Would you go mad if you're kids done drugs.

[Chronic]

Depends on the type of drugs.

 

[Sebastian]

Alcohol?

sry, i will allow them to drink alcohol...without getting drunk every weekend of course.

You can offer information, guidance and help. That's where it ends. Ultimately, they're going to do what they're going to do. Whether you agree with it or not.

right but then they have to live with the consequences.

 

[Illuminattile]

I don't think anyone could be mad at their kids for taking drugs, especially westerners. Come to medicine and problems with health, it is a western view to look at drugs as the first possible solution. Whereas if you lived in the east, healing would be looked at with a more natural-solution in mind.

It seems hypocritical that western media criticises the use of drugs, but really it is the same kind of people who are are knee-deep in the research into drugs and their uses, looking towards and to depend on them.

No health proffessional I have ever visited has ever offered me, or pointed out a more natural remedy for a common ailment - things like herbal remedies etc.

All this talk about drugs being bad is bullshit, put frankly. It's some twisted ethical concept.

Are you being serious? I don't think the thread was meant to be "Would you go mad if your kids took an aspirin?".

No kid thinks "Well if I get sick the doctor gives me some pills, so shooting up heroin must be good for me!!".

 

[Chronic]

I don't think anyone could be mad at their kids for taking drugs, especially westerners. Come to medicine and problems with health, it is a western view to look at drugs as the first possible solution. Whereas if you lived in the east, healing would be looked at with a more natural-solution in mind.

It seems hypocritical that western media criticises the use of drugs, but really it is the same kind of people who are are knee-deep in the research into drugs and their uses, looking towards and to depend on them.

No health proffessional I have ever visited has ever offered me, or pointed out a more natural remedy for a common ailment - things like herbal remedies etc.

All this talk about drugs being bad is bullshit, put frankly. It's some twisted ethical concept.

Wow. Slap yourself.

 

[keco52]

Wow. Slap yourself.

haha...

I would teach my kids right from wrong and hopefully they would make the right decisions.

 

[Duke]

sry, i will allow them to drink alcohol...without getting drunk every weekend of course.

Don't you consider that hypocritical? I mean, alcohol is one helluva hard drug.

right but then they have to live with the consequences.

Wouldn't that be part of them growing up? Living their life? It's inescapable. What's your alternative? Shelter them so much they'll never come into contact with drugs? Put the fear of God in them for drugs?

 

[Pacaveli-T]

i wouldnt go crazy but i would be pretty mad i know that i would seriously talk to them and limit their going out and shit....

depending how old they are and what they are using i would throw their ass into rehab...

just hope if i did it wouldnt happen cause i dont have tolerance for that shit.

 

[Sebastian]

i know you are from holland so there is no need to talk with you about "drugs".......j/k

Don't you consider that hypocritical? I mean, alcohol is one helluva hard drug.

like i said, they can drink as long as they dont get drunk. so no, if u dont drink too much its not dangerous, is it? i dont think so...

and i think i/we wont allow them to drink alcohol until they are at least 16.

i would like to see they dont drink alcohol at all but thats too "extreme" i think.

Wouldn't that be part of them growing up? Living their life? It's inescapable. What's your alternative? Shelter them so much they'll never come into contact with drugs? Put the fear of God in them for drugs?

lol nah, im not religious so you can quit the "god" option.

as long as im responsible for their life and for what they do they wont take drugs. and its not like they have to live in a cage or something, actually im far away from being strict i think. the only thing which is a no-no is taking drugs.lol

 

[Duke]

i know you are from holland so there is no need to talk with you about "drugs".......j/k

like i said, they can drink as long as they dont get drunk. so no, if u dont drink too much its not dangerous, is it? i dont think so...

and i think i/we wont allow them to drink alcohol until they are at least 16.

Point taken.

lol nah, im not religious so you can quit the "god" option.

lol! no, i meant it metaphorical. As in, tell them that if you found out they were using whatever you'd get so pissed they wish Satan was their dad?

as long as im responsible for their life and for what they do they wont take drugs. and its not like they have to live in a cage or something, actually im far away from being strict i think. the only thing which is a no-no is taking drugs.lol

Yeah i understand but how are you planning to "enforce" it?

 

[Sebastian]

lol! no, i meant it metaphorical. As in, tell them that if you found out they were using whatever you'd get so pissed they wish Satan was their dad?

lol sorry. no, not that drastically. i will tell them they would have to face cosequences (as in, no pocket-money or something.lol) if i find out they are taking drugs.

Yeah i understand but how are you planning to "enforce" it?

first of all, of course, through education and so on....plus certain consequences for not following the "rules".

 

[Duke]

lol sorry. no, not that drastically. i will tell them they would have to face cosequences (as in, no pocket-money or something.lol) if i find out they are taking drugs.



first of all, of course, through education and so on....plus certain consequences for not following the "rules".

Ich verstehe. I think we're done, i have no more questions.

 

[S O F I]

sry, i will allow them to drink alcohol...without getting drunk every weekend of course.



right but then they have to live with the consequences.

LOL. What message are you sending out to your children if you allow them to drink alcohol? It doesn't matter if you say that they can't get drunk every weekend. The kid relies on getting the permission to drink, and therefore acts from that. Also, in a latter post, you said you won't let them get drunk, but drink. What? How can they know when enough is enough? It takes drinking to develop that control and knowing when to stop.

I mean, I don't have an answer to how to raise children right and how to make sure they turn out right, but I do have an idea of what not to do.

 

[Sebastian]

LOL. What message are you sending out to your children if you allow them to drink alcohol? It doesn't matter if you say that they can't get drunk every weekend. The kid relies on getting the permission to drink, and therefore acts from that.

whats so hard to understand? i give them the permission to drink, but not to get drunk. i cant see how this is a negative message or something.

your last sentence is therefore nonsense.

