Tiger kills Kansas teen for taking a picture

[Rukas]

Ur not goin to justify becuz u can not justify it. Tha point was tha difference between tha kid peein n tha tiger killin. Tha point is that they both don't kno wat's tha difference between right or wrong. If a trained animal peed on u, u'd beat it? Shows how much luv u hav for animals, no wonder ur tha only one wit hate for a tiger...Get ur azz kicked by a hampster back in tha day, cuzzin?

I wouldn't pee on u, I don't pee on ppl, I ain't R Kelly. U might b able to pee back on me if I did tho. Kick my azz? Na, mayne.

I can't believe u'd overlook my point. "LOL".

Skillz

Would I beat an animal? Of course. How the fuck else is it going to learn? If my dog fucks up, he gets hit with a newspaper. What’s wrong with that? You've never had a good pet have you? Do you let your dog shit on the carpet? Oh wait, you let your daddy and mommy handle the dog right? Well news flash kiddo, when you get a dog of your own, and it fucks up, you punish it so it learns. People are fundamentally the same, but judging from your net gangster mannerisms I doubt you had much luck with that one too.

Wow you're hard, lets get into the whole who can kick whose ass on the internet. Traz walk on me why dont you. Wow, hard, “cuzzin”! Throw your C up! And no i didn’t start it, you asked what I would do if someone peed on me, I answered, you took it to the net gangsta ebonics like your "azz" was too hard to kick "mayne". LOL.

And I didn’t ignore your point, you said nothing good, intelligent or new, and post like a net thug, so I chose to reply to someone else who was saying the same thing but just said it in a normal mature way.

 

[Skillz]

Would I beat an animal? Of course. How the fuck else is it going to learn? If my dog fucks up, he gets hit with a newspaper. What’s wrong with that? You've never had a good pet have you? Do you let your dog shit on the carpet? Oh wait, you let your daddy and mommy handle the dog right? Well news flash kiddo, when you get a dog of your own, and it fucks up, you punish it so it learns. People are fundamentally the same, but judging from your net gangster mannerisms I doubt you had much luck with that one too.

Wow you're hard, lets get into the whole who can kick whose ass on the internet. Traz walk on me why dont you. Wow, hard, “cuzzin”! Throw your C up! And no i didn’t start it, you asked what I would do if someone peed on me, I answered, you took it to the net gangsta ebonics like your "azz" was too hard to kick "mayne". LOL.

And I didn’t ignore your point, you said nothing good, intelligent or new, and post like a net thug, so I chose to reply to someone else who was saying the same thing but just said it in a normal mature way.

Ruk, u ain't helpin urself. I hav pets, I liv on my own, "kiddo", n hittin wit a newspaper is not "beatin". There's a difference between spankin n beatin, n beatin is causin harm. If u wanna talk, use tha right words unless u don't wanna look like a fool. N I don't let my mama n dad do anythin for me, but I'm not here to argue my personal issues since ur really ignorant of that n u will remain ignorant of that.

Punish ur dog if u want, I'd punish it. Certaintly not beat it. Net gangsta mannerisms? I think not, but u can percieve it how u want. I'm in no gang, n rep no gang, n if anythin, I'm against gangs. But like I said, I ain't tha one on trial here - but ppl tend to do that when they're losin tha argument at hand.

Well, I wouldn't hav addressed anythin bout kickin nobody's azz if u hadn't mentioned maybe kickin mine? But I didn't take it personal, it is tha net, n even if it was in person I wouldn't take it personal. But evidently u did. Ain't no C either. Cuz I say Cuzzin? I take it u never been to Cali. It's funny when even Bloods b sayin Cuzzin. So u can take tha gang thing of tha table.

U can percieve me to look like a net thug, it's all good wit me. U don't kno me. N u won't kno me. Net thug, to u, I might b, but I don't get hurt by an ignorant eye. I percieve u to be a net thug that tries to cover that act up by actin tha total opposite. Question tha sense that makes, but it's a perception. Just like ur perception on me.

