Pakistan wants Facebook CEO Zuckerberg dead

[Pittsey]

You missed the point. Even compared to humans 10.000 years ago, chimps are fucking barbarians. Perhaps chimps aren't a brilliant generic example to use in my point, it only becomes interesting if we're gonna have a socio-biological discussion in here. But all social animals, and more likely than not a whole bunch of solitary species, have some degree of instinctive morals. These are not "learned" morals, because the principle that we as humans have called "morals and ethics" is a fundamental trait that enables us to function in a group.

Man did not invent "morals", we just gave it a name and expanded on the idea.

I also won't deny that religion helps to imprint the basic set of morals (that enable our social functioning) into new members of humankind, it's one of the few good aspects about any religion (though I must admit I'm not up to date on the commandments of Thor. Maybe they say "bash your neighbour", I don't know).


What it comes down to is that the idea of morals and ethics is an innate thing. Religion did not create it and man wouldn't turn into degenerates if there was no religion. We'd be fine.


I wrote a whole Preach-rant but I can be much more to the point about the chimp-thing: what i was trying to compare was that chimps and humans function pretty much the same socially but that chimps lack the organized religion that we have. Looking back on it I worded it piss-poorly (as in, seemingly opposite of what I was trying to say). Apologies.

Now I get the point. lol

 

[dilla]

You missed the point. Even compared to humans 10.000 years ago, chimps are fucking barbarians. Perhaps chimps aren't a brilliant generic example to use in my point, it only becomes interesting if we're gonna have a socio-biological discussion in here. But all social animals, and more likely than not a whole bunch of solitary species, have some degree of instinctive morals. These are not "learned" morals, because the principle that we as humans have called "morals and ethics" is a fundamental trait that enables us to function in a group.

Man did not invent "morals", we just gave it a name and expanded on the idea.

I also won't deny that religion helps to imprint the basic set of morals (that enable our social functioning) into new members of humankind, it's one of the few good aspects about any religion (though I must admit I'm not up to date on the commandments of Thor. Maybe they say "bash your neighbour", I don't know).


What it comes down to is that the idea of morals and ethics is an innate thing. Religion did not create it and man wouldn't turn into degenerates if there was no religion. We'd be fine.


I wrote a whole Preach-rant but I can be much more to the point about the chimp-thing: what i was trying to compare was that chimps and humans function pretty much the same socially but that chimps lack the organized religion that we have. Looking back on it I worded it piss-poorly (as in, seemingly opposite of what I was trying to say). Apologies.

Well, earlier, I wasn't saying humans would be degenerates without religion. I was just curious how we would learn our stuff and I find it a bit tough to see it coming "innately." Haven't you seen those instances where people are trampled to death when there's a riot? How people just keep on running over them? How no one stops to help someone in the street if they're hurt? I guess I've just seen so much of it, I ultimately think humans are naturally bad. Religion isn't the only answer, it's just an option, but clearly, religion too can make people...."bad." But I can't say it hasn't been responsible for solely "bad" things.

 

[Pittsey]

Well, earlier, I wasn't saying humans would be degenerates without religion. I was just curious how we would learn our stuff and I find it a bit tough to see it coming "innately." Haven't you seen those instances where people are trampled to death when there's a riot? How people just keep on running over them? How no one stops to help someone in the street if they're hurt? I guess I've just seen so much of it, I ultimately think humans are naturally bad. Religion isn't the only answer, it's just an option, but clearly, religion too can make people...."bad." But I can't say it hasn't been responsible for solely "bad" things.

I don't agree. We have laws and taught morals, as well as those which come naturally. With Law comes order. Religious people are definately in the minority these days. Which I believe is due to education being available to all.

 

[Jokerman]

Haven't you seen those instances where people are trampled to death when there's a riot? How people just keep on running over them?

It's because they're all atheists and followers of Prince. Religious ppl never do that.

 

[Casey]

Religious people are definately in the minority these days. Which I believe is due to education being available to all.

Exactly....I mean I can't actually believe there are still Creationists that exist. Why do these people insist on pretending we still live in the dark ages? Do they actually think there's any reasonable argument AGAINST evolution? It's just totally bizarre to me.

 

[Preach]

I already clarified this and you're heinously late with this, so go and take a good fuck to yourself, you hear me?

I don't understand what you want me to do. Please myself?

 

[dilla]

It's because they're all atheists and followers of Prince. Religious ppl never do that.

