hiphop taste and pet peeves

[ImmortalTech]

I been noticing more and more on forums, that people seem to have a very ditinct taste with hip hop. Not to many people listen to a wide range of hip hop.

Like some people are stuck in that gangsta rap phase, where thats the only thing thats hot

others are on some backpacking shit, like if a dude gets a record deal all of a sudden he's automatically discredited

Others listen to hip hop thats hot in the clubs and dont really step outside of that realm.

How would u describe ur taste in hip hop? Are u really just biased towards a particular style (like I have a friend who hates lifestyle hip hop, he says 'those niggas are just too happy with life for me'... I got another friend who cant stand ppl like joe budden cuz they claim 'he's an emo faggot, and he should just kill himself'.

So basically mostly everyones either stuck with one dimension of hip hop or they're biased to atleast one dimension of it. Whats ur style or bias?


Basically I'm very biased towards club hip hop. That shit pisses me off. I mean its good in the club or at house party or something. But 99% of time I'm listening to music its usually through headphones, so I cant stand that shit. Like its got a time and a place but If I step into a store and they're playing that shit, it makes me wanna beat the shit outta the store clerk. If I get in someones whip and they're playing that, I'll wanna smash their head through a windshield.

The other thing I cant stand is when rappers add a bunch of addlibs to compensate for their weak ass delivery, or weak punch line. Your punch line should make me say "ohhh" not u or ur faggot ass hypeman say "oh". I think thats my biggest pet peeve in hip hop

Oh and I cant stand fuckin conspiracy theory ass alien rap.

thats about it, other than that I'm game

 

[Shadows]

I give everything a chance and generally listen to all the hip-hop. But I don't go looking for a Joe Budden dude, or a Lil Wayne dude typically either.

If im hype for someone, it's not necessarily the style of rap/hip-hop they represent, it's the person.

But I know what you mean. I just listen to what's on the radio. Before I would go out with friends, I would bump some 'Pac. I figure, everyone loves him right? WRONG.

Some dumb bitch that isn't even with my homie no more was like "You guys are the type to be stuck in the past listening to dead rappers."

I almost pulled over and kicked the bitch to the curb, but for respect of my friend I just took out the CD and asked what she wanted to listen to, since my friends are mainly diverse. She ended up picking "Get Rich Or Die Trying." I felt like saying, bitch, that CD is fucking old now.

We ended up putting on Maino, "Hi Hater."

 

[Casey]

I care very little for long ass verses/freestyles with some exceptions like Big L for example.

What I check for is SONGS. Killer hooks that draw you in. Songs that build and take you on a journey. (Pac was a master of this) Artists that can weave flows intricately with distinct melodies (Bizzy Bone/BTNH) or unique rhythm patterns (Rakim, Kool G Rap).

Passion, where the artists pours his soul into every word (DMX first two albums for example).

People who are overly lyrical without actually saying very much bore the shit out of me. People that go on pseudo-political rants piss me off, I don't care much for that shit.

 

[masta247]

My taste is a combination of your and Casey's.

If I hear a new artist and like a few of his songs then automatically I like him, no matter who he is. I dislike club rap, I find gangsta rap silly but sometimes I can listen to it. I also don't like too pseudo-intellectual stuff. I mean rappers that paint a picture for you and make you think are awesome but I really dislike when a guy starts to talk about politics, welfare, bitches and then puts everything together.

I love positive stuff. I grew out of hearing about getting shot, drug dealing, kids getting murdered or any other negative depressing made up stories. I can sometimes handle situational ideological lyrics though.
If a track is depressing it should put me into a specific mood - A good "love" song, something concerning our existence etc. (ex. Kenn Starr - Nothing but time or 2pac's Unconditional love)
Actually it's the type of songs I like the most.

That's pretty much it.

 

[Kadafi Son]

But I know what you mean. I just listen to what's on the radio. Before I would go out with friends, I would bump some 'Pac. I figure, everyone loves him right? WRONG.

Some dumb bitch that isn't even with my homie no more was like "You guys are the type to be stuck in the past listening to dead rappers."

I hate when i hear ignorant shit like that. If you don't like the rapper, ok then. But you don't have to go as far as disrespecting the man. I can't stand Lil Wayne, Biggie, JayZ. But I give them their props for being lyrically talented the way they are.

