoming album, I'm hoping there's a difference since he said it will be more emotional content (which is my preference), shit, I just listened to 'Not Afraid' ... It's a good start, since all his first singles have been that corny shit he puts out. So, we have a good change at the moment, but we'll see.
That's just the business sadly, and milking the money cow. That's why I usually urge people to download an album first, give it good listens and tell yourself: "Is this something you'd be happy paying 20 bucks for? Do you like the direction the artist is going? To do even think it's something that you'd play again and again 15-20 years down the line?" ... If it's yes to all those questions, then you invest in it.
I just want to make it clear, I'm not giving a 2 thumbs up commercialized music with no substance. If it was up to me, I would like it to be limited, but I can distinguish the difference in something I just enjoy hearing at that one moment and tossing it away (like when I'm clubbing, while I'm young lol), and something I can pop into my car, recline my chair back and listen to over and over again and get lost in the music.
And no, I won't abandon the art form, and nor do I see why I would? I've been listening to rap since I was a kid, I grew up listening to Wu-Tang and Gangstarr. Shit, I grew up on oldies even more like Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, the Beatles, etc. since it's what my parents played around the house (Croatian music also). So, I know the difference between music for the ages, and music of the moment.
I agree with this, and the concept of investing in music that I'm proud out. There's a reason why I didn't buy Relapse, or any album of Eminem's since Marshall Mathers LP. As for his upcoming album, I'm hoping there's a difference since he said it will be more emotional content (which is my preference), shit, I just listened to 'Not Afraid' ... It's a good start, since all his first singles have been that corny shit he puts out. So, we have a good change at the moment, but we'll see.
That's just the business sadly, and milking the money cow. That's why I usually urge people to download an album first, give it good listens and tell yourself: "Is this something you'd be happy paying 20 bucks for? Do you like the direction the artist is going? To do even think it's something that you'd play again and again 15-20 years down the line?" ... If it's yes to all those questions, then you invest in it.
I just want to make it clear, I'm not giving a 2 thumbs up commercialized music with no substance. If it was up to me, I would like it to be limited, but I can distinguish the difference in something I just enjoy hearing at that one moment and tossing it away (like when I'm clubbing, while I'm young lol), and something I can pop into my car, recline my chair back and listen to over and over again and get lost in the music.
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