Well people do that with or without being religious. I just think that religion keeps some people from going off the deep-end. I postulate that if it weren't there, we'd have more crime if there isn't a fear of something that may or may not exist.

 

[Casey]

Well people do that with or without being religious. I just think that religion keeps some people from going off the deep-end. I postulate that if it weren't there, we'd have more crime if there isn't a fear of something that may or may not exist.

I firmly disagree. There is a large number of religious people who feel even the worst of crimes they commit can be acceptable because they can be forgiven for the sins.

Any coincidence that the vast majority of people on Death Row are religious? And before you say they get religious because they know they're gonna die....there's been surveys on that already and most of them were religious before they got sentenced to death.

 

[Jokerman]

I postulate that if it weren't there, we'd have more crime if there isn't a fear of something that may or may not exist.

Is that why God is such a criminal? Because he doesn't fear his non-existent Self? Hmmm...that explains a lot.

If we really hold God responsible for the world, then it's ob-fucking-viously clear that he has no morals whatsoever.

 

[Casey]

/\ Truth.

What I find hilarious is when people try and justify bad things happening by saying "It's god's plan".

FUCK OFF.

So god's plan was for your loved one to die a slow painful death of a degenerative disease then. Real nice fella he must be. *rolls eyes sarcastically*

I know a guy whose best friend was kidnapped by a serial killer. The serial killer decapitated him and buried the body. They never found his head. The killer was arrested and sat in jail and never said anything about it, never explained why the things he did, nothing. Then one day killed himself in jail.

Was that all god's plan too?

SMH at religious people

 

[Synful*Luv]

I would like to say this:

My mom was a devout Roman Catholic, it's how she raised me. She was against every-f*cking thing. I have never once argued with her about her views that are different from mines. I have gently asked her why or explained why something may be viewed differently than her opinion. I ask her a lot "Wait, let's just say that there was no god or anything just for the point of this conversation. Not for real, just for now. There is no god. Why do YOU think "insert topic" is wrong?"

Anyways... I went to the Gay Pride Parade this weekend and took some pics. I sent them to my mom (just b/c I always share pictures of my activities with her). I thought she'd be angry or pissed (homosexuals are on her list of sinners). Instead I got her response e-mail today and she said "Wow, those gays sure know how to have fun. Good for them."

FTW!!!! Granted she called them "those gays" but she didn't quote god or the bible or call them evil or anything. PROGRESS! W00t!!!!!

 

[dilla]

i have my own views on gays, but it's certainly not "kill them." Or even "persecute them."

I just don't see why there needs to be a parade for it. Gays don't want to be treated "differently," right? Well having "pride" about it means you have something others don't. You're different. Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose?

I feel the same about ethnic pride parades. In Chicago, we have India Day, Pakistan Day, etc. I think it's kinda dumb. I don't have a reasonable explanation, but it seems very one-sided with the "Pride" parade. They don't hold parades for being heterosexual....

I feel I've talked myself into a corner. But I hope gays can get kids and married and shit, the parades and the "flamboyancy" get to me, how open they are with it. Being "openly heterosexual" would be misconstrued as anti-gay, very quickly. Or rape. I can't think of a way of celebrating it safely.

 

[Jokerman]

I just don't see why there needs to be a parade for it. Gays don't want to be treated "differently," right? Well having "pride" about it means you have something others don't.

They don't hold parades for being heterosexual....

You do realize that you’re only like the ten millionth heterosexual to make this point and ask these questions, right? A little thought and you’d be able to figure this out. They’re not celebrating or proud that they’re gay, since that’s not an achievement. They’re celebrating and being proud and showing solidarity at how far they have come as a group in securing the same rights as non-gays have always taken for granted. There doesn’t need to be a heterosexual (or “straight”) pride parade because every day is a straight pride parade, where straight people walk around flaunting their equal rights, love, sexuality and bigotry. When your friend, brother or son commits suicide for having a girlfriend and ridiculed in school for being “straight,” then we should probably have a straight pride parade. When heterosexuals get beat, arrested, and even killed for being “straight,” then we need a parade, and much more.

You do realize it hasn’t been easy for gays over the years, right? And the only reason it’s somewhat easier for them now is…because you are going around having parades for them? Or maybe because they’re going around having parades and having protests and saying how you like me now? I can’t even be discreet with my sexuality without taking shit from your straight world, so now I’m going to flaunt it. There’s 10,000 of us here today, let’s see you start shit now. And many heterosexuals who understand what I’m saying here join them in the parade for support. (I watched the NYC one once and had a great time. The guys in drag were hilarious.)