Anyways, I guess my taste is the gfunk era, with some Bone Thugs and 90's southside rap on the side. I really don't like what music has become these days, with the airwaves being full of club songs. Back in the day, as we already know, the radio was more diverse and I could listen to anything and learn to like it. Now the ratio is really closing down on other forms of rap...so now I'm forced to listen to old shit, cuz since the radio is full of club songs, no many artist are influenced to be original and versatile.

 

[S. Fourteen]

I'm tired of seeing names of female R&B artists who dissed a white rapper. And I'm tired of seeing carmi talking about it like it's West vs East all over again.

 

[ImmortalTech]

I love positive stuff. I grew out of hearing about getting shot, drug dealing, kids getting murdered or any other negative depressing made up stories. I can sometimes handle situational ideological lyrics though.
If a track is depressing it should put me into a specific mood - A good "love" song, something concerning our existence etc. (ex. Kenn Starr - Nothing but time or 2pac's Unconditional love)
Actually it's the type of songs I like the most.

That's pretty much it.

You'd probably like Kev Brown, and ill poetic.. or even some soulstice

incase u havent already heard shit from em...

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love ill poetics production, dudes always got the smoothest shit

 

[Stone_Cold]

My taste is mainly in underground hip hop, But there still are some mainstream artists I listen to, Jay, Kanye (pre 808s) Eminem etc. Its the Hip Pop that I cant stand. The kind thats manufactured for people who think that Pacs first album was Loyal To The Game and he and Eminem were homies cos he produced that album. I had that conversation with someone, i swear!

Someone was playing Kiss Me Through The Phone loud as fuck in their car out in my street last night, and I just cant understand how people can like that bubblegum shit. And it was 2 guys in the the car!!

I Like all flavours of the underground
Like someone said, I prefer the more positive, conscious, soulful laid back hip hop (Just dicovered Common Market which sums that up nicely) and I think thats what Ill end up just listening to in about 10 years or so. I listen to quite a few Christian artists aswell, One of my favourite sounds is a gospel choir over a hip hop beat. But having said that I still dig JMT, AOTP, Immortal Technique etc the harder shit that bangs, stuff that you can put on when ur pissed in work or wann drive really fast lol.

 

[Fronter]

I like to think that I listen to a good variety. I just like hearing creativity and skill that you know stands on it's own. To prove it's dope you just have to play it. I could make myself a mix with stuff like Ultramagnetic, Aesop Rock, kool G rap, Jedi Mind, Eminem, and Tech N9ne. you can't front on none of those fools.

 

[S O F I]

i get pissed of when i read a comment saying jigga sucks as a rapper, yeah you masta.

im not biased towards rap, im biased towards rap fans who are half the time fuckin idiots.

im biased towards those who dont like club rap, get out in the world you cabin motherfuckers.

im biased towards those who think that every rap song should have bumper sticker advice in it. if you need a rap song to have a message, you failed in life and your mother is a whore.

i have a diverse taste in hip hop.

 

[masta247]

i get pissed of when i read a comment saying jigga sucks as a rapper, yeah you masta.

Chill then. Sure, I dislike Jigga. To me he sucks and I'm really familiar with his albums.
To be fair I get pissed of when I hear opinions like yours on club rap.

if you need a rap song to have a message, you failed in life and your mother is a whore.

You seem to not get it do you. If you want hip-hop to teach you morals you are an idiot but if you'd rather listen about going down on a bitch then you're a bigger idiot. There's just a line of stupidity in hh lyrics beyond which I find songs unlistenable.
To me music is not something ordinary - When I listen to it I usually don't want it to be something just to bump my head to. I want to feel it and listening to good music is something special to me.
Most of all I like it when I hear a rapper talking about things that fit to my ideology, who thinks in a similar way that I do or talks about things and experiences that are more familiar to me.
I could listen to that whole gangsta stuff when I was younger and I thought that it was cool. I grew out of it and now I find it too silly to listen to. And I can't just ignore the lyrics in a hip-hop track - silly lyrics just piss me off and/or make me turn the audio off.
Point nr. 2 - There are tracks I remember for years and they often remind me of various great moments of my life. I wouldn't want to reminisce and think "ooh I remember that! 'Fuck that bitch, give me money' was playing at that time and it was a great time of my life".
Sometimes when a rapper paints a picture for you, accompanied with a good production it's way more stimulating and can take me higher and deeper in my mind than reading a good book.
The Last Emperor would be a perfect example of this.
I had unforgetable memories of awesome times listening to dope music.


I guess that it's something you just won't understand.

i have a diverse taste in hip hop.

Yeah, everything from Weezy to Weezy.

