the chronic
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That merely excludes Dre's rhymes. What about the guest verses and beats?
Dre's not an emcee, he's a producer and him rapping was merely an extension of that. In the same way that he might get someone else to play the bass for a song, he got someone to write rhymes. The point was to create an album as opposed to a compilation. One of the reasons why the album works is because of the appearance of an emcee running the show.
Not saying you're wrong for not respecting Dre's work but the fact that he didn't write his own rhymes doesn't take anything away from the quality of the album.
Dre = DJ + Producer
Dre's not an emcee, he's a producer and him rapping was merely an extension of that. In the same way that he might get someone else to play the bass for a song, he got someone to write rhymes. The point was to create an album as opposed to a compilation. One of the reasons why the album works is because of the appearance of an emcee running the show.
Not saying you're wrong for not respecting Dre's work but the fact that he didn't write his own rhymes doesn't take anything away from the quality of the album.
Dre = DJ + Producer
I agree, it doesn't take away from the quality of the album at all. But for me personally, I cant respect an artist 'a rapper' for putting out an album he didn't write. To me he can't be accredited for that particular element of the album.
Dre's a great producer and a Dj, but I feel dre often gets too much respect for putting out 2 classic's where as u said it was the guest appearances and his production that really made the albums work.
Not saying anything against people, that love the album, or give it legendary status, just to me personally, I cant respect it too much (from a rapping perspective).
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Dre's a great producer and a Dj, but I feel dre often gets too much respect for putting out 2 classic's where as u said it was the guest appearances and his production that really made the albums work.
Not saying anything against people, that love the album, or give it legendary status, just to me personally, I cant respect it too much (from a rapping perspective).
peace
dude, who cares if he didn't write his lyrics for a few verses. its the greatest display of SONGWRITING in the history of hiphop. he produced, composed and wrote 60 minutes of spectacular music. as chronic said it was a masterpiece album, not just a collection of songs, so to speak.
who cares who wrote the lyrics? this is hip hop music not an essay! they were still brilliant. the delivery of every word was impeccable.
who cares who wrote the lyrics? this is hip hop music not an essay! they were still brilliant. the delivery of every word was impeccable.
Was trying to play it nice here, but since ya'll wanna jump on me like the shit I said was blasphemous... do u dumb fucks even know what emceeing means? fuck outta here with that bullshit.
not making ur own beats has absolutely nothing to do with EMCEEING. You respect tupac, cuz he's a great emcee.
Either some of u, have really low standards for song writing, or u guys are just on some bullshit like 'omg the chronic is a classic, how dare anybody speak about it'.
Well its pretty fuckin simple, cuz a rapper that doesn't write his own rhymes can not be considered a real emcee. Is Dre a great musician? sure... is he a great emcee? hell fuckin no.
to each his own, I dont even put The Chronic in my top 25 hip hop albums.
Like I said, The Chronic is a great album, but I PERSONALLY cant respect an album where an emcee does not write his own rhymes... To ME Thats like respecting a poet that doesnt write his own poetry:wondering:
not making ur own beats has absolutely nothing to do with EMCEEING. You respect tupac, cuz he's a great emcee.
Either some of u, have really low standards for song writing, or u guys are just on some bullshit like 'omg the chronic is a classic, how dare anybody speak about it'.
Well its pretty fuckin simple, cuz a rapper that doesn't write his own rhymes can not be considered a real emcee. Is Dre a great musician? sure... is he a great emcee? hell fuckin no.
to each his own, I dont even put The Chronic in my top 25 hip hop albums.
Like I said, The Chronic is a great album, but I PERSONALLY cant respect an album where an emcee does not write his own rhymes... To ME Thats like respecting a poet that doesnt write his own poetry:wondering:
lol, settle down dude.. i wasn't trying to jump down your throat.
last time i checked, "emceeing" as you call it, referred to the art of reciting lyrics in a rhythmic style over a beat. i don't recall the
origin of who actually wrote the lyrics having anything to do with it. not saying that it's not important, but if you wanna get all 'definition of rapping' on me...
by 'songwriting', i don't mean the writing of lyrics. i mean the whole process of thinking up and executing all components which go in to making a song/album,
also, i never said Dr. Dre was a great MC, or even a good one.
the whole point of the chronic (to me) was that this guy at the peak of his production career gathered all these dope artists together and created an album which represented an entire coast, era and genre. the fact that it WASN'T your traditional rapper's album with that rapper on every song, 3 verses separated by a hook for 12 songs, is part of the reason its so good to me.
it's like a compilation yet somehow flows perfectly together. the songs sound great by themselves, yet even better altogether w/ skits and all.
it's undoubtedly the greatest produced hip hop album of all time, mixing samples and live instrumentation.
that dre didn't write his lyrics does not matter one percent to me, because the album wasn't about that. of course, if we found out cormega had wrote every word on Illmatic, it might be a different story.
like i said, hip hop fans piss me off with their whole "real hip hop" shit. their whole code of conduct and respect shit. it's not about respect, it's about music. hip hop is music and music is entertainment.
last time i checked, "emceeing" as you call it, referred to the art of reciting lyrics in a rhythmic style over a beat. i don't recall the
origin of who actually wrote the lyrics having anything to do with it. not saying that it's not important, but if you wanna get all 'definition of rapping' on me...
by 'songwriting', i don't mean the writing of lyrics. i mean the whole process of thinking up and executing all components which go in to making a song/album,
also, i never said Dr. Dre was a great MC, or even a good one.
the whole point of the chronic (to me) was that this guy at the peak of his production career gathered all these dope artists together and created an album which represented an entire coast, era and genre. the fact that it WASN'T your traditional rapper's album with that rapper on every song, 3 verses separated by a hook for 12 songs, is part of the reason its so good to me.
it's like a compilation yet somehow flows perfectly together. the songs sound great by themselves, yet even better altogether w/ skits and all.
it's undoubtedly the greatest produced hip hop album of all time, mixing samples and live instrumentation.
that dre didn't write his lyrics does not matter one percent to me, because the album wasn't about that. of course, if we found out cormega had wrote every word on Illmatic, it might be a different story.
like i said, hip hop fans piss me off with their whole "real hip hop" shit. their whole code of conduct and respect shit. it's not about respect, it's about music. hip hop is music and music is entertainment.
