WaPo journalist.

[Tha_Wood]

So is this a big deal? I feel like it's not that surprising and I also feel like it wouldn't be uncommon that Saudi Arabia would kill journalists. Am I completely wrong?

 

[Rukas]

I thought the same thing. Like it's horrible, but not surprising. It's Saudi Arabia.

 

[Tha_Wood]

I dunno maybe I'm an uninformed ass ignorant hick but I assumed they did this shit all the time.

 

[dilla]

It's a big deal because Trump is President and the media wants to stoke the fire by focusing on his every move in response to this.

Truth is, he'll say he cares and may or may not do shit about it. Just like every President before him, who didn't do shit about it because the US supports Saudi and benefits from the instability and oil there.

The murdering of the journalist part is disgusting but no one did shit about it before and I don't think they'll do shit about it now. The EU leaders are all thumping their chests and condemning the killing but their eyes are on the US and what they'll do before they even lift a finger.

I hope Donald proves me wrong because it's a fuck situation.

 

[Jokerman]

Trump said there will be severe punishment if they are found guilty. He's going to double the rate he charges them to rent a floor in one of his hotels.

 

[Jokerman]

Forget about this inconsequential story. Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson ended their engagement!! What is Trump going to do about that!

 

[Jon]

Forget about this inconsequential story. Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson ended their engagement!! What is Trump going to do about that!

 

[dilla]

That's more what Bill Clinton would say after that picture of him dressing her down during her performance. The one where she was felt up by that black pastor. Blatantly.

You guys hear HRC's comments brushing off Bill and Monica? https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/14/poli...ton-monica-lewinsky-abuse-of-power/index.html

Also, staying on topic, looks like some strong moves made against the Saudis were made the past few days. Ford isn't attending a conference there. JPMorgan's CEO isn't going either. A lot of people aren't.

Seems like a strong enough statement but I hope it leads to actual action and not this in activism of condemning through the media but still benefitting another way.

I don't think WaPo reporter was an American citizen (he could be) but he worked for the WaPo. Maybe an international correspondent or something in the Middle East. But the reason the US has a stake in it is because it was technically part of an American company. Trump talks a lot of shit about WaPo and the NYT but for him to sit there and juggle his nuts about it would probably raise questions about protecting Americans. Now that I think about it, the guy may have been working in the US and been elsewhere when not working. So I think that's the US' special interest in this. Everyone should be concerned but the US especially.

Thing is, we're taking Turkey at its word about the findings, too. So maybe the investigation by a third party will lend some more credibility on what exactly went down, aside from a reporter's murder.

 

[masta247]

The story the way I see it is that the world is supporting places that do fucked up things by doing business with them, making those places rich and nobody wants to do a thing about it (except the lonesome warrior - Canada, which the Saudis ditched for criticizing them, since the rest of the world still wants to deal with them). Trump was basically called out on it and downplayed it, so people are disappointed.

The bigger problem is whether it should be ok to deal with places that do such shit. I think everyone wanted to hear that the US will be the exemplary leader for punishing those places, just as they punish "misbehaving" places that aren't as good for business, but it didn't happen.

 

[Jokerman]

Trump "I just spoke to the king of Saudi Arabi and he firmly denied the kingdom’s involvement in Khashoggi’s disappearance. I don’t want to get into his mind, but it sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue killers sent by the Democrats and Pocahontas savages wearing horse faces."

 

[dilla]

The story the way I see it is that the world is supporting places that do fucked up things by doing business with them, making those places rich and nobody wants to do a thing about it (except the lonesome warrior - Canada, which the Saudis ditched for criticizing them, since the rest of the world still wants to deal with them). Trump was basically called out on it and downplayed it, so people are disappointed.

The bigger problem is whether it should be ok to deal with places that do such shit. I think everyone wanted to hear that the US will be the exemplary leader for punishing those places, just as they punish "misbehaving" places that aren't as good for business, but it didn't happen.

A secondary issue, but still an important one is when the US is unable or unwilling to take a stand, no ne else was able to either. It could be a Turmp thing but as we already know these dealings have been going on for decades. Previous administrations could have called them out and made some superficial moves but th dealings still would have continued. No surprise they still continue under a president that’s still a businessman first.

Who’s the next most powerful person and/or country in the world? Germany? Britain? They should make some moves too and pick up the slack the US clearly failed to do. I don’t know if they’re too chickenshit to say anything or if they’re guilty of having their hands just as deep in the unrest in the Middle East.

 

[masta247]

Who’s the next most powerful person and/or country in the world? Germany? Britain? They should make some moves too and pick up the slack the US clearly failed to do. I don’t know if they’re too chickenshit to say anything or if they’re guilty of having their hands just as deep in the unrest in the Middle East.