Also, in a latter post, you said you won't let them get drunk, but drink. What? How can they know when enough is enough? It takes drinking to develop that control and knowing when to stop.

i know some people who drink alcohol but were never drunk. so i know it works.

lets say they get drunk for the first time (and i get to know it, which is not very realistic). its not like i would punish them immediately. maybe i would give them one "try".lol...

I mean, I don't have an answer to how to raise children right and how to make sure they turn out right, but I do have an idea of what not to do.

so what will be forbidden for your children ? drinking?

 

[The.Menace]

i know some people who drink alcohol but were never drunk. so i know it works.

lets say they get drunk for the first time (and i get to know it, which is not very realistic). its not like i would punish them immediately. maybe i would give them one "try".lol...

I simply don't agree. I know drugs are dangerous, I know all that. But still, certain risks, certain things are just part of living. Aiight, of course you don't want your kid to be an alcoholic but hell, I had great times while drinkin on parties etc etc etc. I don't want my child 2 see anything, but neigther I want them 2 miss anything, you know what I'm sayin?

 

[Pittsey]

Letting your kid get fucked out of his face in his teens at a family party is a great way to teach him the pitfalls of alcohol. He's in close proximity so you know he can't do too much to danger himself. And once you've been that sick on alcohol, you try not to get that ill again. I've learnt my limits that way.

 

[The.Menace]

And once you've been that sick on alcohol, you try not to get that ill again

I wouldn't be so sure. I don't know, ya all have to accept that living actually is risky and unhealthy. You can't and shouldn't protect your child from anything.

 

[Duke]

And once you've been that sick on alcohol, you try not to get that ill again. I've learnt my limits that way.

That's so true

 

[S O F I]

whats so hard to understand? i give them the permission to drink, but not to get drunk. i cant see how this is a negative message or something.

You can't give them permission to drink and not expect for them to get drunk. It's like giving a kid permission to shoot a slingshot, but have them not hit anything.


You have to be an experienced drinker to know when you need to stop before you get drunk. If you're going to let your kids drink, but not get drunk, that is nonsense. What is the point of drinking if you don't get drunk or "buzzed"? That especially applies to teenage kids. At the age they are at, it's impossible for them to "like" drinking alcohol. They do it to get drunk. If you tell your kid he can drink but not get drunk, he'll think you're an idiot.

i know some people who drink alcohol but were never drunk. so i know it works.

They probably do it with a meal, like drink wine with a meal or something. Or, for a social thing, I don't know. But, if they drink alcohol and were never drunk, they probably have drank little to none.

lets say they get drunk for the first time (and i get to know it, which is not very realistic). its not like i would punish them immediately. maybe i would give them one "try".lol...

OK, and they drink again and get drunk accidentally, you know how parties go. What will the consequence be? You'll tell them not to drink anymore. Do you think they will listen?

so what will be forbidden for your children? drinking?

I don't plan to have children, yet.

Also, about the thing you said that my last sentence was nonsense, I meant that if you let them drink, they will probably think that other things are OK, too. They'll start to balance alcohol with drugs, etc.

 

[S O F I]

That's so true

Ask The_One or TheMenace if that's the case, lol. I'm hinting at the threads they made in Late Night or DFL a while ago.

 

[Duke]

Ask The_One or TheMenace if that's the case, lol. I'm hinting at the threads they made in Late Night or DFL a while ago.

Why ask them? I'm speaking out of my own personal experience, which is quite extensive on the alcohol front. And for me, and everyone i know who likes to "drink", it is simply true.

You can't give them permission to drink and not expect for them to get drunk. It's like giving a kid permission to shoot a slingshot, but have them not hit anything.


You have to be an experienced drinker to know when you need to stop before you get drunk. If you're going to let your kids drink, but not get drunk, that is nonsense. What is the point of drinking if you don't get drunk or "buzzed"? That especially applies to teenage kids. At the age they are at, it's impossible for them to "like" drinking alcohol. They do it to get drunk. If you tell your kid he can drink but not get drunk, he'll think you're an idiot.

Sorry, this is utter bullshit. Not all people drink to get drunk. I can enjoy a good beer any time. Not to get drunk, but because it like it. And that was the case already years ago. I like the taste of a good beer, like i like a good steak, a good fish or good nasi goreng. I like it. Sometimes i drink to get pissed, sometimes I enjoy a good beer in the company of my friends to enjoy the good beer.

I understand perfectly what beReal is saying. Though i might not agree with him, i see where he's coming from. And i see his position on alcohol.

Alcohol is a funny drug. I'd classify it as a hard drug absolutely. But its so nuanced in it's use. It's not like crack, cocaine, ecstacy, heroin or speed, where you take it for it's effects. Drinking the drink itself can be satisfying, unlike a line of coke which isn't fun to snort itself. Alcohol, or alcohol containing drinks, can be used more variedly. And for everyone, the way he/she uses it and for what reason, varies per drink and circumstances.

Not everyone that drinks a beer wants to get hammered. I'd consider myself an "experienced beer drinker", yet although i go out on weekends and plan to get hammered, i don't drink to drunkesness whenever i enjoy a beer. And that's what beReal is saying.

He's saying that, if my 15 year old son likes the taste of a quality german beer, sure he can have one when he's watching football with me.

And there's nothing wrong or hypocritical with that.

What is the point of drinking if you don't get drunk or "buzzed"? That especially applies to teenage kids. At the age they are at, it's impossible for them to "like" drinking alcohol. They do it to get drunk.

Have you any idea how wrong you are here? Generalisations-a-plenty.