Opinions on Mitsubishi Evo IX?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

skylines, and maybe other japanese cars, are built under regulations that i heard were very low....the windshield doesnt have that shatter thing where if it were to be smashed it would still stay in one piece, just most of the impact would be dispersed along the entire windshield....cars in japan dont require those safety features...on top of that, 1000 hp cars are legal...beautiful....lets kill our citizens...

Says who? Your pimple-popping high school friends? What makes you think the Japanese have such poorer safety standards than the U.S.? And shatter-proof windshields are the standard for all road cars. It has nothing to do with dispersing the impact across the whole windshield. And it's not high horsepower that kills citizens, it's idiot drivers who do a fine job of that.

i know in japan there is no need for a v8 since the streets are small and crowded, but in america, they do build alotta v8s.....

Wrong. Street size has nothing to do with it. The Japanese are just clever enough to be able to make smaller engines that make just as much power as American V-8s.

now, yes, i think we've established the fact that maybe in not that much into cars as your are...i'd buy my GTO not knowing that your impreza could "outedge" it...explain to me why they're called inline 4 or 6's and why japanese dont use the terms V8 and 6.....gimme a crash course on this, someone.....maybe i'll make a topic about it....

So now that we've established the fact that you don't know shit about cars, maybe you need to stop talking like you do. Your arguments are some of the worst I've ever read, backed by little or no research beyond what your high school friends say. The number of the engine refers to the number of cylinders it has. You're 16, trying to brag about how you think "your" GTO (that you don't own and probably won't own ever) is all fast, yet you don't even know one type of engine from another? Man, you're dumber than I thought.

then why are american cars made with v shaped cylinders and not inlines??? something just the other countries do???

For one thing, the cylinder is the shape of a CYLINDER, not a V. "V" refers to how the cylinders are setup. Inline engines state that the cylinders are all lined up next to each other. In a V-8, it has two rows of four cylinders, arranged in a "V" shape. And the reason why Japan doesn't use it too often is because they build mostly four-cylinders. An inline-six is still feasible, and is the setup BMW has used for years. But when it comes to eight cylinders, an engine with them setup inline would be too long, so that's why they're all V-8s, V-10s, V-12s, etc.

Simply put, you need to stop posting out of defense because you are just WRONG about the majority of the things you are saying. Have you even driven a GTO? Or any of the cars we've discussed? Or even a car with a manual transmission? We're not attacking you because you're 16 or because your favorite car is the GTO or whatever, but because you're trying to talk down to us like you know better, but then you talk about how you aren't as big of a car guy as us yet you are compelled to continue trying to school us on what car is better. Then you go off trying to make fun of the guys who live overseas as a pathetic effort to save face. You've got a lot to learn, and not just about cars.

 

[ARon]

Tennis, after reading some of this, you dont know what you are talking about. Sorry.
Honda, nor Nissan have v8 cars on the market right now. Nissan has the Titan, which is a truck.
But I dont want to get into it too much but you are giving Americans who know what they talk about a bad name. Seriously.

 

[tennis_dog]

i agree, but

"Then you go off trying to make fun of the guys who live overseas as a pathetic effort to save face."

he started it off by calling me a yank....

 

[Duke]

Yeah, calling someone a "Yank" is sooooo derogatory.

are 1000 hp CARS legal on the streets?? no, they arent..you live in fuckin hoeland...you dont know american road rules...do not even attempt to act like you know american rules....

I was talking about Japanese regulations actually.

skylines, and maybe other japanese cars, are built under regulations that i heard were very low....the windshield doesnt have that shatter thing where if it were to be smashed it would still stay in one piece, just most of the impact would be dispersed along the entire windshield....cars in japan dont require those safety features...on top of that, 1000 hp cars are legal...beautiful....lets kill our citizens...

Yeah, the engine power really defines how easily you can kill someone with it.

You can kill someone with a 6hp Deux Chevaux as well as with aF1 car.

" Japanese barely build V8 engines"


um, all lexuses but two, several toyotas....infiniti....nissan...there's a honda....that have V8's....i know in japan there is no need for a v8 since the streets are small and crowded, but in america, they do build alotta v8s.....

Surprise, those cars are built for the American market.

"You're so fond of the GTO, while it's a big barge with next to no cornering ability, horrid build quality, a engine dating back to times of the Roman empire, and you have the audacity to talk shit about a lot of fine Japanese machines?"

i had no idea there were pontiacs, let alone GTO's in Hoeland....have you ever driven one? seems like you cut and paste something out of a Car and Driver magazine, to me....

The GTO isn't a Pontiac, it's a Holden really (like Deeez pointed out earlier). Have you ever driven one? I haven't no, but the opinion of 2 dozen veteran automotive journo's does it for me.

if im racing, we'll assume on the street...i'd be a straightaway....whether my car can turn or not doesnt matter...do you know why?? cuz there's no fuckin turns...if i were to just race a skyline or an impreza from rest, i could easily beat it..top speed...0-60....what did you call it??? a barge??? that really poses the question...what do you drive??? im sure it isnt something worth mentioning....no dissing or anything, but to be able to rate cars as shitty you gotta drive something of that car's caliber...maybe not performance wise, but if you drive a kia, and have the balls to say that the new bmw 3 series cant corner for shit, whether its true or not, your comment doesnt really count.....

1.) Why only on a straightaway? Afraid of the corners?
2.) I doubt a GTO can take Sky's. Prezza's, maybe.
3.) What I drive is totally irrelevant to my car knowledge or the value of my opinion. But if you want to know, I drive my dad's car, which is a '93 Saab 900 Turbo.

now, yes, i think we've established the fact that maybe in not that much into cars as your are...i'd buy my GTO not knowing that your impreza could "outedge" it...explain to me why they're called inline 4 or 6's and why japanese dont use the terms V8 and 6.....gimme a crash course on this, someone.....maybe i'll make a topic about it....