But back to tha tiger - yeah, killin it is retarted.

Skillz

 

[Freedom Froggy]

now now boys

 

[Eric]

I don't like where this is going. It is like being stuck in a fight between my mother and my father

 

[not really ken]

a pedophil also cant control himself when it comes to little kids

This is the jutification that homosexuals use! That this is their nature and they can't control themselves.

Is padeophilia a congential thing? Are some people born peadophiles not being able to resist their urges for children? Do peple know better than to have sexual relations with children? A tiger has inbuilt instincts, very basic I imagine. They attack for food, self defence for violation of territory or for some other reason of self interest from which it knows no better. Not becasue it likes smooth human female ass.

Now if the tiger put its dick in the girls ass, then yes, kill it!!!


(No disrespect to the girl)

 

[Ghetto_Ghost]

Tigers, even when declawed, are extremely and inherently dangerous. Since 1990, at least six adults and two children have been killed by tigers in the United States. More than 80 others have been seriously injured in tiger maulings. Regardless of the situation, with close proximity to tigers, there is always the potential of death or serious injury. Tigers are wild animals, natural predators with hard-wired instincts. Tigers' instincts are automatic, non-restrictive and unlearned motivators of their behavior [HIGHLIGHT]which can not be trained nor tamed[/HIGHLIGHT] out of tigers.
http://www.acesanctuaries.org/Tigers.html

NOTE FOR THE FUTURE:
RESEARCH SUBJECT BEFORE YOU ARGUE

Now Rukas, you can hit him over the head with a newspaper but i doubt that will help you.

 

[Duke]

Not behavioral characteristics, no. Had a dog been born in the wild it would naturally become wild, yet born in captivity it is trained from an early age not to be wild. The same thing goes with Tigers, it doesn’t “know” how to be wild because it never has been. Its never had to hunt, ect ect. For this tiger, being around humans is normal because it has been around them for its whole life, it doesn’t know how to be free and doesn’t know how to be wild.

I don't fully agree with you on this, but since i'm not a biologist (and to the best of my knowledge, neither are you ) i won't further the "tiger vs dog instincts" part. I agree with you when you say when an animal like a tiger has been raised from a cub around humans, it's more natural for them. But even then, instincts are hard to surpress. Long since domesticated also attack humans from time to time, be it for whatever reason. The difference between a puttytat and a tiger is that the tiger kills you when it's pissed off. You can surpress most natural behaviour in (any?) animal with good training, but you can never surpress instincts. It may not "know" how to be wild and free, but it certainly knows how to be a big tiger. And when an animal like a tiger resorts to it's instincts, basically put, the people close to it are screwed.

Of course its the tigers fault. No one else did it, the tiger did it. Whether or not he wanted to kill her or just kiss her is irrelevant. Whether or not he had some sort of tiger rational is irrelevant. We're not discussing motive, we're discussing the act. Did the tiger kill the girl? Yes. Thus only the tiger can be held responsible. It didnt kill the girl by accident; it is the tigers fault. Now they are trying to find the reason WHY it attacked with the autopsy.

So when a motorist accidently kills a pedestrian, we should kill the motorist? I know you're not meaning that exactly (i hope not anyway), but i struggle to see your logic here. It's not that simple black and white as you make it seem. You're not advocating the direct killing of anything and anyone that killed something else, intentionally or not, are you?

Well I assume that the tiger has been trained to be nice to humans and punished as a cub for scratching or biting, so he probably did know the consequences of his actions just like a dog that pees on the rug and then cowers in the corner knows it did wrong.

So? It is still a big carnivore. It still has deeply rooted instinct humans can't train out with 10 years of nice words and hunks of meat. Whether it knew, at the moment, that it was wrong or not remains to be seen, probably only the tiger knew. But i think it's inherently wrong to blame the tiger for doing simply what tigers do. Something provoked it to attack, and because it's such a big and predatory animal, that's simply incredibly dangerous.