 

[ill-matic]

To me, hip hop is a lot more than just "hot rhymes over a beat". You don't necessarily need to have real intellectually stimulating lyrics for the music to be considered good, because there are so many other things which make it great. It's a combination of things - and to compartmentalise it by implying that "good hip hop should have good lyrics" is rubbish. I suppose it depends on what you want to get out of the music; if it's something just to satiate your need to hear some politically motivated or intellectually stimulating lyrics, then by all means go for it. But to then suggest that everything else is "not real" music is ignorant.

There's a lot more to appreciate; that's why I don't mind club music. Stop and listen to the melody.. the rhythm of the music.. The vibe it creates.. It's uplifting in the sense that it get's people to momentarily forget about their lives and just vibe to the music on the dance floor. And what's wrong with that? Is that not music because it's somewhat commercialised and being played in a club? Most hip hop snobs will try to discredit the song by pointing to the lyrics e.g. "ohh the lyrics are so shit.. if you want REAL hip hop check out Nas"...

When i hear this it pisses me off. People fail to understand that hip hop is far reaching, and is all-encompassing. The point of "club" songs isn't in the lyrics, but it's in creating an atmosphere through a bass-line, drums, and an overall rhythm for ONE sole purpose. Sure people aren't appreciating the "lyrics" of this music, but they're appreciating other components of it. So how is that a bad thing?

 

[masta247]

I can sort of agree with that BUT I simply can't totally forget about lyrics - like I said there is a line beyond which the lyrics are so dumb that the song is unlistenable to me.

When I hear lines like:
"Im riddin in a car that i caint even pronounce"
"I'm hot cuz I'm fly,
You ain't cuz you not."
"that's old news to the new school they doin numbers like soduku"
OR any other track by Soulja Boy OR where a rapper repeats words like "Bitch" or "Motherfucker" more than 50 times in 1 song.

Sorry but it's too much for me. I mean okay beat and the vibe are also important (though I don't feel any good vibe in most modern club songs) but how can you not hear the lyrics?
It's what hip-hop is about the most.
Sure I often party to good party rap songs but there has to be some sort of balance.

 

[Da_Funk]

Yet you like shit like Bon Jovi masta? There goes all your credibility. He is to rock music what soulja boy is to rap.

 

[ImmortalTech]

i get pissed of when i read a comment saying jigga sucks as a rapper, yeah you masta.

im not biased towards rap, im biased towards rap fans who are half the time fuckin idiots.

im biased towards those who dont like club rap, get out in the world you cabin motherfuckers.

im biased towards those who think that every rap song should have bumper sticker advice in it. if you need a rap song to have a message, you failed in life and your mother is a whore.

i have a diverse taste in hip hop.

its not about being biased towards anything. Everyone has personal preferences and tastes. You might like girls with blond hair, I might like brunettes. That doesnt make me biased towards blonds, it juts means i prefer one over the other. That was my mistake though, I originally used the wrong term

but if u claim that there absolutely nothing an artist can do that pisses u off, ur lying.

And when it comes to club hip hop, like I said it has a time and a place. If u honestly like listening to a dude repeat "lick it like a lollipop" while ur on the train, u need ur head checked

and I really dont think masta was saying he NEEDS a msg in his music, he just prefers something with substance. I dont see anything wrong with that.

I DO however find something wrong with dudes that say 'fuck man, why do ppl listen to this shit, this is music man, I'm trying to have a good time' well if thats as far as music can take u, unfortunately ur a shallow human being. And most of that aint directed at u sofi, u said u have a diverse taste in music, I'm talking about dudes that are on some other extreme.

When i hear this it pisses me off. People fail to understand that hip hop is far reaching, and is all-encompassing. The point of "club" songs isn't in the lyrics, but it's in creating an atmosphere through a bass-line, drums, and an overall rhythm for ONE sole purpose. Sure people aren't appreciating the "lyrics" of this music, but they're appreciating other components of it. So how is that a bad thing?

well I do agree with u... but ur also forgetting when we're talking about HIP HOP, not just music in general, we're talking about a very well defined subject here. It consist of 4 elements, emceeing, deejaying, b-boying, and graff writing. Graff is obviously the visual element, b-boying is the dance, and deejaying and emceeing is the musical component. Keeping in mind that emceeing is the most integral part of hip hop. To take music which as u said completely undermines the emcee, and consider that 'real hip hop' is completely ludicrous to me. Its still music, and some of it is good or even great music, but in no way do I consider it real hip hop. And for the record I'm not saying people shouldn't enjoy that. If thats ur thing great.

