hiphop taste and pet peeves

[S O F I]

You seem to not get it do you. If you want hip-hop to teach you morals you are an idiot but if you'd rather listen about going down on a bitch then you're a bigger idiot. There's just a line of stupidity in hh lyrics beyond which I find songs unlistenable.

You're just the type of person who gets awkward when hearing anything sex-related in music. You've even stated that about THE GOD, Tupac. So it's just something about you. Do you cringe when you see a sex scene in a film? By your beliefs in hip hop, that should be the case too.

I don't get have a problem listening to a song about sex acts because i'm pretty open-minded when it comes to discussing them so why should listening to a song with lyrics like that "make me an idiot"?

movin on.

To me music is not something ordinary - When I listen to it I usually don't want it to be something just to bump my head to. I want to feel it and listening to good music is something special to me.
Most of all I like it when I hear a rapper talking about things that fit to my ideology, who thinks in a similar way that I do or talks about things and experiences that are more familiar to me.
I could listen to that whole gangsta stuff when I was younger and I thought that it was cool. I grew out of it and now I find it too silly to listen to. And I can't just ignore the lyrics in a hip-hop track - silly lyrics just piss me off and/or make me turn the audio off.

That is completely fine. I'm not opposing that. However, for me its the same but also I prefer different types of rap for different occasions.

Blu in my headphones on train rides.
Three Six Mafia in the car.
Tupac any time.
Eminem on my laptop speakers.

etc.

Actually I oppose the gangsta music part. It seems when you were younger you listened to gangsta rap because you wanted to be in that state of mind. For me, it's just pictures. Like Casino, Scarface, or The Wire. I don't come out feeling like I should push coke, but I get entertained nonetheless.

Point nr. 2 - There are tracks I remember for years and they often remind me of various great moments of my life. I wouldn't want to reminisce and think "ooh I remember that! 'Fuck that bitch, give me money' was playing at that time and it was a great time of my life".
Sometimes when a rapper paints a picture for you, accompanied with a good production it's way more stimulating and can take me higher and deeper in my mind than reading a good book.
The Last Emperor would be a perfect example of this.

Crooked I's rap or die is a pretty good one for me lately.

I guess that it's something you just won't understand.

I do understand, but it seems to me you listen to the same type of rap music on all occasions...and I don't.

 

[S O F I]

I DO however find something wrong with dudes that say 'fuck man, why do ppl listen to this shit, this is music man, I'm trying to have a good time' well if thats as far as music can tak

I have that opinion about films. When people's favorite films are brain-dead action flicks with no substance so I see where you're coming from.

I'm all for though-provoking music which is what I liked about Joe Budden's Mood Muzik series, for example. It wasn't anything necessarily deep but it does paint a picture that you can reflect on and relate to.

The thing with a lot of "thought-provoking" rap music nowadays is that the artists just focus on thought-provoking lyrics instead of creating a good song. Tupac was a master at both.

 

[ImmortalTech]

I have that opinion about films. When people's favorite films are brain-dead action flicks with no substance so I see where you're coming from.

I'm all for though-provoking music which is what I liked about Joe Budden's Mood Muzik series, for example. It wasn't anything necessarily deep but it does paint a picture that you can reflect on and relate to.

The thing with a lot of "thought-provoking" rap music nowadays is that the artists just focus on thought-provoking lyrics instead of creating a good song. Tupac was a master at both.

I completely agree. Especially the movies man, ahhh I get into those arguments sooo often.

Personally for me when it comes to thought provoking or political hip hop it shouldn't sound forced, and it shouldn't be redundant to the point where that's the only dimension to an emcee's personality.

 

[Hellrazor1978]

My taste in hip hop is pretty wide ranged. To give you an idea here are my top 5 albums ever in order:

1. Illmatic
2. Me Against the World
3. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
4. Aquemini
5. The Chronic

all completely different albums, but all masterpieces. I tend to favor content over wordplay/lyricism, though both are important, production of course is as well. But impact and standing the test of time are big factors to me also in how dope something truly is. Even though I probably like southern hip hop less then west coast or NyC, i like the best albums from this region as much as anything else. Ive noticed alot of people who like east coast rap the best automatically dismiss something as inferior if it isnt sick lyrically, which isnt right. The Chronic is average lyrically, but regardless, it is forever a timeless milestone of hip hop, due to its superb production and the major impact it had on the culture. And the album still sounds wonderful today. Im not very big on club hits either, though I will listen to them occasionally. But this is what is so great about hiphop, there are so many styles and variations is crazy.

 

[masta247]

You're just the type of person who gets awkward when hearing anything sex-related in music. You've even stated that about THE GOD, Tupac. So it's just something about you. Do you cringe when you see a sex scene in a film? By your beliefs in hip hop, that should be the case too.

Yeah I think it's just stupid to rhyme about it in a hip-hop song. It just seems dumb to me.
Sure I also dislike sex scenes in movies but that's because I simply find them utterly boring.
Come on, if you want to watch it go grab a porn movie or something. The only thing they do right is hold the action for a few moments and gives me time to go to toilet. I agree that's how I am thus my opinion. However this point in this case is not the reason why I say so about club songs. That's the level of shallowness that simlpy offends me while listening to it. Something like watching a stupid movie, like you said it yourself.
When I hear "I'm rich, I'm rich, "I'm rich" or "I'm driving Maybach with hot bitches" it's really too much for me to handle. And sure, that's the reason why I dislike some 2pac songs.
Fortunately enough he was way more than that as he could also write one of the most emotional songs. When I grew out of that "Westside, Outlaw immortal, Thug life bad boy killer" thing I still had shitloads of his songs to listen to.
And no, I never listened to gangsta rap because I wanted to be like them. When I was a kid I simply thought that it's cool when they talk about killing, dealing drugs etc. When I was 9 or 10 I even thought that some of that stuff is true. It was like watching a good mafia movie though.

