Opinions on Mitsubishi Evo IX?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Actually, the new C6 seems to be doing rather well in the corners. Its leaf springs are archaic, yes, but they do seem to work now.

The C6 is indeed awesome and puts out some good numbers in terms of slalom speed and lateral grip. However, it tends to oversteer more often than one would like and overall handling feel (not necessarily actual handling figures) isn't quite up to par with its overseas competitors, hence the criticism from both Japanese and European journalists. And although it does have an interior that is leaps ahead of the C5's interior, it is still very much American (take it how you want). American car manufacturers always have been about functionality and getting the job done, more so than anything else. Don't get me wrong... I wouldn't mind having one, especially if my budget for a car was between $40,000 and $50,000.

 

[tennis_dog]

i was just looking at a site just for GTOs...the aftermarket parts amazing...superchargers for around 4K...not bad...if i had a GTO, i throw in one of those...adds on 50% more hp...so it comes with 400...half of that, 200...so 600 horses...beautiful....

while i like the EVO, it doesnt look aggressive...to be honest, it looks like a mouse...with that spoiler like a tail, the annoying buzz it makes as it goes by...would you rather your engine hum or roar?? give me a japanese car taht roars...not many...not many are even V8's, but thats understandable, japanese dont want power...but what does the EVO have?? i think it has a 6...

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

while i like the EVO, it doesnt look aggressive...to be honest, it looks like a mouse...with that spoiler like a tail, the annoying buzz it makes as it goes by...would you rather your engine hum or roar??

I can appreciate that you have a love for cars, but first off, you need to get your facts straight. I can also respect your opinion, and if you don't think the Evo looks aggressive, then that's fine, but if you made that decision without seeing one in real life right in front of you, then you should at least give it a closer look before you pass judgment. And obviously you've never heard an Evo, and while their exhaust notes aren't as cool as a gurgling V-8 rumble, they certainly do not "buzz." You're just generalizing it along with every old-ass Civic with a fat muffler that probably plagues your neighborhood.

japanese dont want power...but what does the EVO have?? i think it has a 6...

Your "japanese dont want power" comment is ridiculous, you don't even know what's under the hood of a car you're dismissing. Sure, they don't put out 400 hp from the factory like the LS2-powered GM cars, but they don't have any trouble keeping up with them or even beating them. The U.S. Evo IX has a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder that has 286 hp and 289 lb.-ft while the GTO has a 6.0-liter V-8 with 400 hp and 400 lb.-ft. While the engine output numbers are in favor of the GTO, consider that the Evo is making slightly more than a fourth less power but with two-thirds less displacement than the LS2. Engine output aside, the Evo will hand the GTO its ass in just about every performance department... 0-60 mph acceleration (close), quarter-mile acceleration (close, as the GTO starts to catch up toward the end), braking (no contest), cornering, (no contest), lateral grip (no contest), even mpg (close) and even warranty (no contest). And to that you can add four doors, roomy seating for five, and the ability to still haul ass in the dirt, rain, and snow. Many skilled drivers are doing high-12s in the quarter-mile in completely STOCK Evo IXs, and when it comes to autocrossing it's absolutely no contest. And if that's not enough, a bit over $2000 will get you a tuning package that will give you around 400 hp and the ability to run 11-second quarter-miles times.

Don't get me wrong, I think the GTO is a good car, but it was doomed since its introduction. The Mustang GT offered similar (but slightly less) performance but for $5,000 to $6,000 less, and then it got rocked by the WRX STi and Evo. If people are half the performance car enthusiasts that they think they are, then they would wise up and buy something else, unless they just have such a boner for "American muscle" (that comes with ancient pushrod engines and suspension components, I might add). But I guess people are wising up, considering the fact that GM is going to kill off the GTO (sourced from AutoNews):

Pontiac will drop the GTO this year
DETROIT -- General Motors has told Pontiac dealers that it will discontinue the GTO coupe at the end of this model year. GM will make the last deliveries of the vehicle to dealers by the end of September, sources close to Pontiac say.

