This irks me

[Da_Funk]

Well this thread got blown way the fuck out of proportion.

 

[Ristol]

Well this thread got blown way the fuck out of proportion.

Whaaa? NEVER.

 

[Pittsey]

to the above notions I think its ridiculous maybe this is actually in line to what another poster was saying
but I think its ridiculous for someone to consider religious discrimination to be acceptable bc the religious person doesnt have to be religious

Religious discrimination and religious debate are completely different. You can't debate someone's skin colour or creed.

 

[S O F I]

The Holocaust doesn't still happen every day.

the fact of the matter is, there are things you find funny and things you find not funny and insulting. there are no morally superior reasons for this and we all rationalize our sense of humor in ways that make sense to us. to me, the fact that the holocaust doesn't happen every day and rape does doesn't mean rape jokes are not funny and the holocaust is. that's an artificial, empty reason. but to you it may be different. so, in the end, the big point is, don't heckle the comedian, just don't go to his shows. same applies to threads in here. just stay out of the thread.

 

[dilla]

As Funk has pointed out already, religion is a choice. A belief.

Race is not.

Therein lies the difference.

Have you heard the quote "religion is the opium of the people?" Do you agree?

 

[Pittsey]

If, I, or someone close to me got raped. I'd probably stop finding rape jokes funny....

 

[vg4030]

Have you heard the quote "religion is the opium of the people?" Do you agree?

Heroin is my opium

 

[EDouble]

Religious discrimination and religious debate are completely different. You can't debate someone's skin colour or creed.

i clarified a while back that criticizing organized religion isnt necessarily discrimination
but I pointed out how it can be discrimination, how targeting a specific religion can be discrimination, and how religious discrimination and racial discrimination of people are both discrimination & one or the other should not be dismissed or taken more lightly

 

[Ristol]

You're all kinda being little bitches. Just ASKING to be raped at this point. Hey wouldn't it be funny...

 

[Pittsey]

i clarified a while back that criticizing organized religion isnt necessarily discrimination
but I pointed out how it can be discrimination, how targeting a specific religion can be discrimination, and how religious discrimination and racial discrimination of people are both discrimination & one or the other should not be dismissed or taken more lightly

Maybe Religion shouldn't put itself out there as a target then?

Maybe they should sort out the elitism, corruption, abuse, child rape and misogynistic attitudes and people might not call their followers a bunch of delusional, brain washed spastics.

Just a thought.

 

[Ristol]

Maybe Religion shouldn't put itself out there as a target then?

Maybe they should sort out the elitism, corruption, abuse, child rape and misogynistic attitudes and people might not call their followers a bunch of delusional, brain washed spastics.

Just a thought.

Whoa Pitts pretty risky territory on this board

 

[EDouble]

obviously discrimination can come from within religious communities & from outside, just as the dynamic is for racial discrimination

but for people discriminating based on problems of a churchs operation for example would just be another excuse
racial discrimination politics in many locations in the world use the excuse of "if only they weren't", "we wouldn't have (to discriminate)."

people not even detailing a specific religion at times are criticized
some of the reasoning goes its more for religion than for the faith, that they are criticizing but it almost dismisses the fact that without faith there would be no religion. religions do promote faith, a specific faith, but the point is proven in the peoples who don't belong to a religion but hold beliefs
beliefs that are enough for some to be religious
and therefore enough for some to warrant religious discrimination

 

[Pittsey]

Whoa Pitts pretty risky territory on this board

Not my opinions. I'm just reporting the news.

 

[Casey]

If, I, or someone close to me got raped. I'd probably stop finding rape jokes funny....

That was the subtext I was trying to get across, but I didn't want to have to spell it out. And no, I haven't been raped, neither would I find it funny if any of you suggested it (I figured I'd add that addendum because some of you are very predictable).

So yeah, maybe that's what it boils down to - if you live in the real world and deal with real issues then you may know one, or multiple rape victims and wouldn't find it funny.

Perhaps the people that find minstrel-pictures the funniest are people who don't know any black people that have been the victims of serious racism. I'm sure the KKK would find those pictures very amusing.

But to get back to the actual issue, I think when someone leaves the board after a DECADE because of racism it should perhaps be treated more seriously than just saying the person "doesn't get the humor". And perhaps we should focus on that rather than picking the issue apart and descending into minutiae.

Have you heard the quote "religion is the opium of the people?" Do you agree?

I'm intimately familiar with the work of Marx. That soundbite, that paraphrase is generally quoted both out of context and without regard for the full sentence:

""Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"."

Also, it fails to take into account the varying meanings and social contexts of the word opium as it was understood at the time.

And frankly, on it's own even that sentence is misleading, because it still lacks the context of the surrounding paragraphs. Allow me.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.

It is, therefore, the task of history, once the other-world of truth has vanished, to establish the truth of this world. It is the immediate task of philosophy, which is in the service of history, to unmask self-estrangement in its unholy forms once the holy form of human self-estrangement has been unmasked. Thus, the criticism of Heaven turns into the criticism of Earth, the criticism of religion into the criticism of law, and the criticism of theology into the criticism of politics.

I have thoughts on the full paragraph and how it relates to different schools and interpretations of Marxist theory, but I can't answer your question because I don't have any thoughts on out-of-context soundbite misnomers.

 

[EDouble]

Whoa Pitts pretty risky territory on this board

ironic bc I dont know of any active poster that would defend religion

 

[Jokerman]

I always thought opium was the "opium" of the people.

Did you know pizza is the "pizza" of the people? (Say that fast 3 times)

 

[vg4030]

I always thought opium was the "opium" of the people.

Did you know pizza is the "pizza" of the people? (Say that fast 3 times)

Pizza is the pizza of the people...
Pizza is the pizza of the people..
I want to suck some cock...

WOAH!!! Mind officially blown!!!

 

[S O F I]

HAHAHAH.

 

[Pittsey]

That was the subtext I was trying to get across, but I didn't want to have to spell it out. And no, I haven't been raped, neither would I find it funny if any of you suggested it (I figured I'd add that addendum because some of you are very predictable).

So yeah, maybe that's what it boils down to - if you live in the real world and deal with real issues then you may know one, or multiple rape victims and wouldn't find it funny.

Perhaps the people that find minstrel-pictures the funniest are people who don't know any black people that have been the victims of serious racism. I'm sure the KKK would find those pictures very amusing.

I also laugh at jokes about serious conditions that do affect me and people around me directly though. If it's funny, it's funny. Sometimes you have to laugh just because it's so offensive. You laugh at first, and then you go wooooooaaaaaaaahhhhh. Because your brain realises just how bad it was. What can I say, the human mind is fucked up.

 

[Da_Funk]

I also laugh at jokes about serious conditions that do affect me and people around me directly though. If it's funny, it's funny. Sometimes you have to laugh just because it's so offensive. You laugh at first, and then you go wooooooaaaaaaaahhhhh. Because your brain realises just how bad it was. What can I say, the human mind is fucked up.

Nah, I'm the same. Whenever things go bad I usually burst out laughing at how fucked up the situation is. I figure if you can't laugh at it, you're lost.

Also, I've never encountered anything that offends me. It's more like, the stupidity behind the "offensive' behaviour gets under my skin.