I do understand, but it seems to me you listen to the same type of rap music on all occasions...and I don't.

No, I just have my favorite type of music I described here but I listen to various types of hip-hop and music overall.
There are party tracks with hot beats dumbed down only to a totally acceptable level.
Driving a car I would rather bump Red and Meth, DMX or whatever similar.
I like hip-hop mixed with Reggae when I'm in a proper mood.
When at home or taking a walk in a nice place I'd rather listen to something stimulating like I mentioned before.
When in the proper mood I like "street" music but also not about "stabbing this guy, fucking that other guy's bitch" etc though some slightly hardcore tracks are also nice for some occasions.
Some good old BCC or Wu-tang and their affiliates tracks would suit me.
There are songs made for fun I like.
I also listen to totally different genres of music mixed with hip-hop.

 

[Kadafi Son]

can you give me examples of these songs that are:
* by street vets
* who have soul in their voices
* the songs have "real messages"
* and ppl used to dance to them when they first dropped

1-DMX, Method Man, C-bo
2-With real soul, i was referring to their voices not being artifical with the redundant autotune
3 & 4- i remember people dancin' to No Limit artists, a lot of those gfunk one hit wonders, southern rappers like 8Ball & MJG and oldschool Trick Daddy, etc.

Maybe its because of where I grew up, but i remember songs back then that got played in and outside the clubs and they didn't necessarily have to have an initial clubbin' concept. It ain't like that anymore

 

[S O F I]

DMX had party songs with "messages"?

with the main message in ruff ryder's anthem being "talk is cheap, motherfucker".

 

[roaches]

maybe i wasn't clear, but i meant examples of *songs* that fit ALL of the listed criteria.

 

[Euphanasia]

I like hard songs and deep, introspective songs. I have a friend at work who loves hip-hop like i do, but we have varying tastes. For example, his favorite rapper is Fabolous because he really appreciates the lyrical skills. I love listening to lyrical skills as well, but they don't do much for me if the song bores me. He just bought Fab's latest album, "Loso's Way" and he thought it was classic with one skippable track and i on the other hand, liked a few tracks, my favorite being "stay" because it's such a meaningful song and that's the track he skips because he says he can't relate to it because he doesn't have a child and his father was there for him. But I'm in the same boat he is and I love the song because it's real and personal to the artist. It's heartfelt and genuine.

Jay Z is a rapper i like, but he's not among my top few favorites (Pac, Em, Nas). He absolutely hates Jay Z because he says he never makes any sense and never raps about the topic when he's on other rapper's tracks. He lists an example about how Jay Z ruined "Black Republicans" because all he did was talk about Dame Dash, which has nothing to do with the message of the song. Or how he talks about "my pops left me an orphan" on "Renegade" but he still had his mother. He says he wasn't an orphan, his mom just worked a lot.

I have to agree with those points. However, I think that a die-hard Jay Z fan (which im not) would be able to defend the opposite stance.

 

[ImmortalTech]

I guess everyone here can more or less agree, that everyone, well most people have a range of hip hop they like listening to, and most of it is varies depending on their setting and mood.

 

[Euphanasia]

oh yeah and pet peeves. i want to scream when these rappers keep saying, "shit happens for a reason."

god that fucking pisses me off. I want to be like, no it doesn't!!!

i hear jada say it, joell ortiz, eminem.

 

[ImmortalTech]

^^ lol

.. oh another pet peeve, mixtape dj's that yell on the track. Ahhhh I wanna kill somebody when I hear a perfectly nice song ruined

 

[masta247]

can you give me examples of these songs that are:
* by street vets
* who have soul in their voices
* the songs have "real messages"
* and ppl used to dance to them when they first dropped

Personally I have to agree that "real messages" don't go well with party tracks since they are not meant to make you think that much. There are dope tracks with good lyrics though:

Half of all "slow jams" if you consider love songs have good messages.

90s dope songs like Wreckognize from S&W, A Tribe Called Quest - Award Tour or even "Me, Myself and I". There are shtloads of tracks like them.

Post-2000 it's way harder but still there are good tracks like Flashing lights from Kanye West, Rush by Mathematics, Meth and GZA. Also there are some good Outkast, Termanology and the Roots tracks.

I can party to all of them and while obviously they are not as good lyric and "message" wise but still the usage of "Fuck you pay me"/"Bitch lick me like a lollipop"-like things is well limited.

^^ lol

.. oh another pet peeve, mixtape dj's that yell on the track. Ahhhh I wanna kill somebody when I hear a perfectly nice song ruined

Yesss! That's why I HATE J. Love. He ruins all of his tracks on his own mixtapes by putting "This is a J.Love exclusive" every 20 seconds.
There's a dope Capone & Noreaga track called "Back When" I wanted so badly but it has J love tags all over it that totally ruin it.

 

[roaches]

Personally I have to agree that "real messages" don't go well with party tracks since they are not meant to make you think that much.

ppl don't dance no mo, all they do is this.

Half of all "slow jams" if you consider love songs have good messages.

90s dope songs like Wreckognize from S&W, A Tribe Called Quest - Award Tour or even "Me, Myself and I". There are shtloads of tracks like them.

Post-2000 it's way harder but still there are good tracks like Flashing lights from Kanye West, Rush by Mathematics, Meth and GZA. Also there are some good Outkast, Termanology and the Roots tracks.

ppl don't actually answer the ? anymore, all they do is this.