T.I

[ill-matic]

...is killing shit left, right and centre.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

No wonder hes in jail.

 

[Jeremy]

lmao. Yeah I like his new mixtape.

 

[Caesar]

Has been for a very long time. Didnt you used to hate on him illmatic?

 

[S O F I]

Kanye is killing this year, though.

 

[Jeremy]

Kanye is killing this year, though.

how? His singing auto tune bullshit?

 

[S O F I]

the features he's been on, murked all of them.

he murked the clipse on their own shit...that aint no easy task.

 

[roaches]

jeezy better.

he murked the clipse on their own shit...

...how?

 

[Da_Funk]

^I was just going to say, Jeezy > T.I. I'm not much of a T.I. fan, I find that I have a hard time hearing what he's saying through his thick accent. Dead and Gone is a prime example of this.

Where is Kanye killing shit? I don't think I've ever heard Kanye "kill" a song.

 

[S O F I]

jeezy better.

...how?

because he had the hotter verse and flow of course.


the clipse were just their average self, he stepped it up a notch.

da funk, see kinda like a big deal.

 

[roaches]

because he had the hotter verse and flow of course.

i completely disagree - perception of flow is ultimately subjective, i suppose, but verses? kanye came better than *his* avg, but better than pusha?

(c&ped from a google result):

I'm kinda like a big deal
It's unbelievable you see my warning gives you big chills
The flow runnin' on Big's heels
My life after death, Big ain't get to see how this feels
Third time's a charm baby
After two classics another stripe up on my arm baby
It's a blessin' to blow a hundred thou- in a recession
With no second guessin'
Haha we're ballin, drop tops we're floorin'
Champagne we're pourin'
Re-up is the gang and I'm all in!
To the powder and the flame I have fallin'
Get money blow money is my callin'
Yeah! Watch a n---a burn through it
Life's a maze, you twist and you turn through it
The driest of droughts, maneuvered and I earned through it
I'm set straight like a perm do it, Push!

vs.

Ay yo I'm sittin on top of the-
It's more than a feeling ain't it?
I be killin' damn it, I'm illin' I'm illin'-
Eh eh eh meet Mr. Popular
Go get your binoculars
And see Penthouse 3 where a n----a be
Spittin' fire on the PJ in my PJ's
Fire Marshall said I took it to the Max like TJ
Yea people I said Marshalls we play
I guess I'm like the Black Marshall meets Jay
Meet Ye' alligator souffle, had it made
Special Ed got head from a girl in Special Ed
Ya know the pretty ones in that dumb class
But she got that dumb ass
Hit high school and got pregnant dumb fast
What happen Tisha, your boyfriend come fast?
Turn around gimme pound like we folks
Hell no I went raw dog three strokes

I don't see it at all. Care to break it down?

 

[Chronic]

Eh yo 'Ye, stick to producin'

 

[S O F I]

i completely disagree - perception of flow is ultimately subjective, i suppose, but verses? kanye came better than *his* avg, but better than pusha?

(c&ped from a google result):

I'm kinda like a big deal
It's unbelievable you see my warning gives you big chills
The flow runnin' on Big's heels
My life after death, Big ain't get to see how this feels
Third time's a charm baby
After two classics another stripe up on my arm baby
It's a blessin' to blow a hundred thou- in a recession
With no second guessin'
Haha we're ballin, drop tops we're floorin'
Champagne we're pourin'
Re-up is the gang and I'm all in!
To the powder and the flame I have fallin'
Get money blow money is my callin'
Yeah! Watch a n---a burn through it
Life's a maze, you twist and you turn through it
The driest of droughts, maneuvered and I earned through it
I'm set straight like a perm do it, Push!

vs.

Ay yo I'm sittin on top of the-
It's more than a feeling ain't it?
I be killin' damn it, I'm illin' I'm illin'-
Eh eh eh meet Mr. Popular
Go get your binoculars
And see Penthouse 3 where a n----a be
Spittin' fire on the PJ in my PJ's
Fire Marshall said I took it to the Max like TJ
Yea people I said Marshalls we play
I guess I'm like the Black Marshall meets Jay
Meet Ye' alligator souffle, had it made
Special Ed got head from a girl in Special Ed
Ya know the pretty ones in that dumb class
But she got that dumb ass
Hit high school and got pregnant dumb fast
What happen Tisha, your boyfriend come fast?
Turn around gimme pound like we folks
Hell no I went raw dog three strokes

I don't see it at all. Care to break it down?

lyrics are just as subjective...the only interesting part about pusha's verse to me is the little Biggie wordplay he has going on. everything else is just "ok, cool". again, i'm not knocking the verse because that's almost vintage pusha but it lacks the coke pictures aside from the drought mention...

for me i like kanye's more because he says he's kinda like the black marshall meets jay...he actually namedrops Marshalls and TJ Maxx on a track...who does that...the way he uses special ed to mean special edition and special education...talking about a special ed girl with a nice ass...the way he starts the verse off and just captures your attention.

