Spain Legalises Gay Marriage

[Duke]

of course i was not talking about marriage at the registry office!

Which is also marriage.




Originally marriage was a religious union between man and woman.

About a damn century ago. Times change. People change. Some words remain. Marriage is still called marriage but to most it's lost it's original meaning. There are tons of atheist people getting married everyday. I hear no complaining about that.

That's hypocrisy at it's finest.




THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE ARE AGAINST GAYS MARRYING, AND GAYS ALONE, IS BECAUSE IT'S COOL TO HATE ON GAYS


Which is very pathetic if one asks me.


And uh, Illuminitti, can you point out to me what rights heterosexual couples have in Holland that homosexual ones haven't got? As far as i know they're every bit the same.

 

[Sebastian]

your an idiot who can't even grasp berReals point which is truth.

thx ken

Which is also marriage.

i know. i didnt say it is not.

Originally marriage was a religious union between man and woman.

About a damn century ago. Times change. People change. Some words remain. Marriage is still called marriage but to most it's lost it's original meaning. There are tons of atheist people getting married everyday. I hear no complaining about that.

That's hypocrisy at it's finest.

there is my complain:

well theoretically a non-religious person shouldnt marry or at least it doesnt seem to make much sense.

marriage is basically undeniable connected with god/faith/religion. if you want to marry you ask for the blessing of god, that he will protect the marriage or something (im not sure about it). so if you dont believe in god, it seems illogical.

THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE ARE AGAINST GAYS MARRYING, AND GAYS ALONE, IS BECAUSE IT'S COOL TO HATE ON GAYS

Which is very pathetic if one asks me.

no! did you read what ive written? thats obviously not my reason....

 

[Duke]

thx ken



i know. i didnt say it is not.




there is my complain:







no! did you read what ive written? thats obviously not my reason....

My post wasn't aimed at you. Although i quoted you, that was just because you said you weren't talking about such and such marriage when such and such marriage is marriage just as well. Your reasons for being against same sex marriage are rather valid. We can argue for a century about it, but you're Christian, i'm not, so we'll never agree on it. And that's fine, i have no qualms whatsoever with a Christian being against gay marriage AND against any other form of marriage that isnt between a Christian man and woman, because that's how it should be for you people.

What i dislike are a lot of people who are against same sex marriage that you don't hear complaining about non-religious people marrying. WHich i find preposterous.

Want to keep marriage a purely religious union? Excellent, then anyone who doesn't believe can't get married. Legal union, fine, but not marriage.


If gays can't get "married" because that's not the moral Christian thing to do, a full fledged atheist sure as fucking hell shouldnt be able to get married.

It's the hypocrisy that makes my blood boil.

 

[Sebastian]

If gays can't get "married" because that's not the moral Christian thing to do, a full fledged atheist sure as fucking hell shouldnt be able to get married.

right but how do you want to prove if someone is an atheist or not? i mean, lets say two atheists want to marry, for whatever reason (but no religious one). so they pretend to be religious...and now?

edit: what if, lets say, the woman is religious and her partner isnt. so she wants to marry because of "religious reasons" and her partner sees it as something like a sign of confidence......should they be able to marry?

and just to point it out, im no christian...im an atheist

 

[Duke]

right but how do you want to prove if someone is an atheist or not? i mean, lets say two atheists want to marry, for whatever reason (but no religious one). so they pretend to be religious...and now?

edit: what if, lets say, the woman is religious and her partner isnt. so she wants to marry because of "religious reasons" and her partner sees it as something like a sign of confidence......should they be able to marry?

and just to point it out, im no christian...im an atheist

You're not? Hehe, i thought so from your post. I could've remebered from earlier posts you aren't religious.

Regardless, interesting questions, I can't answer those just like that.

Personally, i don't care. Let 'em get married. Whether one believes, both or none. Whether straight, gay or bisexual. But all the people that are against gay marriage and say that it's a partially religious bonding and as such it wouldn't be right for gays to get married, never whine about non religious people getting married. That's what annoys me. Feel me what i'm saying? I'd say, be consistent. Don't deny one group on false grounds.

