Something needs to be done about the English.

[Amara]

It doesn't matter when it was done. It goes to show what these people are like.

These people? lol. On the contrary it does matter when it was done. Because you keep equating it to the now. In which case a lot of it is immaterial as the circumstances have changed... the United States of America was formed in what - the 18th Century or some shit. India has been independent for half a century. Hong Kong was reunited with its 'motherland' last decade. Australia, New Zealand, Canada and a whole host of other nations are independent countries which function independently from England.

Its really easy to say "But it was our forefathers..." That's an easy way to blame someone else for what happened and still enjoy what they did for you. Now you have a lot of land in addition to England but you don't have to take blame for anything your forefathers did. Make up for what they did by giving up all land except England.

Who is blaming anyone else? Most of the land is no longer owned by England. For instance it is not in the power of the British to give Australia back to the Aboriginals. lol. It's all very noble of you to critique imperialism, but the practical implications involved in rectification have long since past due. If you are really concerned about monopolies of power and global hegemonies, as someone else suggested, take a good look at the 21st century and the US.

 

[haunted]

I gotta agree. This is getting ridiculous. England needs to get out of India this minute.

 

[Swollen_Member]

Pennypacker, chill out, the English should give up what land? They barely own any "stolen land" anymore.

Canada is stolen land.

 

[Flipmo]

We don't have JUST cucumber....at least no one I know does.

Tuna and cucumber is perfectly normal tho.

You sick fucks.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Pennypacker, I'm getting really fucking fed up of you.

I've told you on numerous occasions that at a time, the British Empire spanned over 50% of the known world. I've told you that we still have influence in the Commonwealth. (Something which you partially denied in yet another episode of your craziness). But now you wish to act like you are just finding out about it or something?

And just because YOU are now finding out - that is, discovering but still lacking proper comprehension - about things that happened a long time ago, you expect something to be done?

Much land was stole......& what? Britain has relinquished control over so much land with minimal hassle for a long time now.

I would beg that you please read considerably more on subjects before making wild statements, but I know you won't. Consequently, I wish to ask you to STFU.....lol

The legacy of the British Empire is still felt widely today no-where moreso than in my country where their imperialist policies led to poverty, bigotry and people like this:

Reverend Ian Paisley was born in Armagh, Northern Ireland. That is not your country.

Canada is stolen land.

Britain doesn't own Canada.

 

[Bender]

Being English is great (not to dis other nationalities), especially when travelling. I go to europe and everyone speaks english. How convenient. I get to feeling like a dick if I contemplate saying 'bonjour madam' in conversation. Plus the language is great, I can't get enough of it.

 

[Zero Cool]

Reverend Ian Paisley was born in Armagh, Northern Ireland. That is not your country.

Ireland is my country and Paisley was born in it. If I go and invade the Highlands and make it (legally) part of Ireland is it not still your country? It is British policies of divide and rule which have the occupied Six Counties in the state they are. Nevertheless their struggle to be rightfully reunited with the rest of Ireland continues.

 

[The.Menace]

We are not realllly an imperial force anymore are we now?

You, on the other hand....

I completly agree.....

anyway, I think we don't take enough responsibility for the HARM we have done in the world. I don't talk about England/GB alone but about any nation that had colonies. What happens these days in Africa is a result of your politics, that's a fact. WE fucked their social structres up and then we left just like that. the consequence were and are wars etc. We are responsible for all this, yet noone seems to care. It makes me sick and I hate it.

 

[Duke]

Canada is stolen land.

So is Australia, so is America.


BUT IT'S NOT BRITAIN'S PROPERTY NOW IS IT??!!

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Ireland is my country and Paisley was born in it. If I go and invade the Highlands and make it (legally) part of Ireland is it not still your country? It is British policies of divide and rule which have the occupied Six Counties in the state they are. Nevertheless their struggle to be rightfully reunited with the rest of Ireland continues.

The Republic of Ireland is your country, Northern Ireland is not.

Ireland as a whole can only be classified as an island, not a single country.

Unless of course you are telling me that you do not recognize Northern Ireland as a country in it's own right?