I don't care about the technicality of the lyrics but just what sounds cooler to me.

 

[roaches]

...yea, that's what i figgered.

 

[S O F I]

why do you think pusha t and malice came harder?

the wordplay was just OK and the coke references were mediocre compared to their other efforts.

 

[Da_Funk]

^Imo the first verse roaches posted shits on Kanye's. The coke references don't mean much to me as I've heard like maybe 4 or 5 Clipse songs in my life, Kinda like a Big deal being the only one I remember. Kanye's flow doesn't do it for me and again, I can't stand his voice.

 

[S O F I]

^yeah but you never liked kanye (stated like 10 times you can't stand his voice) so you're completely biased..

 

[roaches]

jeezy truly is a prophet. it comes down to wordplay and bird play. anyway, when it comes to the lyrics:

1. it's the intended radio single, so obviously the drug talk is toned down. if you listen to a clipse song expecting x amount of coke talk, i guess that'd be a letdown, but i'm pretty sure you knew who the clipse were before they became hipster darlings, sofi, and you're better than that.

2. as far as the wordplay goes... if three rappers are on the same song, i hold each of their verses to the same standard.

to me, this is the meat of kanye's verse:

"...Spittin' fire on the PJ in my PJ's
Fire Marshall said I took it to the Max like TJ
Yea people I said Marshalls we play
I guess I'm like the Black Marshall meets Jay
Meet Ye' alligator souffle, had it made
Special Ed got head from a girl in Special Ed..."

* monosyllabic rhyming (nothing wrong with that, i'm just noting what i hear)
* repetition of the same word, multiple meanings:
- marshall as in the guy who shuts down the club, the store, and the white rapper
- PJs as in pajamas, projects,
- special ed as in the rapper, not-quite-retarded schoolchildren

i'll agree that the best stretch of pusha's verse is the biggie reference:

"It's unbelievable you see my warning gives you big chills
The flow runnin' on Big's heels
My life after death, Big ain't get to see how this feels
Third time's a charm baby
After two classics another stripe up on my arm baby"

* "it's UNBELIEVABLE how my WARNING gives you BIG chills" - self-explanatory
* biggie didn't get to experience LAD's release
* he also didn't get to experience a third album

the references in pusha's verse have added layers of meaning - kanye's are just puns.

 

[roaches]

nevermind, apparently THIS is the official single:

CLIPSE-I'm-Good-www.COMPLEX.com.mp3

i'm ambivalent after one listen.

 

[S O F I]

jeezy truly is a prophet. it comes down to wordplay and bird play. anyway, when it comes to the lyrics:

1. it's the intended radio single, so obviously the drug talk is toned down. if you listen to a clipse song expecting x amount of coke talk, i guess that'd be a letdown, but i'm pretty sure you knew who the clipse were before they became hipster darlings, sofi, and you're better than that.

2. as far as the wordplay goes... if three rappers are on the same song, i hold each of their verses to the same standard.

to me, this is the meat of kanye's verse:

"...Spittin' fire on the PJ in my PJ's
Fire Marshall said I took it to the Max like TJ
Yea people I said Marshalls we play
I guess I'm like the Black Marshall meets Jay
Meet Ye' alligator souffle, had it made
Special Ed got head from a girl in Special Ed..."

* monosyllabic rhyming (nothing wrong with that, i'm just noting what i hear)
* repetition of the same word, multiple meanings:
- marshall as in the guy who shuts down the club, the store, and the white rapper
- PJs as in pajamas, projects,
- special ed as in the rapper, not-quite-retarded schoolchildren

i'll agree that the best stretch of pusha's verse is the biggie reference:

"It's unbelievable you see my warning gives you big chills
The flow runnin' on Big's heels
My life after death, Big ain't get to see how this feels
Third time's a charm baby
After two classics another stripe up on my arm baby"

* "it's UNBELIEVABLE how my WARNING gives you BIG chills" - self-explanatory
* biggie didn't get to experience LAD's release
* he also didn't get to experience a third album

the references in pusha's verse have added layers of meaning - kanye's are just puns.

but he has nothing going for him the rest of the verse. I don't see layers of meaning in something like "it's a blessing, to blow a hundred thou in a recession, with no second guessin" and so on. If you worked hard at it, you could, but then I'd refer you to the Tupac Death theories section of this board. I'm actually feeling Malice more on the song.

With Pusha, you always expect him to come correct but when you see Kanye step his game up, you gotta appreciate that more man.