Exactly... and a $300 body kit at that, probably made of cheap fiberglass. But there isn't any shame in a car like that, I had a 1995 Honda Accord EX coupe that I fixed up in high school. I sold it when I was a college junior in 2003.Duke said:
Opinions on Mitsubishi Evo IX?
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DeeezNuuuts83 said:
well ok... the lancer was engineered for racing though...the GTO wasnt... i kinda learned that now...
Well yes and no. The stuff you've learned from this thread about both cars is more about all-around racing, which the Lancer Evolution was engineered for. But what I did that night, which was basically straight-line street racing from a roll, isn't really something that cars themselves are engineered for, since stuff like the chassis and suspension don't play as huge of a role compared to racing on an autocross track; it's what the engines are engineered for and weight that play bigger roles in situations as these. And in both cases, both engines were bred for power. I just happened to have the upper hand, probably because the 4G63 Evo IX motor is a monster, plus my car is a lot lighter than the porkier GTO. By the way, I told one of my roommates about it, and he said he knows who I'm talking about and he's raced the guy before. (My roommate lost, since he has an Acura RSX.)tennis_dog said:
i think making the car lighter is part of tuning it to race right??? the GTO is big and fat..... but werent muscle cars in the 60'sand 70's as well?? the lancer also has the whole squeeze more power out of a smaller engine thing going on.... i think the GTO was geared more towards older guys that were alive during the 60's or 70's when the originals were around.... you see alotta 20 year olds with corvettes?? they gotta be major gearheads for that...
and how can the gto be bred for power if its putting out about 66 hp per liter??? isnt the engine less efficient, giving you the upper hand?
and how can the gto be bred for power if its putting out about 66 hp per liter??? isnt the engine less efficient, giving you the upper hand?
You're right about the target audience of the GTO being the older guys who grew up around musclecars.tennis_dog said:
Even though its hp/liter ratio is a shame, the simple fact is that it is the same torquey V-8 that propels Corvettes. The hp/liter ratio is more of an indication of how much engineering went into the engine rather than an indication of its purposes. Take the older Dodge Viper GTS coupe. It had an 8.0-liter V-10 making 450 hp, which translates to 56.25 hp/liter... a damn shame. But at the end of the day, you've still got 450 hp which gets the car from 0-60 in 4.1 seconds and tops out at 192 mph (according to Motor Trend). But remember that regardless of ratio, hp is still hp (even though more hp in a smaller package is always better).tennis_dog said:
what's the diff. between torque and HP?? im in physics now, and from what i understand is that hp is the work of the engine, and torque is how muc of it is put into action trough the wheels....but how can a car have more torque that HP then?
^ Tricky one. HP and torque are both connected through the same equation also involving engine speed. Also, HP is an archaic term only still used because we like it.
The difference between torque and horsepower is that the engine only produces torque. Torque is force. Pure, raw force. It's what the force of the engine is at certain RPM speeds. Horsepower on the other hand, is more of a measure of the engine's ability to keep it's power spitting out towards the rear wheels. To do actual work.
In layman's terms, torque is raw power (what you feel in your ass when you step on it) and HP is more related to speed.
Anyway, it's fucking complicated over all so here:
http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html
The difference between torque and horsepower is that the engine only produces torque. Torque is force. Pure, raw force. It's what the force of the engine is at certain RPM speeds. Horsepower on the other hand, is more of a measure of the engine's ability to keep it's power spitting out towards the rear wheels. To do actual work.
In layman's terms, torque is raw power (what you feel in your ass when you step on it) and HP is more related to speed.
Anyway, it's fucking complicated over all so here:
http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html
hahah, aight thanks...i tried understanding what you said, but it was a little difficult... HP goes to the rear wheels?
its all good...im checking that site out now...
but one last thing, i noticed this alot on pickups...why does it have 225 HP, but 400+ torque??? i know the amount of torque is to haul ass, but why that sharp difference between HP and torque?
its all good...im checking that site out now...
but one last thing, i noticed this alot on pickups...why does it have 225 HP, but 400+ torque??? i know the amount of torque is to haul ass, but why that sharp difference between HP and torque?
Torque is more for acceleration and hp is to keep the speed, kind of, in lamens terms, but partly wrong. That is why trucks have high high torque, in order to tow large amounts of weight, in order to accelerate with all that weight they need a lot of torque.
Exactly. Trucks tend to have a lot of torque since their main purpose is for reasonable acceleration while hauling a lot of people and/or equipment. And since they weren't intended for high speeds (say, over 100 mph, which is usually the highest most big trucks' speedometers reach anyway), they don't need too much hp to get by.Aristotle said:
if i were to compare this to a runner running a marathon, the torque is how quickly and how much work is put into getting off the starting line, and the hp is the stamina and how long the guy can keep that pace going?
Based on the runner analogy, torque = getting off the starting line and how quickly the runner goes from one speed to a higher speed; hp = how high of a speed he can reach.tennis_dog said:
I took my car to 130 mph the other day... stable as a motherfucker, still with a lot of steam left, but I let off since my practical side realized that if a cop were to get me then I'd be in pretty big trouble. Hopefully I'll be able to hit the top speed someday (150+ mph).
I GOTTA KEEP MY THREAD ALIVE!!! HAHA
I GOTTA KEEP MY THREAD ALIVE!!! HAHA
Unfortunately, no. I live in the OC, there is hardly a square foot of unused land. The John Wayne Airport (10 minutes away from me) is far from closed, so for the moment I'm stuck with guessing what my top speed is.Aristotle said:
I wish. I'm assuming it's between 150-155, based on the car's gearing and stuff that I've read. The 6-speed Evo MR's gearing should allow it to hit around 165.
Yea Id say get it, I have a TB '03 with a lil set of mods and its my fav car to drive (I also have a converted Silvia) , the IX looks better than the 8 IMO, and with the added MIVEC its like a V-teched 4G63
Haha yeah seriously... Krysis, thanks for the advice, but at the bottom of the first page, I stated that I had purchased the car (end of February). But it's nice to find another Evo owner on streethop 
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