 

[Zero Cool]

The Republic of Ireland is your country, Northern Ireland is not.

Ireland as a whole can only be classified as an island, not a single country.

Unless of course you are telling me that you do not recognize Northern Ireland as a country in it's own right?

STFU. Northern Ireland is as much a part of my country as County Cork is. It's "occupied land" nothing more, thus anyone from Northern Ireland can apply and recieve an Irish passport as well as a British one

And btw, Northern Ireland is not a "country in it's own right", it never has been, it's a province of the United Kingdom.

 

[Swollen_Member]

Britain doesn't own Canada.

Not technically, but the english traders who first claimed the land from the natives, did so with the enforcement from the Queen of England.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

STFU. Northern Ireland is as much a part of my country as County Cork is. It's "occupied land" nothing more, thus anyone from Northern Ireland can apply and recieve an Irish passport as well as a British one

You are not Northern Irish, therefore Northern Ireland is not your country.

The "occupied land" claim is not supported by the reason you gave. Tibet is occupied land, Northern Ireland is not.

And btw, Northern Ireland is not a "country in it's own right", it's a province of the United Kingdom.

A province of the United Kingdom, a constituent of the United Kingdom AND a country in it's own right. Maybe you should elaborate on what you mean, as I'm not understanding whether you are trying to slight Northern Ireland's loyalty to the British crown or just don't recognize Northern Ireland's own merits as a nation.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Not technically, but the english traders who first claimed the land from the natives, did so with the enforcement from the Queen of England.

"Not technically"? Umm, not at all.

 

[Zero Cool]

You are not Northern Irish, therefore Northern Ireland is not your country.

The "occupied land" claim is not supported by the reason you gave. Tibet is occupied land, Northern Ireland is not.

I am Irish. Anyone born in the island of Ireland is Irish also. Those living in the partitioned Six Counties are currently under British occupation, but as the native (Catholic) birthrate is far outstripping the occupier one, we will have a majority within 50-100 years and Ireland will hopefully be re-unified. Northern Ireland (or indeed Ireland as a whole) is no different to Tibet, South America or any other region which was illegally invaded and it's natives enslaved.

A province of the United Kingdom, a constituent of the United Kingdom AND a country in it's own right. Maybe you should elaborate on what you mean, as I'm not understanding whether you are trying to slight Northern Ireland's loyalty to the British crown or just don't recognize Northern Ireland's own merits as a nation.

Northern Ireland is NOT a nation. It's currently a constituent part of the United Kingdom created in 1922 by the partitioning of Ireland as a whole, nothing more.

According to Wiki;

Northern Ireland is one of four constituent parts of the United Kingdom. It is located on the island of Ireland, where it shares a land border with the Republic of Ireland, the only part of the United Kingdom with an international land border. It was created by the Government of Ireland Act, 1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland

This is in direct opposition to Wales and Scotland which are both described as constituent countries of the United Kingdom.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I am Irish. Anyone born in the island of Ireland is Irish also. Those living in the partitioned Six Counties are currently under British occupation, but as the native (Catholic) birthrate is far outstripping the occupier one, we will have a majority within 50-100 years and Ireland will hopefully be re-unified. Northern Ireland (or indeed Ireland as a whole) is no different to Tibet, South America or any other region which was illegally invaded and it's natives enslaved.

The people of Northern Ireland are not enslaved.

Northern Ireland is NOT a nation. It's currently a constituent part of the United Kingdom created in 1922 by the partitioning of Ireland as a whole, nothing more.

This is in direct opposition to Wales and Scotland which are both described as constituent countries of the United Kingdom.

Country

1 a. A nation or state.
b. The territory of a nation or state; land.
c. The people of a nation or state; populace: The whole country will profit from the new economic reforms.

2. The land of a person's birth or citizenship: Foreign travel is restricted in his country.
3. A region, territory, or large tract of land distinguishable by features of topography, biology, or culture: hill country; Bible country.
4. An area or expanse outside cities and towns; a rural area: a vacation in the country.

Tell me that some of those are not applicable to Northern Ireland.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at anytime. That said, I do accept it's information to be correct most of the time.