Fuck who wrote it, fuck who made this and that.
Dr. Fucking Dre Composed it to be the album that it was, and that's all that matters.
It was a good album for it's time. Had some great classics. But it's all based on the value of listening to the melodies, not the actual lyrics.
That is the only thing that probably separates this Great album to a timeless album.
Dr. Fucking Dre Composed it to be the album that it was, and that's all that matters.
It was a good album for it's time. Had some great classics. But it's all based on the value of listening to the melodies, not the actual lyrics.
That is the only thing that probably separates this Great album to a timeless album.
I'm not going to bother sitting here argueing about technicalities. But I wholeheartedly disagree. You checking wikipedia for the definition of emceeing doesn't make it correct. Thats ur problem right there, some of u havent been into hip hop long enough nor have u bothered studying the origins of hip hop. So u look towards wikipedia and shit to sound educated on the subject,
Personal preference is fine, its a classic to u, and thousands of others. Thats fine, musical taste and preferences is subjective.
at the end of the day, its a great album, but like I said in my original post I Still do not respect it. I dont see why thats so hard for ppl to swallow. I've been at countless barbershop's where the topic of emceeing comes up, and I can easily say the vast majority of older heads would agree that the level of respect for a rap album or a rapper, drops dramatically when they dont write their own rhymes. All elements of hip hop are an expression of ur heart and soul, and when ur not even writing what ur spitting, then, well its hard to be expressing ur heart and soul with ur music.
... anyways it doesnt even matter, u love the album, and u have the utmost respect for it. And I like the album, but have no respect for it. It is what it is.
oh and btw Hip Hop is NOT about RESPECT? I wont bother attempting to ether u on that, but that statement cracks me up. Music is only one aspect of hip hop. A major aspect, sure, but still only only one aspect. Just study the history of hip hop
Personal preference is fine, its a classic to u, and thousands of others. Thats fine, musical taste and preferences is subjective.
at the end of the day, its a great album, but like I said in my original post I Still do not respect it. I dont see why thats so hard for ppl to swallow. I've been at countless barbershop's where the topic of emceeing comes up, and I can easily say the vast majority of older heads would agree that the level of respect for a rap album or a rapper, drops dramatically when they dont write their own rhymes. All elements of hip hop are an expression of ur heart and soul, and when ur not even writing what ur spitting, then, well its hard to be expressing ur heart and soul with ur music.
... anyways it doesnt even matter, u love the album, and u have the utmost respect for it. And I like the album, but have no respect for it. It is what it is.
oh and btw Hip Hop is NOT about RESPECT? I wont bother attempting to ether u on that, but that statement cracks me up. Music is only one aspect of hip hop. A major aspect, sure, but still only only one aspect. Just study the history of hip hop
^Maybe I was a little harsh, but man get with the times. This ain't 1979 anymore, rap has evolved past just emceeing into a form a music. How can you say people pour their hearts and soul into music and then just totally disregard something like a beat? Dre has never claimed to be a rapper, nor has he ever claimed to write his own rhymes so how can you hate on that?
Dre takes hip hop way past a dj and emcee and makes it into music. I mean the chronic is one of the few perfect albums. Every song is good and everything fits together perfectly. Thats one of the main problems with rap albums, you have like 7 or 8 different producers on the album and everything sounds different, there's no natural flow of things, which severley limits how listenable an album is.
Dre takes hip hop way past a dj and emcee and makes it into music. I mean the chronic is one of the few perfect albums. Every song is good and everything fits together perfectly. Thats one of the main problems with rap albums, you have like 7 or 8 different producers on the album and everything sounds different, there's no natural flow of things, which severley limits how listenable an album is.
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Those are my 2 original posts... thats what ppl are jumping all over. I'm talking about from a personal standpoint. I do not respect the Chronic from a rapping perspective. Thats all I said, and somehow that was taken as blasphemy.
start reading my posts instead of saying "get with the times dude, how can u disregard beats" I never disregarded no beats.
First read my post properly before trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing.
Those are my 2 original posts... thats what ppl are jumping all over. I'm talking about from a personal standpoint. I do not respect the Chronic from a rapping perspective. Thats all I said, and somehow that was taken as blasphemy.
start reading my posts instead of saying "get with the times dude, how can u disregard beats" I never disregarded no beats.
First read my post properly before trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing.
I love the Chronic for Dre's beats and the vibe of that whole album. I consider it a classic because I think that it revolutionized production in hip-hop.
I'm with ImmortalTech on that lyrics part though. Dre is a dope producer but he's not a good emcee. A rapper that doesn't use his own rhymes is not a rapper. In hip-hop who is a guy that doesn't do beats and doesn't write his own rhymes? He's nothing.
By the way if someone removes all basic fundamentals of hip-hop and still calls it hip-hop then is it really an evolution and guys sticking to those fundamentals should "move on with the times"?
I'm with ImmortalTech on that lyrics part though. Dre is a dope producer but he's not a good emcee. A rapper that doesn't use his own rhymes is not a rapper. In hip-hop who is a guy that doesn't do beats and doesn't write his own rhymes? He's nothing.
By the way if someone removes all basic fundamentals of hip-hop and still calls it hip-hop then is it really an evolution and guys sticking to those fundamentals should "move on with the times"?
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