GM will produce 10,000 to 12,000 more GTOs before dropping the nameplate, one source close to the situation says. Last year, Pontiac sold 11,590 GTOs compared to 2004 when it sold 13,569. That's a 14.6 percent drop.

When Pontiac launched the GTO in 2003, it projected 18,000 annual sales. The vehicle was criticized for bland styling, and some fans of the original GTO complained that it lacked nostalgic styling cues.

"For the remaining life of the car, it simply wasn't worth the engineering expense or effort to re-certify it as an '07 for a very limited run, when we could continue selling them as '06s," says a source close to GM who is familiar with the program.

The GTO is built on a rear-wheel drive architecture from GM's Holden division in Australia. The present model is going out of production as GM constructs the new Zeta RWD architecture, says the source. There is no replacement coupe planned at this time and because of the strong Australian and weak U.S. dollar, the GTO had to be priced thousands over where GM originally wanted it -- in the mid-twenties, the source says. "It never did as much volume as we had hoped," the source says.

The GTO suggested retail price starts at $31,990, including shipping. One GM source says, "the 2005 and 2006 were pretty well sold out, and sales were especially strong in areas of GM weakness, like Southern California. It's a shame it has to go -- for now."

Another source says that GM has indicated that it would like to have another vehicle in that "space" in the future.

 

[Duke]

The C6 is indeed awesome and puts out some good numbers in terms of slalom speed and lateral grip. However, it tends to oversteer more often than one would like and overall handling feel (not necessarily actual handling figures) isn't quite up to par with its overseas competitors, hence the criticism from both Japanese and European journalists. And although it does have an interior that is leaps ahead of the C5's interior, it is still very much American (take it how you want). American car manufacturers always have been about functionality and getting the job done, more so than anything else. Don't get me wrong... I wouldn't mind having one, especially if my budget for a car was between $40,000 and $50,000.

True, i was more referring to the leap in performance over the C5. It's a great car, but still has a lot of shortcomings. The Z06 is dope too, but it doesnt really add much to it. They just kicked the engine size up. I'd want to see American engines get a bit more sophisticated instead of just being big.

I guess that's Euro-thinking though. I want 100hp/litre on NA. Like the new Audi RS4's.

i was just looking at a site just for GTOs...the aftermarket parts amazing...superchargers for around 4K...not bad...if i had a GTO, i throw in one of those...adds on 50% more hp...so it comes with 400...half of that, 200...so 600 horses...beautiful....

while i like the EVO, it doesnt look aggressive...to be honest, it looks like a mouse...with that spoiler like a tail, the annoying buzz it makes as it goes by...would you rather your engine hum or roar?? give me a japanese car taht roars...not many...not many are even V8's, but thats understandable, japanese dont want power...but what does the EVO have?? i think it has a 6...

DeeezNuts already set the record straight and I don't want to add insult to injury, but you have to understand that the Japanese don't make cars go fast like Yankees do. American manufacturers just throw in huge engine. While that gives a lot of torque they don't rev hard due to the size and weight. Now the Japanese take smaller engines and tend to turbocharge 'em. And if it's NA the hp/litre ratio is usually a lot better than US engines. And on the whole better tunable too.

And Japanese don't want power? :laugh: That's why they build the Supras, Skylines, GTO/GT3000's, Impreza's, Evo's......
They are tons of horribly fast cars in Japan. 1000bhp Supras and Skylines are very feasible.

And some of them make very exciting sounds. Supras growl, Skylines sound fab with that high pitched mechanical throb. Prezas have their typical boxer hum, Evo's fuckin' scream in higher revs.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I guess that's Euro-thinking though. I want 100hp/litre on NA. Like the new Audi RS4's.