And I never would've argued that Northern Ireland had parity with Wales or Scotland.

 

[Zero Cool]

The people of Northern Ireland are not enslaved.

Tell that to the native Irish, who are still statistically the poorest, the most under-educated and the most prone to engage in criminal activity. The discriminatory "era" only ended when the Civil Rights movement and the Battle of the Bogside brought their plight to the world's attention. However many, are still, economically enslaved.

Country

1 a. A nation or state.

N.I. is not this.

2. The land of a person's birth or citizenship: Foreign travel is restricted in his country.

That is Ireland or legally the United Kingdom, not the country of Northern Ireland. In order to be a country you must have a historical and social record as being one. Northern Ireland has neither of these. It is an artifically created province which came into being in 1922. Even the province it's historically apart of, Ulster, has three counties in the Republic! Thus, N.I. has no historical basis. Not even Unionists would claim it's a country in the proper sense, yet you do?

What your asserting is the equivilant of saying California is a constituent country of the United States, quite proposterous.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Tell that to the native Irish, who are still statistically the poorest, the most under-educated and the most prone to engage in criminal activity. The discriminatory "era" only ended when the Civil Rights movement and the Battle of the Bogside brought their plight to the world's attention. However many, are still, economically enslaved.

There are peoples "economically enslaved" in most countries in the world, it doesn't prove that the country is occupied.

N.I. is not this.

A dictionary definition would say otherwise.

That is Ireland or legally the United Kingdom, not the country of Northern Ireland. In order to be a country you must have a historical and social record as being one. Northern Ireland has neither of these. It is an artifically created province which came into being in 1922. Even the province it's apart of, Ulster, has three counties in the Republic! Thus, N.I. has no historical basis. Not even Unionists would claim it's a country in the proper sense, yet you do?

I'm pretty sure I comprehend what you are trying to say, but the way in which you convey this is wrong. To say to be a true country you must have some sort of history as a country first would mean that no new countries can ever be birthed.

And the people of Northern Ireland have their own customs &, to an extent, their own language.

And if by "proper sense", you mean parity with countries such as Wales & Scotland then you are treading a beaten path.

What your asserting is the equivilant of saying California is a constituent country of the United States, quite proposterous.

No, no-one considers California as such. And I really don't want to get into another argument all together.

 

[Zero Cool]

There are peoples "economically enslaved" in most countries in the world, it doesn't prove that the country is occupied.

We're not discussing most countries, we're discussing Northern Ireland which has it's own specific set of circumstances.

To say to be a true country you must have some sort of history as a country first would mean that no new countries can ever be birthed.

No. You must have some historical and social record as such. Thus, the Kurds could legitimately form their own country as they are their own specific people with their own specific customs and have a long record of living as such in a contigious historical area but someone like the "Northern Irish" (as ambigous a term as that is) cannot.

And the people of Northern Ireland have their own customs &, to an extent, their own language.

The occupiers have their own customs, the native Irish have theirs. The occupiers have no right to be there whereas the native Irish do.

And if by "proper sense", you mean parity with countries such as Wales & Scotland then you are treading a beaten path.

In the "proper sense" I mean any comparable "country". Northern Ireland is not a country, it's a government created province.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

We're not discussing most countries, we're discussing Northern Ireland which has it's own specific set of circumstances.

Yes it does. However that doesn't stop you referencing Wales, Scotland, California & Kurds........double standard?

And I only made loose reference to other places for clarity. But I'll forego that & lay it out even simpler. People being "ecnomically enslaved" does not prove your point.

No. You must have some historical and social record as such. Thus, the Kurds could legitimately form their own country as they are their own specific people with their own specific customs and have a long record of living as such in a contigious historical area but someone like the "Northern Irish" (as ambigous a term as that is) cannot.

We're not discussing Kurds, we're discussing the Northern Irish which who have their own specific set of circumstances.

The occupiers have their own customs, the native Irish have theirs. The occupiers have no right to be there whereas the native Irish do.

Maybe you should identify who the "occupiers" are.

In the "proper sense" I mean any comparable "country". Northern Ireland is not a country, it's a government created province.

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