Do NOT Let Your Child Get Flu Vaccine -- 9 Reasons Why

Sebastian

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#41
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I swear 50% of your posts contain insults and swear words.

Grow up.



Yeah, and before you reply with "how about you calling me a fucking idiot in another thread?".....Firstly: Its well deserved. Secondly: Go somewhere else to spread your nonsense.
 

Farzin

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#43
Sure some vaccines have some side effects but a lot of them do a lot of good. Any kinda of medication has risks and side effects. The Swine flu vaccine might have more than others because it is new and it was rushed. I wouldn't take it for the reason that the swine flu that has spread here in Canada isn't that severe but it was I would take my chances with the vaccine.

There are some vaccines you obviously shouldn't avoid. If you are a healthy young adult like most of us then you don't need the regular flu vaccine.

But to go as far as to say that all vaccines are bad and they don't do anything but to make matters worse is just ignorant.
 

masta247

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#44
But to go as far as to say that all vaccines are bad and they don't do anything but to make matters worse is just ignorant.
No, I couldn't find even one reliable study showing that they do anything good. Literally - it has not been proven that any vaccines work while ALL are harmful in some way (even if they are just placebo which would be the safest one anyway).

The flu vaccine causes more people to catch flu.
 

Casey

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#46
This is a difficult topic. I brought it up (with evidence) on another forum and got slammed. Then again many of the people there are in the 30's and have children who have been vaccinated, so when you try and tell them that they may have actually endangered their children by vaccinating them.....well, it's like kicking a wasps nest.

One woman, though, had a kid with autism and the child didn't develop the autism until after it was vaccinated with something. But even with her real life evidence to support the theories, these other people on the board simply would not believe that there was any potential risk in vaccination, so it was hard to continue the discussion.
 

Jokerman

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#48
Vaccine science simply does not exist. There has never been a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study on the efficacy of any vaccine. Pharmaceutical companies have been found guilty of falsifying drug trial results, price fixing, providing financial inducement to researchers and physicians, and lining the politician’s pockets with consultants, lobbyists and foundations, all of who ultimately influence the CDC’s scheduling of vaccines for children and adults.

The swine flu vaccination is a hoax. It’s an attempt to create a pandemic so that they can sell a lot of vaccines. And the media and Obama and many parents have bought into it like good zombies.
 

Duke

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#49
The problem with vaccins, like Jokerman already pointed out, is that it has become a business. In theory there's little wrong with vaccination if you do it when the situation calls for it (and not grabbing the needle everytime there's a sniffle), but when it becomes business you'll be told to get shot up for every disease out there, which is useless and could be dangerous.
 

masta247

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#52
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But thats not really what Jokerman is saying. He claims that every vaccines are useless.
I'm not an expert and I only started reading into it not long ago but I couldn't find any evidence that they do in fact work (and I really tried just to pwn jokerman's post in words of wisdom :() so if you do I'd be grateful.
The only ones show that some diseases were reduced after mass vaccinations but the reason for that is they were developed at the very end of each plague/pandemic etc.
It's the only argument supporting vaccinations. More about it here:
http://www.heilkunst.com/drugs10.html

There are also articles funded by huge farmaceutical companies that get billions of dollars every year thanks to mandatory vaccinations but that's not the point.

There are some documents here in Poland on vaccines lately as there's an anti-vaccination movement. They tested people vaccined with a flu vaccine and those who received a placebo and those with a flu vaccine caught flu almost twice as often. There's a woman - ex minister of health leading that movement. There are articles in the newspapers lately etc.
 

Duke

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#53
Yeah, STFU Duke. ;) No situation calls for vaccination.

I disagree that there are NO situations at all in which it can be beneficiary. I immediately agree that these days we overvaccinate.

I'm by no means educated on the subject but what about Africa and other very poor areas where diseases run riot?
 

Jokerman

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#55
what about Africa and other very poor areas where diseases run riot?
Well, the situation there calls for clean food, water and immunonutrition, not vaccines. With all the billions spent on vaccines and drugs, we could have provided sanitary conditions and nutrients that have been shown to boost immune function. But then drug companies can’t make money that way.
 

Duke

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#56
Well, the situation there calls for clean food, water and immunonutrition, not vaccines. With all the billions spent on vaccines and drugs, we could have provided sanitary conditions and nutrients that have been shown to boost immune function. But then drug companies can’t make money that way.

That would be peachy and that would incidentally also solve world hunger, but it's not happening. Wish it were, but it's not.

Is it not better to have the option to vaccinate in such situations rather than have nothing at all?
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#58
... but it's not happening.

Is it not better to have the option to vaccinate in such situations rather than have nothing at all?
No, because one of the reasons it's not happening is because we have vaccination as an option. It perpetuates the very conditions that create the reason to vaccinate. Why clean things up and give them what they need at no profit; just vaccinate them. Is medicine using natural alternative therapies that have been shown to work and using drugs with side effects as an option? NO. The use of drugs prevents the use of the natural.

The vaccination-industrial complex is self-perpetuating. If there's no disease to innoculate against, create one. Create the conditions necessary for them.

Look how caring we are:

Iraq: Millions Of Children Receiving Immunizations

Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health reported in December, 2003 that “the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
 
#59
Im not going to prove you wrong. You are already doing the job for me.
That was just weak ass.

Don't have kids. PROBLEM SOLVED fuckwits.
I think it's bit more than just about kids bro......thing is are saying it's the kids, pregnant mothers and elderly that should prioritised, but the arguement goes for everyone, vaccines are suspect in the least, especially the Tamiflu that that started stockpiling in 06 apparently.

Sure some vaccines have some side effects but a lot of them do a lot of good. Any kinda of medication has risks and side effects. The Swine flu vaccine might have more than others because it is new and it was rushed. I wouldn't take it for the reason that the swine flu that has spread here in Canada isn't that severe but it was I would take my chances with the vaccine.

There are some vaccines you obviously shouldn't avoid. If you are a healthy young adult like most of us then you don't need the regular flu vaccine.

But to go as far as to say that all vaccines are bad and they don't do anything but to make matters worse is just ignorant.
Well, one could argue where you get your information from ? Have you heard of the placebo effect?
 

Farzin

Well-Known Member
#60
In the United Kingdom, in 1974, the number of people who got the vaccine against pertussis (whooping cough) dropped. By 1978, the country had an epidemic of this disease. More than 100,000 people got it, and 36 people died.

A diphtheria epidemic happened in the former Soviet Union because children stopped getting the vaccine and adults did not get booster shots. The number of cases of this disease soared from 839 in 1989 to nearly 50,000 in 1994. About 1,700 people died.

Thanks to vaccines, there has not been a single case of smallpox in the world since 1977. Polio has been wiped out in North, Central and South America, as well as other countries.
For more details, please see the chapters on specific vaccines in the Canadian Immunization Guide, 7th Edition 2006. Some vaccines also work by creating “herd immunity”. When most people in a community have received a vaccine for a particular disease, the chance of an outbreak of that disease is greatly reduced. This “herd immunity” protects the small number of people who cannot be immunized for medical reasons or for whom the vaccine did not work. For herd immunity to be effective, however, as many people as possible must be vaccinated.


So much for all vaccines being useless.
 

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