 

[Sebastian]

But all the people that are against gay marriage and say that it's a partially religious bonding and as such it wouldn't be right for gays to get married, never whine about non religious people getting married. That's what annoys me. Feel me what i'm saying? I'd say, be consistent. Don't deny one group on false grounds.

yes, i totally agree.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

oh and ken, could you stop debating about off-topic things with CoolWaterz? i dont think we need any name calling in here.....so could you please delete all the posts? thx

I second this. You two went off with multiple posting too.

I do wonder why it got so heated so quickly, speaking about one another personally & such, do you even know each other?

 

[not really ken]

I do wonder why it got so heated so quickly, speaking about one another personally & such, do you even know each other?

No, I don't know that fool, but he keeps wanting me to say something that rings true about his life! Which is a little difficult since I don't know or wanna know him. He seems to think he has my life figured out though. And he is overly obsessed with me as well. Look at how long his multiple posts are in relation to me and he keeps on editing them as well, just so that they are fully done before they get to me.
Disturbing views are underlined in what he's saying to me! So I rest my case with the nut, I don't want to be reading an essay from him next. If he put as much research into his own self betterment than these posts he's making at me then maybe he wouldn't be such a waste of oxygen. YOu can close dictionary.com and stop spending so much time constructing and then editing your posts for me.

live your own fucking life.

^Follow your own advice.

"Rank hatred has appeared from their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is much worse"

 

[CoolWaterz]

If he put as much research into his own self betterment than these posts he's making at me then maybe he wouldn't be such a waste of oxygen. YOu can close dictionary.com and stop spending so much time constructing and then editing your posts for me.

believe me, i analyze my own actions just as much as everyone elses. And no, i dont spend much time constructing my criticisms and i surely dont use dictionary.com if there is such a site. Im a smart motherfucke simple as that..the editing came because some posts were even more evil than the edited ones.

Just wanted to debate with you Ken.
And also dont like this thread in general because i dont see why anyone makes marriages seem so sanctimoneous(spelling?) when half of them fail, over half end in infidelity, some are arranged like kens to strangers, who are we to say gay people cant get married.

And while I dont like people who flaunt their gayness around, i dont like anyone who shoves what they are down other peoples faces in general.
And the gay bashing in itself just irritates me...why do people care about other people? I cant stand fucking humans


*edited for gramatical error in first line*(for the critics)

 

[Sebastian]

who are we to say gay people cant get married.

i think some people pointed out some good reasons. since they still stand and noone can disprove them i continue to say that it doesnt seem to be ok for gays to marry.

(even though i dont really care if they can cause im not religious so it doesnt "disrespect" my religion/believes or whatever in any way)

 

[LyricalDisguise]

We're all human, it doesn't matter what colour, religion, sexual prefference or roots u have. All human should have the same rights. But the problem is that orthodox-religious people don't feel that way. But since when does marriage has something to do with religion, I don't understand that. It's about love and caring & respecting each other and that's what all people should do (also in this thread )

 

[Sebastian]

We're all human, it doesn't matter what colour, religion, sexual prefference or roots u have. All human should have the same rights. But the problem is that orthodox-religious people don't feel that way. But since when does marriage has something to do with religion, I don't understand that. It's about love and caring & respecting each other and that's what all people should do (also in this thread )

u dont know why its connected with religion? why do u think u marry in a church?

well theoretically a non-religious person shouldnt marry or at least it doesnt seem to make much sense.

marriage is basically undeniable connected with god/faith/religion. if you want to marry you ask for the blessing of god, that he will protect the marriage or something (im not sure about it). so if you dont believe in god, it seems illogical.

 

[LyricalDisguise]

u dont know why its connected with religion? why do u think u marry in a church?

Marriage in church means nothing in this country, it's just something for religious people
The marriage in the city-hall is the real marriage, according the (Dutch) law

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

A marriage is legal no matter where it takes place as long as it's done by a notary public or such. As far as marriage being connected with religion, I'm sure it is or at least started out that way. Why do you think there's mention of God and such in marriage vows...that some say "What God has put together, let no man put assunder"? But people have adopted the word marriage for any form of union between two people. I'm pretty sure that two people of the same sex being "married" isn't what God intended when marriage ceremonies began but it's apparently become so common that two people of the same sex want to be married that some places are making it legal. I don't really know if I agree that it should be legal but if that's what they wanna do, then so be it. There's nothing we can do about it. Whether it's legal or not, they're still gonna consider themselves to be married so what's the point in fighting with them about it? It's not anyone else's place to judge them. If you consider it a sin, then you know that they'll be judged at the pearly gates so let them alone and worry about your own lives. Nobody is perfect and everyone can better themselves so why don't they concentrate on doing that instead of what everyone else is doing? We spend too much time judging others and not enough time judging ourselves.


