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Duke

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If you must truly know I use gps so I'm never off by sea miles.

I must first apologize because what I said was definitely not detailed enough. It was mainly a comment for me and my view on religion and the people who follow religion, it was not meant to be taken as a general statement for atheism and it being or not being a belief. My explanation for this is simple. Religious people annoy me because of their constant shove of their beliefs upon others. Casey annoys me because of his constant shove of his beliefs or lack thereof upon others. Continue on

I get where you're coming from, but in Casey's defense, he's only shoving it down throats when he's annoyed by the stupidity of a belief or by the other person trying to cram his stuff through a throat. Casey's throatshoving is pretty much a reaction, not an action. Should he or me encounter a religious person that doesn't let his or her religious ideals get in the way of facts or common ethics, we're not gonna spam them with Dawkins links or anti-religious essays.
 

dilla

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I don't think I qualify as one that is "shoving" anything down anyone's throat. I'd like to think that my arguments have been pretty on-topic and still not resorting to name-calling or degrading someone's character. It's the first thing I learned in my speech class and it's something I've been putting into practice.

Hope you guys see it.
 

ARon

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I get where you're coming from, but in Casey's defense, he's only shoving it down throats when he's annoyed by the stupidity of a belief or by the other person trying to cram his stuff through a throat. Casey's throatshoving is pretty much a reaction, not an action. Should he or me encounter a religious person that doesn't let his or her religious ideals get in the way of facts or common ethics, we're not gonna spam them with Dawkins links or anti-religious essays.
I spose. I ask, why can't one ignore thou fellow man..or better yet, be accepting of ones views without the need to jerk ones own penis?

The bible says

"People who eat all foods should not despise people who eat only vegetables. In the same way, the vegetarians should not criticize people who eat all foods, because God has accepted those people."

Just because homeboy A, who claims blood, doesn't have the same belief as homeboy B, who claims crip, doesn't mean they can't come together and claim purple, after all purple is the color of love, and love is human.

Seriously though, who gives a fuck. If dude is shoving something down your throat bite! and bite hard! Don't retaliate and try to shove something down dude's throat, for you may be bitten as well!
 

S O F I

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Its in the same category when it comes to the question if something is part of your social identity or not, yes. I didnt deny that. What im arguing is, that its not in the same category, if you ask the question: Should you stay away from criticising someone for his point of view?

It seems like some of you claim its wrong to talk negatively about god and religion because it might be part of someones social identity or even the core of who they are. I dont agree with that at all.
I don't believe anything is above questioning and criticism. I don't claim it's wrong to criticize religion even when it's a part of someone's social identity. I merely ask that people understand the significance that religion plays in a person's life when you choose to criticize it. For a lot of you, theological discussion is more or less just about expressing your dissatisfaction with religion and also trying to satisfy your egos by presenting a more compelling anti-religious argument. What you see as just winning an argument on an internet forum, others see as a direct attack on their core, as I previously said. In other words, you're all about intellectual dick jerking. But for others, religion is a fact of life and a way of life. I think the way religion is discussed here by some, (Rukas, Casey, Duke) is highly counter-productive in their aims and just serves to create divides. I don't ask for self-censorship by any means, but just for more mature and respectful discussion.
 

Sebastian

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I guess what you mean by "more mature" is merely the point of stopping with name calling and ridiculing their belief, right?

Even if we would stop doing it and keep it all civiclised, they would steel feel attacked, no? The criticism would still be about their core?!
 

Casey

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I get where you're coming from, but in Casey's defense, he's only shoving it down throats when he's annoyed by the stupidity of a belief or by the other person trying to cram his stuff through a throat. Casey's throatshoving is pretty much a reaction, not an action. Should he or me encounter a religious person that doesn't let his or her religious ideals get in the way of facts or common ethics, we're not gonna spam them with Dawkins links or anti-religious essays.
Exactly. As I mentioned before, I'm staying with a close Muslim friend in a few weeks time after my tour is over and attending his wedding.

In real life, just as on here, I don't bring up the subject. But if someone else brings up the topic and wants my view on it, I will tell them what I think.
 

Pittsey

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Don't be stupid, Jokerman didn't actually mean a book with that picture.

How do people learn moral values?

Society. Ourselves. Not books, not religion, not law. Those are mere consequences of what we are. Not reasons.

Understand that. Chimpansees have no books, no written laws and (as far as we know) no religion. Yet they don't bash each other's head in in the social circle of their own tribe. Why?

Social evolution.

Here's your analagy above... Saying chimps don't have religion, and don't bash in their own social circle.

I disagreed, as they do. And would, and when they don't it is due to fear of other more powerful chimps. So your analagy doesn't work.....

Why am I bringing it up again? I don't know. Does it matter...? No.

Yes they bash members of their own tribe. Relative to us, they're still primitive animals. They will resolve to violence to establish dominance in their own group and they will violently attack members of a different tribe.