I feel the same way, and I knew I wanted 100+ hp/L. But with my price range, the only car that is NA and 100+ hp/L is the Acura RSX Type-S, and that car is retardedly slow by today's standards, and the Honda S2000, which is totally impractical for someone like me, so the Evo was the way to go, plus it generates a ton more torque. But I would love to have one of the higher-end European cars with 100+ hp/L some day.

And Japanese don't want power? :laugh: That's why they build the Supras, Skylines, GTO/GT3000's, Impreza's, Evo's......
They are tons of horribly fast cars in Japan. 1000bhp Supras and Skylines are very feasible.

Exactly. The motor in the '93-'97 Supra Turbos had what were arguably the strongest, most mod-friendly engine blocks ever made. The Skyline and Evo motors are up there as well.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

As an update, my car has been fully broken in, since the 600 mile break-in period has passed, and I am now at around 800 miles. The car has insane pull all the way to redline (which I didn't expect in an AWD car) and gobbles up freeway onramps with confidence-inspiring grip. Fuel consumption has been getting better, since my first tank was about 19.33 mpg and this past one (with a lot of pulls to redline, I might add) was about 21.97. I'm taking this next tank gently just to see what kind of fuel consumption I can get when I'm not blasting past every single car, truck, motorcycle, bird, etc. in motion.

 

[Duke]

As an update, my car has been fully broken in, since the 600 mile break-in period has passed, and I am now at around 800 miles. The car has insane pull all the way to redline (which I didn't expect in an AWD car) and gobbles up freeway onramps with confidence-inspiring grip. Fuel consumption has been getting better, since my first tank was about 19.33 mpg and this past one (with a lot of pulls to redline, I might add) was about 21.97.bI'm taking this next tank gently just to see what kind of fuel consumption I can get when I'm not blasting past every single car, truck, motorcycle, bird, etc. in motion.

10 bucks says you fail overtaking is too much fun

 

[simo]

As an update, my car has been fully broken in, since the 600 mile break-in period has passed, and I am now at around 800 miles. The car has insane pull all the way to redline (which I didn't expect in an AWD car) and gobbles up freeway onramps with confidence-inspiring grip. Fuel consumption has been getting better, since my first tank was about 19.33 mpg and this past one (with a lot of pulls to redline, I might add) was about 21.97. I'm taking this next tank gently just to see what kind of fuel consumption I can get when I'm not blasting past every single car, truck, motorcycle, bird, etc. in motion.

sounds like your having fun. congrats on your purchase, i have always liked the evo's. i have noticed that in the past 1-2yrs, the number of evo's on the roads here in sydney has greatly increased which is a good thing. i'll be looking to buy a new car this year and will hopefully be able to afford a turbocharged car, so i'm looking at the WRX, 200sx and older model evo's. i will only have say $20000 (AUS) to spend. what do you think of the older gsrs and evos?

on a side note, my friend just last week finally got his Skyline GTR back on the road after about 3 months of it sitting in a garage (blew 2 gearboxes). now, he wised up and chose to put in a strengthened gearbox so hopefully it can withstand the beating he gives it everytime he drives.

 

[Duke]

Nice, which generation Skyline ^^? Any work done to it?

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

i'll be looking to buy a new car this year and will hopefully be able to afford a turbocharged car, so i'm looking at the WRX, 200sx and older model evo's. i will only have say $20000 (AUS) to spend. what do you think of the older gsrs and evos?

I don't know how much used cars go for in Australia, but a WRX wouldn't be a bad starting point. It's a fun car out of the box, and the aftermarket support for it nowadays is pretty good. If I were you, I would look into an '04-'05 WRX since they were, in my opinion, the best looking WRXs on that chassis out of the three different body styles, plus it has the center-mounted tach and a few other goodies. The stock 17" rims on the JDM/UK/AUS WRXs are really awesome, a lot of U.S. WRX owners would kill to have those. I've always been a big WRX fan and originally wanted to purchase one.
But on the subject of Evos, what year and model would you look into? Pretty much any Evo is a beast, especially if it's an Evo V or above.