Training a tiger, even from infancy, is something wholly different than training a dog, cat or gopher.

Did a little search on AskJeeves and found this. Highlighted points of interest:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2089389/

On Friday, Roy Horn of Siegfried & Roy was violently mauled by one of his trained tigers; he remains in critical condition. The next day New York City police captured a 400-pound Bengal tiger that had apparently been raised from a cub in a five-bedroom Harlem apartment. How do you raise and train a tiger?

It's best to start as young as possible, so your tiger gets used to you: Cubs are born with claws and baby teeth that are sharp enough to cause injury, and they begin to practice life skills such as stalking and pouncing as early as 1 month old, when they weigh around 10 pounds. If a mother tiger isn't available, cubs should be bottle-fed for five to eight weeks on a mixture of milk-replacements and various animal tissues to simulate their natural diet. After that, it's on to a carnivorous meal plan (a grown tiger eats about $150 worth of meat each week). It's important to feed a tiger all parts of an animal—including brains, hair, and stomach—or appropriate supplements to keep its digestive system in good shape.

Tigers, like children and dogs, can be taught to modify their behavior through the skilled application of reward and discipline. Less scrupulous trainers sometimes rely on violent measures, but most get the big cats to behave primarily by providing or withholding food. (Some trainers prefer their tigers fed and docile; others find them more responsive if they're hungry and on edge.) Whatever the teaching system employed, good trainers take care to reinforce their lessons constantly, and they also work to "socialize" their tigers, so the cats become accustomed to different people and places. Siegfried & Roy always had several tigers in the wings at their shows, so the animals would get used to the stress and bustle of the stage.


But no matter how docile a tiger becomes, you can never train away its predatory responses. The tiger that mauled Horn seems to have perceived a critical weakness in him. When Horn tapped the cat on the nose with his microphone to get its attention, it batted his arm. Horn stumbled, and that momentary opening may have triggered the tiger's lunge for his jugular. "If you fell down and hit your head, they would dine on you," says professional trainer Hayden Losenaur. He asserted that tigers professionally managed by skilled trainers are quite safe, but "they don't make good pets, and keeping them in an apartment is just insanity."

When Harlem resident Antoine Yates began bottle-feeding the tiger cub he had somehow acquired, he may not have realized what he was getting into. Ming, his pet, is a mix of the two largest subspecies of tiger, the Bengal, around 450 pounds, and the Siberian, which can weigh up to 700, which may be why a sniper had to rappel down the side of a building to tranquilize the 400-pound creature.

One of the lesser-known challenges of owning a tiger may be fulfilling all the legal requirements. In addition to federal permits required to privately own members of an endangered species, many states and counties have their own laws for tiger owners. One trainer explained that he was not allowed to keep his pet tiger near schools, churches, or campgrounds, and that regulations even stipulate the depth of the concrete in which his perimeter fence is anchored. Acquiring permits to keep a tiger legally in a heavily regulated area like New York City could cost up to $50,000 in licensing fees alone.

This article more or less says what i'm thinking. Can you train tigers? Sure you can. On that we agree But because it's a 500 pound predator with deeply rooted instincts, it will always be a dangerous and rather unpredictable animal. And in my mind, i can't blame the tiger for that.

Found another little something:

http://www.chinats.com/guangzhou/guangzhou712.htm

Ms. Li, Du's wife said perhaps the camouflage coat her husband wore has irritated the five month old cub

The beasties may be set off by whatever, because the instincts are still there.

Oh definitely, someone needs to be held responsible, better measures should have been taken. But because they werent, doesnt mean the tiger was right for attacking the girl.

Agreed. I don't support tigers killing 17 year old girls, lol. But i wholeheartedly disagree with people killing the tiger afterwards