And the black or female pride movements exist for the same reason. Because blacks were treated and made to feel like shit for so long, as you might know, and women were treated as second class citizens who couldn’t even vote or go to college for a long time. So now they are proud at how far they have come, and since they are not yet completely where they should be, esp around the world, these movements need to continue. You don’t hear much about it here anymore, but in Brazil, the black pride movement is strong. Because there’s a need for it there. And there’s still a need for the gay pride movement. The parade is just a solidarity celebration of what is in fact a movement. And as long as the average heterosexual can’t figure out on their own what I’ve just said here, and asks the same questions that you asked, there’s still a need for it. Because it’s not that you or they all can’t figure it out because you’re all dumb. No, ya’ll can’t figure it out because you still have hate for them and don’t want to figure it out. Because then you wouldn’t be able to justify the hate (which you probably just think of as disgust, which you think isn’t hate but is) to yourself, let alone anyone else.

 

[Tha_Wood]

i have my own views on gays, but it's certainly not "kill them." Or even "persecute them."

I just don't see why there needs to be a parade for it. Gays don't want to be treated "differently," right? Well having "pride" about it means you have something others don't. You're different. Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose?

I feel the same about ethnic pride parades. In Chicago, we have India Day, Pakistan Day, etc. I think it's kinda dumb. I don't have a reasonable explanation, but it seems very one-sided with the "Pride" parade. They don't hold parades for being heterosexual....

I feel I've talked myself into a corner. But I hope gays can get kids and married and shit, the parades and the "flamboyancy" get to me, how open they are with it. Being "openly heterosexual" would be misconstrued as anti-gay, very quickly. Or rape. I can't think of a way of celebrating it safely.

yeh i hate ethnic parades, imagine if i threw a white parade. shit would hit the fan.

and i also dont like fags.

 

[dilla]

Yeah, Joker, that's probably it.

They don't know what causes one to be gay but I feel, for the most part, that it's a disorder. I don't find "hatred" for those with disorders like schizophrenia or autism. There is no "Autistic Day Parade" either.

 

[Chronic]

^^
Are you trolling or just ignorant?

 

[keco52]

Yeah, Joker, that's probably it.

They don't know what causes one to be gay but I feel, for the most part, that it's a disorder. I don't find "hatred" for those with disorders like schizophrenia or autism. There is no "Autistic Day Parade" either.

Even if it was a disorder, ppl with disorders are not really oppressed. Maybe discriminated against but they're not killed and jailed over it.

Wtf happened to some of you to make you so hateful...this thread sucks

 

[Flipmo]

^^
Are you trolling or just ignorant?

Btw, lets not turn this into a gay bashing thread. Get back on topic (or at least respectful) or this thread is closed.

 

[Synful*Luv]

yeh i hate ethnic parades, imagine if i threw a white parade. shit would hit the fan.

and i also dont like fags.

There are parades and festivals geared towards various "white" people here. I put White in quotes because it refers to different things for different people.. but a few options that happen near where I live:

St. Paddys day Parade
Irish American Heritage Parade
Italian Festival
Croatian Fest
Armenian Fest
Ukranian Days
Taste of Greece

And a few others I can't think of. Most of the fests here are about indie bands/shops and/or food. But there's an equal amount of events geared towards "white" people as there are towards everyone else I think.

Plus all you need is a group to get together and get a permit if someone wanted to have an event for another group of people.

I just think they're fun, they're not only for "X" people. There's music, a variety of food, little shops. It's nice to experience something different and new for free... at least I think so.

 

[Flipmo]

There are parades and festivals geared towards various "white" people here. I put White in quotes because it refers to different things for different people.. but a few options that happen near where I live:

St. Paddys day Parade
Irish American Heritage Parade
Italian Festival
Croatian Fest
Armenian Fest
Ukranian Days
Taste of Greece

And a few others I can't think of. Most of the fests here are about indie bands/shops and/or food. But there's an equal amount of events geared towards "white" people as there are towards everyone else I think.

Plus all you need is a group to get together and get a permit if someone wanted to have an event for another group of people.

I just think they're fun, they're not only for "X" people. There's music, a variety of food, little shops. It's nice to experience something different and new for free... at least I think so.

Velika Gospa FTW.