 

[tennis_dog]

"And some of them make very exciting sounds. Supras growl, Skylines sound fab with that high pitched mechanical throb. Prezas have their typical boxer hum, Evo's fuckin' scream in higher revs."

now is this when we're driving the car, or when we're fucking it in the muffler??

generally, V6's dont hum...they cry when they're in the higher gears....the evo, i dunno, what is it, an in-line 4 or a v6??? it sounds terrible....imprezas are v8's, i believe and so are skylines...and they do make an impression when they pull up....the person i was tlaking about about that had the evo nearby me, he was going about 90 mph on a small highway nearby....sounds like something lit something under its ass, it was wailing so loud.....

and personally, maybe im not into cars as much as you...i've never heard of a horsepower to a liter ratio...must be something you danes do....whether japanese makes cars, this way or that, japanese cars still sound like bitches when you race them...yes....lets tune them...because they suck the way they are when we buy the, so we must waste tons of money to tune them, and put words written in japanese on the windshield...i dont know what they mean, but they make me feel asian and asians are cool and drive riceburners....please... im sure i could make an American car even better than it allready is if i "tuned" it....


"1000bhp Supras and Skylines are very feasible."

they are also very illegal...lets build an american muscle car according to japanese standards and then we'll see....

and what are people from holland called?? you call me yankee, which is fine...but what are you? hollish? hollandic?? hollarian? hollerese?? yes, i'll stop...

 

[simo]

Nice, which generation Skyline ^^? Any work done to it?

R32. 1993 model, Aus. spec which means 1 of 100 built specifically for Australia (small changes such as a 260km/h speedo and antenna).

Has a racing oil cooler, racing injectors, cam work and racing coil packs. Plans are to replace the standard turbos, install an Apexi computer and boost controller. Awesome car to drive.

But on the subject of Evos, what year and model would you look into? Pretty much any Evo is a beast, especially if it's an Evo V or above.

well i dont really know the prices of the later models of evo's are here, but like i said unfortunately i cant go for the latest models, which in my opinion look the best.

 

[PELLA]

make sure you give her an oil change every 4000 km.

 

[Duke]

"And some of them make very exciting sounds. Supras growl, Skylines sound fab with that high pitched mechanical throb. Prezas have their typical boxer hum, Evo's fuckin' scream in higher revs."

now is this when we're driving the car, or when we're fucking it in the muffler??

generally, V6's dont hum...they cry when they're in the higher gears....the evo, i dunno, what is it, an in-line 4 or a v6??? it sounds terrible....imprezas are v8's, i believe and so are skylines...and they do make an impression when they pull up....the person i was tlaking about about that had the evo nearby me, he was going about 90 mph on a small highway nearby....sounds like something lit something under its ass, it was wailing so loud.....

and personally, maybe im not into cars as much as you...i've never heard of a horsepower to a liter ratio...must be something you danes do....whether japanese makes cars, this way or that, japanese cars still sound like bitches when you race them...yes....lets tune them...because they suck the way they are when we buy the, so we must waste tons of money to tune them, and put words written in japanese on the windshield...i dont know what they mean, but they make me feel asian and asians are cool and drive riceburners....please... im sure i could make an American car even better than it allready is if i "tuned" it....


"1000bhp Supras and Skylines are very feasible."

they are also very illegal...lets build an american muscle car according to japanese standards and then we'll see....

and what are people from holland called?? you call me yankee, which is fine...but what are you? hollish? hollandic?? hollarian? hollerese?? yes, i'll stop...

WTH? Please do some basic research before talking crap.

Prezzas: 4 cyl flat turbocharged (boxer engine) (2/2.5 lt)
Evo: 4 cyl inline turbocharged (2 lt)
Supra: 6 cyl inline turbocharged (3 lt)
Skyline 6 cyl inline twin turbocharged (2.6 lit)


Japanese barely build V8 engines. And no i'm not talking about fucking it in the muffler, i'm talking induction noise. Engine noise.