Check this link and see how a real marriage ceremony performed by a minister comes mostly from the Bible.
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=2461

 

[TecK NeeX]

Marriage in church means nothing in this country, it's just something for religious people
The marriage in the city-hall is the real marriage, according the (Dutch) law

Its not about where a marriage is performed its about how it's performed

 

[Crunkadelic]

^ I guess that all depends on the your definition of what marriage is. To me marriage is commitment between two people in love. It doesn't matter if I think homosexuality is digusting or wrong, what I think doesn't change the fact of gay people falling in love and I don't find anything wrong with commitment.

I dont know if this has probably said somewhere in the previous two pages - probably has, I dunno - but marriage is "legal" commitment between two people in love. You can be committed without being married. You right, theres nothing wrong with committment, but there is something wrong to gay people tryin to get married though. Just cause they canr get married, that doesn't mean they cant be committed - they can still be in love, move in with each other, they can still have a wedding and do what ever married people do even they aint married. I think gay marriage is disgusting but if they ever legalize it, oh well....nothing I can do what accept it.

I aint against homosexuality, but Im am against gay parents raising a child together. Just imagine a child having two fathers or two mothers - disgusting.

 

[S. Fourteen]

I aint against homosexuality, but Im am against gay parents raising a child together. Just imagine a child having two fathers or two mothers - disgusting.

What if the gay couples raises a child in a loving way? Is there anything wrong with that?

Just imagine a straight couple neglecting their child. It happens everyday and it's disgusting.

 

[Crunkadelic]

What if the gay couples raises a child in a loving way? Is there anything wrong with that?

Just imagine a straight couple neglecting their child. It happens everyday and it's disgusting.

Even if gay couples raise their child in a loving way, that child is going to grow up confused. Having two fathers or two mothers, and their intimate; members of the same sex cant reproduce and make babies. And its disgusting how alot of these gay parents "have" children - like having somebody else get them pregnant or getting somebody pregnant and adopt the baby.

And not all str8 couples neglect their child, but true some do, but how do you know a gay couple wont do the same? People are still going to be people.

 

[S. Fourteen]

Even if gay couples raise their child in a loving way, that child is going to grow up confused.

A kid is going to be confused about homosexuality no matter what. A kid raised by straight parents is going to be confused about homosexuality. A simple solution to that is teaching. If the kid is educated then there isn't a problem. (homosexuality is not contagious)

And its disgusting how alot of these gay parents "have" children - like having somebody else get them pregnant or getting somebody pregnant and adopt the baby.

Yeah.. getting pregnant or adopting is disgusting. Do you feel the same way about straight people having a child by artificial insemination? Do you feel the same way about straight people adopting an orphan?

And not all str8 couples neglect their child, but true some do, but how do you know a gay couple wont do the same? People are still going to be people.

The point I'm trying make here is, gay people should have the right to marry one another and they should have the right to have kids as long as they are devoted parents. Your sexual preference is totally unrelated to being a good parent.

 

[Crunkadelic]

A kid is going to be confused about homosexuality no matter what. A kid raised by straight parents is going to be confused about homosexuality.

Right.

Yeah.. getting pregnant or adopting is disgusting. Do you feel the same way about straight people having a child by artificial insemination?

Yes. And since I feel that parents of the same sex raising a child is disgusting, most definately.

Do you feel the same way about straight people adopting an orphan?

Nope, not at all.

The point I'm trying make here is, gay people should have the right to marry one another and they should have the right to have kids as long as they are devoted parents. Your sexual preference is totally unrelated to being a good parent.

My point (and opinion) was that its disgusting. And I never said that one's sexual preference was related to being a good parent - it was you brought up the 'str8 couples neglecting their child' thing...as if that couldnt happen with a gay couple as well.