Tipping

raywaters11

Well-Known Member
#21
Nope. Swear to God. I thought the same thing, this was back in 2006 when minimum wage was like...$5.50 or some shit. But they made less than three dollars per hour but kept 100% of their tips.
 

SiGh

Who's there?
Staff member
#23
^not possible. you have to get paid at least minimum wage. most places (unless the pay is higher) are minimum wage + tips. no place is less than minimum wage. if so, and you have legal documents, you're in for some lawsuit cheese.
If you are a server at a full time restaurant, the hourly minimum (depending on each state) is $2.13 an hour. And the whatever the server claims (into the computer when they cash out) is what they take taxes out of-- which is taken from paycheck. They earn their money from tips and pay their taxes from the checks.

Theres a little more to it, but im on my phone and dont feel like typing out. Google it, itll explain better.


Edit:
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
There i think that link has it.
 

raywaters11

Well-Known Member
#24
Lol how many different ways can you take it?
And I Googled it also. Girls in Michigan make $2.65 an hour, the girls in Lexington were making $2.35 starting out. A simple "hooters girls hourly pay" will get the results for ya.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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#26
I always thought they got minimum wage... Knowing that they may not, makes me happier about tipping...

And I would quite easily spend $100 a day on food. I am not going to be eating in Dennys.
 

raywaters11

Well-Known Member
#27
Yeah since I worked there I tip the girls a lot. They do a lot more than just look pretty, they work their asses off. I easily tip close to forty or fifty percent there because so many jerks don't tip. One time, fifteen minutes before closing, a group of guys came in and ordered over 100 wings, bitched about how long it took, and tipped the girl less than a dollar.
Some people need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Coworkers tried to convince me to jerk off in the wings before deep frying them, and they were serious. But something about raw poultry is not a turn on.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#28
If you are a server at a full time restaurant, the hourly minimum (depending on each state) is $2.13 an hour. And the whatever the server claims (into the computer when they cash out) is what they take taxes out of-- which is taken from paycheck. They earn their money from tips and pay their taxes from the checks.

Theres a little more to it, but im on my phone and dont feel like typing out. Google it, itll explain better.

Edit:
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
There i think that link has it.
WA minimum wage is $8.67

Hourly minimum for a job with tips is...$8.67

I stand corrected when it comes to Ray, though. I was wrong in assuming that the US didn't have such shitty states as the one he lives in and probably you live in. Sorry about that.

Also, one last thing about tipping. In all my years of going into service establishments, I never made hell for a waitress/bartender. Hell, I made it super easy. When I told a hairdresser to do a 3 on the sides and clean it up up top and she did a three up top and turned me into a Nazi looking motherfucker, I didn't even complain. I fucking just took it like a man and went home and cried. Not really, but point is, I completely let her off the hook. No one worked hard for me. Why should I subsidize picky idiots? I never ordered 100 wings. I never told them the steak wasn't cooked enough. I never complained about a drink. In fact, the worst thing is when they come around every 5 minutes asking how I'm doing. I'D BE DOING BETTER IF YOU LEFT ME THE FUCK ALONE BITCH.

They talk about tort reform. tax reform. we need tip reform. pay these cocksuckers enough so I don't have to tip them.
 

raywaters11

Well-Known Member
#30
Kentucky - $2.35 hourly circa 2006
Michigan - $2.65 hourly
California - All I could find was "between 2-3 dollars hourly"
Texas - Two dollars and some change.
Florida - One girl claimed she makes a whopping $4.25 hourly.
I guess every state is "shitty," eh? I obviously didn't go through every state. I also went to Hooters in Mexico, guess I should have asked how many pesos they make an hour (I know they charged $2 to use the toilet if you weren't ordering food) Go to Hooters and
ask an employee what she makes hourly. Note: Cooks get paid well above minimum wage.

And I agree - if she asks repeatedly if you need anything it starts to get annoying. Or trying to refill your drink while it's obviously barely been touched. Still better than bad service - but not much better.
 

Ristol

New York's Ambassador
#31
Waiters and waitresses have to strike a nice balance. Don't annoy me by coming back every three minutes, but keep an eye on me and be there when I need you.

It's kind of what I do with SOFI.
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#32
So I understand where it's coming from now. Here waitresses earn more than a minimum wage and there are no separate minimum wages.
So a waitress will earn about as much as a policeman, builder or fireman, which all earn a bit more than the minimum wage at the lowest level.

I don't understand how it's possible to pay someone less because there are tips too, that's retarded.
It sounds all much better owning a restaurant there. You can spam-hire a few dozen of waitresses for the price of a few here.
 

Cooper

Well-Known Member
#33
^not possible. you have to get paid at least minimum wage. most places (unless the pay is higher) are minimum wage + tips. no place is less than minimum wage. if so, and you have legal documents, you're in for some lawsuit cheese.
I though tips could be counted towards the minimum wage? Are they taxable?
 

Ristol

New York's Ambassador
#34
From the internets, regarding the federal minimum wage:

A tipped employee is one who customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees. Georgia does not.

If an employer wants to use the tip credit allowance, the employer must:

1. Inform each tipped employee about the tip credit allowance before applying it to the employee;

2. Be able to show that the employee receives at least minimum wage when direct wages and tips actually earned are combined. This means keeping accurate records of the tips and wages; and

3. Allow the tipped employee to keep all tips (unless the employee participates in a valid tip pooling arrangement with other tipped employees). Under no circumstances is the employer permitted to keep any part of the tips.