But the issue now is becoming that 'hip hop' radio stations are only playing that dance/pop fusion everyday. And the real emcee is being forgotten. Its not profitable to support emcees anymore. So even the emcee's that we have in hip hop (even dudes like wayne and 50 cent who have great potential) are spending most of their energy focusing on everything but the lyrics, because lyrics dont sell records and lyrics dont get spins on the radio.

To me hip hop, and what I hear in the club are completely different entities. I just call it club hip hop for a lack of better words. Not to discredit either one, they both are great in their own right.



btw, I'm glad I started this thread though SH needs some real hip hop discussion/areguement, instead of just comments on albums and songs.


peace

 

[masta247]

Yet you like shit like Bon Jovi masta? There goes all your credibility. He is to rock music what soulja boy is to rap.

I used to like Bon Jovi when I was 5-8 year old and the differences are that I'm not into Rock music and that Rock music is not all that about lyrics and if they are stupid they are not that unbelievably stupid.
I think that Bon Jovi after all makes good music.

Back to the topic - if there's a club "hip-hop" song I think that it should be made into a separate genre. Also, I wish those rappers would just stfu - it would be better for the song if there was just the beat played then and the producer was credited.

 

[Da_Funk]

I used to like Bon Jovi when I was 5-8 year old and the differences are that I'm not into Rock music and that Rock music is not all that about lyrics and if they are stupid they are not that unbelievably stupid.
I think that Bon Jovi after all makes good music.

Back to the topic - if there's a club "hip-hop" song I think that it should be made into a separate genre. Also, I wish those rappers would just stfu - it would be better for the song if there was just the beat played then and the producer was credited.

And yet you still like Bon Jovi even tho he is Souljah boy's equivalent. His music has no depth and no sincerity yet you like him because you're not into rock music. Well guess what, the people who like Souljah Boy and club rap are the people who aren't into rap music. See what you get from someone like Bon Jovi they get from someone like Souljah Boy or Flo Rida.

Club music has its place, so don't hate on it just because you don't listen to it while sitting here chilling, posting on streethop. You really think that some of us do that? lol no, we just go out to clubs and parties and know it goes hard in those environments.

And of course club music is the only type of rap on mtv (i don't watch it so correct me if i'm wrong) and the radio. Rap is no longer the in thing anymore. Kids have moved onto other types of music so you'll never see dudes like K'naan plastered all over the radio and tv. Its gonna be the party music that's there and selling because it always has and it always will.

 

[roaches]

listening to hip-hop for good hooks = gay
listening to hip-hop for edutainment = gay
listening to hip-hop because you can do a two-step to it = gay

i listen to repetitive non-musical garbage of all sorts because i have two nuts, an ear for the english language in multiple dialects and believe in fly-sounding shit for the sake of sounding fly.

 

[Kadafi Son]

AKids have moved onto other types of music so you'll never see dudes like K'naan plastered all over the radio and tv. Its gonna be the party music that's there and selling because it always has and it always will.

You do know that party music wasn't always the sound that selled, right.

You gotta realize that the balance in content and subjects have drastically changed in the past few years. I don't know why its so hard for people to not recognize this or either not be ok with this. Pop artist and broke rappers frontin' to be rich is clouded these days, when back in the day, you had these same artist, mixed with real street vets, real soul in their voice, real messages, and get this... YOU COULD EVEN DANCE TO IT. I'm not always asking for another Crossroads, Keep Ya Head Up, Thuggish Ruggish Bone, Regulate, Lil Ghetto Boy, or Starin Thru My Rearview. But I'm also not askin for another I Get Around, Bling Bling, Tha Shiznit or.....shit...I can't remember many blunt club songs...wait...cuz even those songs that got play in the clubs weren't songs strictly about clubbing. They talked about a variety of things and actually did it in an impressive lyrical manner. It didn't even matter if the beat was melancholy or hard because artist and producers knew how to rock a crowd because it was for the love of the music in its original process. Not anything with a hook or a beat that seems like it didn't get much time put into it. The industry has definitely been dumbin' ya'll down if you think repetitive music like this can and should be gettin' play all day everywhere.

 

[roaches]

. Pop artist and broke rappers frontin' to be rich is clouded these days, when back in the day, you had these same artist, mixed with real street vets, real soul in their voice, real messages, and get this... YOU COULD EVEN DANCE TO IT

can you give me examples of these songs that are:
* by street vets
* who have soul in their voices
* the songs have "real messages"
* and ppl used to dance to them when they first dropped