"and personally, maybe im not into cars as much as you...i've never heard of a horsepower to a liter ratio...must be something you danes do...."

Us Danes? First off, i'm Dutch (not Hollish), not Danish. Second, it's a very simple comparison between engine size and engine power. It's not an obscure term used only in the cellars of Europe.


"whether japanese makes cars, this way or that, japanese cars still sound like bitches when you race them...yes....lets tune them...because they suck the way they are when we buy the, so we must waste tons of money to tune them, and put words written in japanese on the windshield...i dont know what they mean, but they make me feel asian and asians are cool and drive riceburners....please... im sure i could make an American car even better than it allready is if i "tuned" it...."


Are you stupid? How are you going to build an American car to japanese standards? And wouldn't it then be very bit as illegal as 1000bhp Supras/Skylers? (i even doubt they actually are illegal in Japan).

Most Japanese cars are a lot better stock than American cars. You're so fond of the GTO, while it's a big barge with next to no cornering ability, horrid build quality, a engine dating back to times of the Roman empire, and you have the audacity to talk shit about a lot of fine Japanese machines?

 

[tennis_dog]

are 1000 hp CARS legal on the streets?? no, they arent..you live in fuckin hoeland...you dont know american road rules...do not even attempt to act like you know american rules....

skylines, and maybe other japanese cars, are built under regulations that i heard were very low....the windshield doesnt have that shatter thing where if it were to be smashed it would still stay in one piece, just most of the impact would be dispersed along the entire windshield....cars in japan dont require those safety features...on top of that, 1000 hp cars are legal...beautiful....lets kill our citizens...

" Japanese barely build V8 engines"


um, all lexuses but two, several toyotas....infiniti....nissan...there's a honda....that have V8's....i know in japan there is no need for a v8 since the streets are small and crowded, but in america, they do build alotta v8s.....

"You're so fond of the GTO, while it's a big barge with next to no cornering ability, horrid build quality, a engine dating back to times of the Roman empire, and you have the audacity to talk shit about a lot of fine Japanese machines?"

i had no idea there were pontiacs, let alone GTO's in Hoeland....have you ever driven one? seems like you cut and paste something out of a Car and Driver magazine, to me....

if im racing, we'll assume on the street...i'd be a straightaway....whether my car can turn or not doesnt matter...do you know why?? cuz there's no fuckin turns...if i were to just race a skyline or an impreza from rest, i could easily beat it..top speed...0-60....what did you call it??? a barge??? that really poses the question...what do you drive??? im sure it isnt something worth mentioning....no dissing or anything, but to be able to rate cars as shitty you gotta drive something of that car's caliber...maybe not performance wise, but if you drive a kia, and have the balls to say that the new bmw 3 series cant corner for shit, whether its true or not, your comment doesnt really count.....


now, yes, i think we've established the fact that maybe in not that much into cars as your are...i'd buy my GTO not knowing that your impreza could "outedge" it...explain to me why they're called inline 4 or 6's and why japanese dont use the terms V8 and 6.....gimme a crash course on this, someone.....maybe i'll make a topic about it....

 

[PELLA]

lol @ Hoeland

 

[Freedom Froggy]

lmao


its only illegal if u get caught

and tennis dog... inline motors produce a hell of a lot more power for the size of the engine than regular V shaped cylinders do.. thats why the supra/skyline are so powerful.

AUDI ALL THE WAY!!!

 

[tennis_dog]

then why are american cars made with v shaped cylinders and not inlines??? something just the other countries do???

 

[Freedom Froggy]

no... actually my dad has an inline 6 88 ford truck.. lol.. just a work truck

and theres nothing wrong with the power that v shaped cylinders produce.. its really the reliability of american cars thats the problem and the suspension lol

but regardless. i love mustangs.. and i love to see turboed mustangs.. so its whatever

 

[Freedom Froggy]

id love to see a TT 5.0 mustang 87-93