Importantly, if the combined amount of tips and actual wages is less than minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many employers do not make up the difference, and are therefore unable to claim the tip credit allowance.

In addition, it is common for employees to engage in both tip producing work and work that produces no tips. For example, a waiter or waitress may wait tables all shift and then have kitchen cleaning duties after the restaurant closes. As the waiter/waitress has no ability to earn tips while cleaning the kitchen, the tip credit allowance cannot be taken for the hours spent cleaning the kitchen. For these hours, minimum wage must be paid.

Further, under no circumstances may a non-exempt employee be paid tips only, no matter how much in tips may be earned. This is a common violation of the FLSA.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#35
Only tips that are reported are taxable, I think. If you make $200 a night in tips, you should legally report all of it. Most just report about 30% of it. You have to make a certain percentage, otherwise your establishment has to reimburse you. If you continually serve $100 worth of food per table, yet only make $5 (5%) in tips, on average, your restaurant has to pay you the difference and bring you to the point of if you were paid minimum wage for the hours you worked.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#36
Kentucky - $2.35 hourly circa 2006
Michigan - $2.65 hourly
California - All I could find was "between 2-3 dollars hourly"
Texas - Two dollars and some change.
Florida - One girl claimed she makes a whopping $4.25 hourly.
I guess every state is "shitty," eh? I obviously didn't go through every state. I also went to Hooters in Mexico, guess I should have asked how many pesos they make an hour (I know they charged $2 to use the toilet if you weren't ordering food) Go to Hooters and
ask an employee what she makes hourly. Note: Cooks get paid well above minimum wage.

And I agree - if she asks repeatedly if you need anything it starts to get annoying. Or trying to refill your drink while it's obviously barely been touched. Still better than bad service - but not much better.
Actually, all those states do suck lol. I'd let Texas off the hook thanks to Perry's bullshit non-existent Texas Miracle, but any state with cheap housing is a shitty state because well, you get the point, few want to live there. :p

But I don't want to be a dick. I honestly didn't know about that law regarding tipped employees because here I never heard of it. I knew that tips get taxed but what waiters do is simply report the bare minimum for tax purposes and that's it. My heart goes out to them. I met a group of girls last night who work at a relatively nice restaurant/lounge downtown. My friend is dating one of them and tells me they're making over 4 grand a month.

Funny note regarding Hooters...a girl from high school worked at a local Hooters. It closed down so she started stripping.

From the internets, regarding the federal minimum wage:

A tipped employee is one who customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees. Georgia does not.

If an employer wants to use the tip credit allowance, the employer must:

1. Inform each tipped employee about the tip credit allowance before applying it to the employee;

2. Be able to show that the employee receives at least minimum wage when direct wages and tips actually earned are combined. This means keeping accurate records of the tips and wages; and

3. Allow the tipped employee to keep all tips (unless the employee participates in a valid tip pooling arrangement with other tipped employees). Under no circumstances is the employer permitted to keep any part of the tips.

Importantly, if the combined amount of tips and actual wages is less than minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many employers do not make up the difference, and are therefore unable to claim the tip credit allowance.

In addition, it is common for employees to engage in both tip producing work and work that produces no tips. For example, a waiter or waitress may wait tables all shift and then have kitchen cleaning duties after the restaurant closes. As the waiter/waitress has no ability to earn tips while cleaning the kitchen, the tip credit allowance cannot be taken for the hours spent cleaning the kitchen. For these hours, minimum wage must be paid.

Further, under no circumstances may a non-exempt employee be paid tips only, no matter how much in tips may be earned. This is a common violation of the FLSA.
yeah, that's sad. fuck america.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#37
Actually, all those states do suck lol. I'd let Texas off the hook thanks to Perry's bullshit non-existent Texas Miracle, but any state with cheap housing is a shitty state because well, you get the point, few want to live there. :p

But I don't want to be a dick. I honestly didn't know about that law regarding tipped employees because here I never heard of it. I knew that tips get taxed but what waiters do is simply report the bare minimum for tax purposes and that's it. My heart goes out to them. I met a group of girls last night who work at a relatively nice restaurant/lounge downtown. My friend is dating one of them and tells me they're making over 4 grand a month.

Funny note regarding Hooters...a girl from high school worked at a local Hooters. It closed down so she started stripping.

yeah, that's sad. fuck america.
 

_carmi

me, myself & us
#38
%15 is standard here for tipping, I'll go over that if the service is great. I'm a good tipper overall.
Same here. I rarely tip less than 15%. I only did 2-3 times and that's because the service was BEYOND poor. One of these times, I went for breakfast and waited over 1 hour for my strawberry crepe. When I finally got it, it was hard. It's not the waitresses' fault for the wait, I can understand how other issues such as being understaffed, kitchen issues, etc. happen. BUT, I find waitresses' should be held accountable for how they handle such situations.
 

keco52

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#39
I feel cheap if I only tip 15%. I feel 20% is the new standard. I'll go as low as 15% if it's waffle house or something otherwise I tip at least 18%
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#40
Do you guys tip everywhere for food? Like, fast food joints too (wherever there are waiters)? Anywhere else? What if you are not too happy with the service because it was only average, or below average? Do you tip then?
 

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