Who’s the next most powerful person and/or country in the world? Germany? Britain? They should make some moves too and pick up the slack the US clearly failed to do. I don’t know if they’re too chickenshit to say anything or if they’re guilty of having their hands just as deep in the unrest in the Middle East.

Saudi Arabia actually issued a statement to the US embassy saying it "condemns ‘malicious leaks and grim rumors". It's funny how nobody openly criticized Saudi Arabia despite all of this, some were just asking for a thorough investigation and that's it. I think at this time there's an audio recording of him being assassinated there.

The most powerful independent government in the world is the EU at the moment, at least in terms of economy, exports and decision making influence (since they can decide that no European countries can do business with a given country). They still sell weapons to Saudi Arabia. Same as the US, Russia, and China (who just openly stated that they want to do MORE business with the Saudis).

Canada is the sole country not doing business with the Saudis, although not by its choice. They were the only ones openly calling out the Saudis for human right violations, and Saudis cut ties, then nobody supported Canada afterward, lol. Canadians were a bit proud and a bit disappointed that nobody supported them when it happened. From the Saudi perspective, Canada has roughly the size of a US state like California, and with the whole world still dealing with them, Saudi Arabia is feeling cocky to the point they feel comfortable just cutting all ties with a single country that criticizes them. The US played it down as two trade partners beefing and the EU withdrew their support of Canada after threats from the Saudis. It's morally fucked up.

 

[dilla]

Saudi Arabia actually issued a statement to the US embassy saying it "condemns ‘malicious leaks and grim rumors". It's funny how nobody openly criticized Saudi Arabia despite all of this, some were just asking for a thorough investigation and that's it. I think at this time there's an audio recording of him being assassinated there.

The most powerful independent government in the world is the EU at the moment, at least in terms of economy, exports and decision making influence (since they can decide that no European countries can do business with a given country). They still sell weapons to Saudi Arabia. Same as the US, Russia, and China (who just openly stated that they want to do MORE business with the Saudis).

Canada is the sole country not doing business with the Saudis, although not by its choice. They were the only ones openly calling out the Saudis for human right violations, and Saudis cut ties, then nobody supported Canada afterward, lol. Canadians were a bit proud and a bit disappointed that nobody supported them when it happened. From the Saudi perspective, Canada has roughly the size of a US state like California, and with the whole world still dealing with them, Saudi Arabia is feeling cocky to the point they feel comfortable just cutting all ties with a single country that criticizes them. The US played it down as two trade partners beefing and the EU withdrew their support of Canada after threats from the Saudis. It's morally fucked up.

Yeah, it is. I mean, kudos to Canada for standing up to them. I do remember the breaking up of relations a month or two ago and I think it took place over social media? Like they tweeted their break up or something from official accounts lol. But I think the world knows Canada is tethered to the US, and to an extent vice versa, so it was like picking on the little brother when the Saudis knew big brother US wasn't going to defend him either. Or Trump, I should say, wasn't going to intervene in the Canada-Saudi issue and Saudi would just continue to trade with the US.

I'd rather an EU superpower like Germany or the UK make a big show of power against the Saudis instead of just peeking over the US's shoulder. It's becoming more and more clear that Trump is going to let it slide or come up with some BS excuse and a slap on the wrist and that will be it. Someone else making a power move would show-up the US and make us look like bitches, but it would still dish out the consequences for their shitty actions. The world may view the US less favorably after that, to see another country or group of countries take the reigns but the important thing would be punishing Saudi, that's it. These EU countries may have ties to the Saudis for trade but it can't be on a scale as large as the US. And even if it is and they stop trade as a collective, I don't know if the Saudis can really on just the US to stay alive. And the more the US aids Saudi, the worse we look, which could force some changes within the US as well.

Otherwise, this story, I think, is getting close to its media expiration date. The media tends to focus on huge events for a week or two before taking a small break or finding something else to be butthurt about. I still don't know what came of the detention camps at the US border. Or the Mueller investigation. We're about to have our midterms in three weeks or so, so that will consume us until the first week of November. Then the results for another week or two will be exaggerated regardless of who wins what branch. All the issues are about to be thrown out to clear room for that shitshow and you know Trump would rather go back to campaigning and shit talking candidates than having to answer questions about his ties to Saudi and how he plans to punish them for murdering a journalist.

 

[Tha_Wood]

Well he's dead for sure now

 

[Jon]

Like they tweeted their break up or something from official accounts lol

Much worse than that... Saudi photoshopped an Air Canada plane crashing into CN Tower in Toronto.

 

[Jon]