Records of chimps seriously maiming or killing members of their own group are exceptionally rare. They will fight to establish dominance, yes. They might "rape", which about 60% of the animal kingdom does, and chimps less than most other animals. Yes, they will inflict serious harm upon other "tribes" of their own kind. That is apparently the course nature takes.

It's obvious. Animals that fulfill two criteria, individual intelligence and social survivability, tend to follow this course.

It's not a poor analogy at all, because not so long ago when we were evolving into what we are now, we weren't much better than the average chimp group. With the world getting smaller we grow closer together, which means we'll fight less. Social evolution. That's what DOES make the chimp-thing a good analogy. They show intermediate signs of individual and social intelligence, which is how we started.

Watch chimps develop religion in 2000 years from now. Then they'll truly hit their dark years.
 

Pittsey

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I must first apologize because what I said was definitely not detailed enough. It was mainly a comment for me and my view on religion and the people who follow religion, it was not meant to be taken as a general statement for atheism and it being or not being a belief. My explanation for this is simple. Religious people annoy me because of their constant shove of their beliefs upon others. Casey annoys me because of his constant shove of his beliefs or lack thereof upon others. Continue on


By the way...Vin Diesel is living proof that bald is a style of hair


Fucking agree. Religious people annoy because they always push their beliefs on me. And it doesn't just apply to Casey, but the group on here who feel the need to push their atheism towards every single religious person, or any debate on religion.

Which is why I said Vegetrians (or vegans) annoy me. Because they push their opinions on me. I want to eat meat, and will eat meat. Whether you agree or not. It's my life. Jog the fuck on. I make my own choices and own mistakes and don't need anyone elses advice or opinions. And I will in return try not to inflict mine on you.
 

Sebastian

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Which is why I said Vegetrians (or vegans) annoy me. Because they push their opinions on me. I want to eat meat, and will eat meat. Whether you agree or not. It's my life. Jog the fuck on. I make my own choices and own mistakes and don't need anyone elses advice or opinions. And I will in return try not to inflict mine on you.
Great attitude.
 

Bobby Sands

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maybe this only happens in the UK or the US but i have never once met a person who tried to shove their beliefs on me. maybe with exception of Jehovah's Witnesses but they just preach more than anything and i usually dont answer the door for them
 

tHuG $TyLe

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maybe this only happens in the UK or the US but i have never once met a person who tried to shove their beliefs on me. maybe with exception of Jehovah's Witnesses but they just preach more than anything and i usually dont answer the door for them
Come to think of it, Nor have I. I was at a church last year as my sister was performing in some charity event and none of them preached anything to us. Though they probably though we were terrorists so were scared. :wondering:
 

Pittsey

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maybe this only happens in the UK or the US but i have never once met a person who tried to shove their beliefs on me. maybe with exception of Jehovah's Witnesses but they just preach more than anything and i usually dont answer the door for them

I experience it a lot. Mainly with Muslims and Christians.



Anyway, for all the anti-muslims. You need to expand your horizons. Maybe get a Muslim girlfriend / boyfriend.

http://www.singlemuslim.com/welcome_4.php



I am sure I have spyware on my Peecee. Youtube suggested the above to me. Because of this thread, I believe.
 

Synful*Luv

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maybe this only happens in the UK or the US but i have never once met a person who tried to shove their beliefs on me. maybe with exception of Jehovah's Witnesses but they just preach more than anything and i usually dont answer the door for them
I experience it A LOT. Not from any organization, but from individuals.
 

Casey

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Fucking agree. Religious people annoy because they always push their beliefs on me. And it doesn't just apply to Casey, but the group on here who feel the need to push their atheism towards every single religious person, or any debate on religion.

Which is why I said Vegetrians (or vegans) annoy me. Because they push their opinions on me. I want to eat meat, and will eat meat. Whether you agree or not. It's my life. Jog the fuck on. I make my own choices and own mistakes and don't need anyone elses advice or opinions. And I will in return try not to inflict mine on you.
I actually don't have a problem with this, because I feel that you have evaluated your options and choices thoroughly. You at least somewhat educated on the matters.

The problem I have is that the VAST majority of people don't. These people are either brainwashed or too fucking stupid to think for themselves. They've never evaluated any moral choice other than the way their parents raised them. Mindless, idiotic drones.

How often do you see a religious person that is of a DIFFERENT religion to their parents? Exactly. How often do you see someone who's diet is radically different to their parents? Exactly. These people do not stop to consider anything else. These are the people that need to be made aware of things like animal abuse, factory farming, the lies of the meat/dairy industry, the extreme health problems of eating meat/dairy, the numerous ethical issues....etc.

The truth of the matter, Pittsey, is that for every 1 person like you that knows why the rational arguments for atheism, vegetarianism, veganism exist, there's millions out there who are either completely uneducated, or in denial because they can't handle the reality of the situation or the fact that something they have been raised with all their life without thinking about it, can be wrong. I say the things I say to reach out to those people - not you. I can claim you're selfish, sure, but at least you are not ignorant in these regards.
 

