the most sickening thing about underground hip-hop

[Preach]

picture or it didnt happen

 

[roaches]

what's cheaper - a guitar or two turntables, a mixer, a crate full of records, and a booming system?

how much do samplers cost?

on the other hand, what role did the decline of funding for music/art education have?

it's not simple.

 

[Prize Gotti]

You should go learn some history.

Probably start with Apache. Then move onto The Honey Drippers, maybe Big Beat, you can throw some Bob James in there, can't forget James Brown. Lyn Collins, Isaac Hayes, Melvin Bliss, Sly & The Family Stone, ESG, and so on and so on and so on. Realize this music you are making wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the sample.

The first rap single to feature sampling was "Rapper's Delight" by Sugar Hill Gang in 1979, Hip Hop was around before that. Maybe Im not the one that needs history lessons.

Nah it was cause DJ Kool Herc had his roots in Jamaica (which is why there's a similarity between reggae and rap) and he took a sample and made it danceable. That's right, Hip-Hop music started as dance music. Lil Jon = pure Hip-Hop (that's directed to the elitist, pretentious fuckers)

Herc developed the use of "Breaks" from Funk records, which is a DJ technique, not a production technique. Still Hip Hop started on the Funk scene before Herc was using Breaks.

 

[Preach]

what's cheaper - a guitar or two turntables, a mixer, a crate full of records, and a booming system?

how much do samplers cost?

on the other hand, what role did the decline of funding for music/art education have?

it's not simple.

well to make a song they would still need all the stuff you mentioned, minus the turntables, plus the guitar. but that's just one instrument so they'd have to get a bass guitar too. microphones to record with. preamps. so a turntable and cheap records would indeed be the cheapest long run solution if you want to make tracks with variation. you don't even need a crate full of records, see: doom

 

[ARon]

The first rap single to feature sampling was "Rapper's Delight" by Sugar Hill Gang in 1979, Hip Hop was around before that. Maybe Im not the one that needs history lessons.

I'm talkin bout breaks man. I don't see where you are trying to go with the Rapper's Delight being the first single to use a sample and then saying Hip-Hop was around before that.....no shit.



I don't like that tracing is easier than drawing analogy either. To me that makes it sound like they are taking a whole song and pretty much making a cover of it which aint the case, sometimes maybe. Chopping up a sample aint the same as tracing to me, it's like you traced a drawing of a person and put his arm where his leg should be and other sorts of crazy shit and then added your own parts also.

 

[roaches]

I don't like that tracing is easier than drawing analogy either. To me that makes it sound like they are taking a whole song and pretty much making a cover of it which aint the case, sometimes maybe. Chopping up a sample aint the same as tracing to me, it's like you traced a drawing of a person and put his arm where his leg should be and other sorts of crazy shit and then added your own parts also.

I was referring to dude saying "Through the Wire" isn't dope because some guy was able to recreate it.

 

[ARon]

^Oh, well call me a bastard then. I shouldn't have doubted you oh mighty one lol

 

[Pittsey]

i agree with the analogy too sorta, but i don't think the reason why people sample is that it's necessarily "easier" (and when chopping, it is not always). hiphop was built on the concept of sampling, and if i were to assume i gotta guess that's because when hiphop was born it was mostly practiced by poor black folks who didn't own instruments or play any for that matter. piano lessons in the ghetto? a sample to hiphop is like a guitar to rock. it's part of the core.

I thought the Ananlagy meant it's easier to recreate a beat... Than it is to create it from scratch....

 

[roaches]

you don't even need a crate full of records, see: doom

I don't get it.

 

[Preach]

^Oh, well call me a bastard then. I shouldn't have doubted you oh mighty one lol

:thumb: lol it's my second time in this thread. apology rep coming up, roaches.

doom had limited sound libraries to make his first album from. it's still a classic hiphop album that is highly regarded.

 

[7 Syns]

What are you on about roaches? 1stly, Pharoahe Monch's Desire was top shelf. I believe he rhymed like he wanted to and that's really all that matters considering the music itself was lush and I quite liked it. I think he should work with BlackMilk more though.

2ndly, nothing wrong with songs dedicated at women. Some are classics even eg. O.C's Can't Go Wrong or Masta Killa's Queen. Almost every artist do songs specially catered for the ladies and that won't change.

3rdly, I do agree to some extent though when the artist butchers those sorts of songs. So I dunno. I agree with you, but I disagree with you more.

peac3.

 

[Mr.Deuce]

Most rap songs directed at women are crap,

*bumps "keep ya head up"*

 

[Preach]

*bumps "keep ya head up"*

what's your point lol? that's one song out of maybe four thousand. his point still stands.

 

[roaches]

2ndly, nothing wrong with songs dedicated at women.

There's a difference between making a good song about women and one that makes you sound like you don't have any testicles over a nap-time beat.