ARon

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The truth of the matter, Pittsey, is that for every 1 person like you that knows why the rational arguments for atheism, vegetarianism, veganism exist, there's millions out there who are either completely uneducated, or in denial because they can't handle the reality of the situation or the fact that something they have been raised with all their life without thinking about it, can be wrong. I say the things I say to reach out to those people - not you.

If I ever see you I'm gonna knock you off your high horse then stomp you the fuck out, it just needs to be done. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone anything. Seriously? Then you have the nerve to say you nut on your keyboard every argument just so you can reach out to those millions who are so misinformed about religion and being a non meat eater? Do you expect anyone who has been on this site for over a year to believe that? Pathetic.
 

Casey

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If I ever see you I'm gonna knock you off your high horse then stomp you the fuck out, it just needs to be done. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone anything. Seriously? Then you have the nerve to say you nut on your keyboard every argument just so you can reach out to those millions who are so misinformed about religion and being a non meat eater? Do you expect anyone who has been on this site for over a year to believe that? Pathetic.
Bring it bitch, If I'm on a high horse I'll have my horse kick your fucking teeth right out of your mouth.
I ain't hard to find, come get me, I dare ya. A little angry today are we? Well, you picked the wrong motherfucker to take it out on, sonny jim.

Who the fuck am I to tell anyone? I'm someone who knows what the fuck he's talking about. FACT. You want to challenge my position on diets or religion? Go study them as much as I have, I can give you a whole fucking laundry list of books you can read. You think I just pull my opinions out of thin air for shits and giggles?

Seriously - you want a serious debate with me on any topic that I'm passionate about, whether that's music, veganism, atheism, whatever - you better know what the fuck you're talking about, cos I do.

You want to take a poll on that last question? Let's go. How many people that have been on this site over a year, believe that I am simply trying to inform and educate people on certain subjects that I have CLEARLY spent considerable time analysing and studying? Frankly, I'd throw down that more people would answer yes to that, than you think.

Grow the fuck up, kid.
 

ARon

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^Casey seems like one of the dudes who get all crazy angry and makes weird noises acting all strong then when he fights it's like he's having a seizure flailing his arms and shit, you know what i'm saying?

Bring it bitch, If I'm on a high horse I'll have my horse kick your fucking teeth right out of your mouth.
I ain't hard to find, come get me, I dare ya. A little angry today are we? Well, you picked the wrong motherfucker to take it out on, sonny jim.

Who the fuck am I to tell anyone? I'm someone who knows what the fuck he's talking about. FACT. You want to challenge my position on diets or religion? Go study them as much as I have, I can give you a whole fucking laundry list of books you can read. You think I just pull my opinions out of thin air for shits and giggles?

Seriously - you want a serious debate with me on any topic that I'm passionate about, whether that's music, veganism, atheism, whatever - you better know what the fuck you're talking about, cos I do.

You want to take a poll on that last question? Let's go. How many people that have been on this site over a year, believe that I am simply trying to inform and educate people on certain subjects that I have CLEARLY spent considerable time analysing and studying? Frankly, I'd throw down that more people would answer yes to that, than you think.

Grow the fuck up, kid.
I'm off to a bbq so I can't properly reply yet, I want to for fun...I just wanted to say...I pulled your so called "antics" on yourself, chump






I'm not in a bad mood at all actually.

What's with the grow the fuck up kid part, pretty dumb.

Come on bruh, your horse will kick my fucking teeth out, joking or not that shit is corny.

It doesn't mean a thing that you know about those topics. You can be an expert on all things for all I care, what I'm saying is be accepting...there is no need to press your views on anyone, it means absolutely nothing how much you know about anything. Even if someone is wrong what is it your business telling someone they are? Sure if it causes you a great amount of harm then go ahead. But you do it on shit like religion and what type of food people eat, on this message board, so miniscule, yet you make it out to be like you're doing something...So fucking stupid... OMG they have a belief that you do not, who gives a fuck let them be. That gets to my point about my last statement. You're a joke. I have no reason to believe whatsoever that you say anything that isn't for your own gain. You're not selfless at all. When you argue with someone you just want to look right cus you're so damn informed, not because you want to help someone. You're like a chick really, you just say shit to make yourself look right, it might make sense every now and then and that can give you some foundation to be an ass but seriously, get over yourself.

Since I'm still a little adolescent I'll play.
You and your stupid hair having half emo half im gay everybody look at me clown ass, eyeshadow wearing, i mean you look like a fat vegetarian how is that shit even possible. wanna be prince looking faggot ass, there is no way you do any harm to me. and fuck you and your books, i'd rather be an author than the reader. you write songs but they're shit, the only good thing your band has brought is the chick in the band, damn she looks delicious, but you wouldn't know that cus you two probably share make up and shit.

so yeah, i hope your day is going well.
 

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