Deeez already explained this, but honestly, 5 minutes of Google research tells you all you want to know. I'm not trying to belittle you, 5 years ago I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an I4 and a v10. Google is your friend. If you don't know what type of engine a Skyline sports, go to Google, type "Skyline engine" and just read.

You're passionate about cars, which is good, but again like Deeez said, you're trying to talk down to "us" when you don't even know the difference between engine abbreviations. And it makes you look really stupid.


"Hoeland" was catchy, though, if a tad childish.

 

[ARon]

By the way. 1000hp cars are not illegal in the US.

 

[C.R.Y.]

^yes they are. theres tons of them. mustangs, supras, vipers, 3000gts, corvettes. they pass emissions so they are street legal. go to supra forums and youll see how many guys are putting out 800-1###rwhp and riding it legally on the street. ever heard of the the doug levin twin turbo viper, it makes over 1000bhp and its street legal. its hard to make them cars street legal because of emissions, but its possible.

 

[tennis_dog]

k, i googled some shit up...im still confused....an in line six is...well...what i know as a v6, just that arranged in a line....now, does this go from front to back, or side to side of the car??? cuz i know there are both kinds...and are these known as boxer engines, or are those where cylinders dont move up and down, they're positioned horizontally and therefore move side to side???

and what is the LS1 and the LS2?? i even saw an LS7 there too..and maybe an LS9 too...what does LS mean?

 

[ARon]

^yes they are. theres tons of them. mustangs, supras, vipers, 3000gts, corvettes. they pass emissions so they are street legal. go to supra forums and youll see how many guys are putting out 800-1###rwhp and riding it legally on the street. ever heard of the the doug levin twin turbo viper, it makes over 1000bhp and its street legal. its hard to make them cars street legal because of emissions, but its possible.

I said they are not illegal, as in they are legal....

 

[Duke]

k, i googled some shit up...im still confused....an in line six is...well...what i know as a v6, just that arranged in a line....now, does this go from front to back, or side to side of the car??? cuz i know there are both kinds...and are these known as boxer engines, or are those where cylinders dont move up and down, they're positioned horizontally and therefore move side to side???

and what is the LS1 and the LS2?? i even saw an LS7 there too..and maybe an LS9 too...what does LS mean?

Usually front to back, although transversely mounted engines aren't uncommon (the Mini was the first that put the engine this way, takes up little space).

And those aren't boxer engines. The pistons still move vertically in an inline engine. Boxer engines have horizontally placed cylinders, so the pistons make a boxer movement (hence the "boxer" name). Porsche uses this set-up a lot, as do Imprezas (and Beetles ).


LS1, LS2 are the factory designations of Chevy engines i believe. Has nothing to do with the build of the engine, really, it's just a designation. It depends on the manufacturer whether they'll call their engine something weird or something practical (Skyline engines are designated as RB26TT).

www.howstuffworks.com = God. Even complicated shit such as transmissions and differentials are explained clearly.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

and what is the LS1 and the LS2?? i even saw an LS7 there too..and maybe an LS9 too...what does LS mean?

Those are the names of the engines. The LS1 refers to the 5.7-liter V-8 (with 345 hp) that powered the previous C5 Corvette and the 2005 GTO. The LS2 refers to the 6.0-liter V-8 (with 400 hp) that powers the current C6 Corvette and the outgoing GTO and a few other cars/trucks. The LS7 refers to the 7.0-liter V-8 (with 505 hp) that powers the current C6 Z06 Corvette.

 

[tennis_dog]

ah ok....thats cool....

now i tried looking up game ratios, they kinda confused me in games like gran turismo....tighter ones are good, or looser ones?

 

[C.R.Y.]

I said they are not illegal, as in they are legal....

my bad lol

 

[Duke]

ah ok....thats cool....

now i tried looking up game ratios, they kinda confused me in games like gran turismo....tighter ones are good, or looser ones?

Again, depends. For engines with a narrow power band (say, a highly tuned RX-7) you'd want more tight ratios to keep going. If it makes it's power from 6000 through to 8000 RPM, you don't wanna see it drop to 4000 rpm when you shift up at 7.5k. So the ratio has to be tight to keep the engine speed in it's power band.

While an American car (with more than enough torque down below to get things moving) would suffer from tight ratios and is much better off with more spaced ones.

In general, tight ratios are better for acceleration and spaced ratios do more for your top end.

Depends on the car really. There's no universal right or wrong concerning gear ratios. Depends on car, racing event, track type, personal choice etc.

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Again, depends. For engines with a narrow power band (say, a highly tuned RX-7) you'd want more tight ratios to keep going. If it makes it's power from 6000 through to 8000 RPM, you don't wanna see it drop to 4000 rpm when you shift up at 7.5k. So the ratio has to be tight to keep the engine speed in it's power band.

While an American car (with more than enough torque down below to get things moving) would suffer from tight ratios and is much better off with more spaced ones.

In general, tight ratios are better for acceleration and spaced ratios do more for your top end.

Depends on the car really. There's no universal right or wrong concerning gear ratios. Depends on car, racing event, track type, personal choice etc.

Exactly. Typically smaller engines will have tighter ratios, but the sixth gear (if it has one) is usually tall, so that way you can do your accelerating in the lowest gears while the last gear is for freeway cruising (lower rpms) and definitely not for quick acceleration, so that way you can maximize your fuel efficiency. Big V-8s, however, don't really suffer from this as much, which is why some cars like the C6 Z06 can achieve 26 mpg on the freeway (according to GM) thanks to its low cruising rpms in sixth gear while having an assload of power at that low of an rpm.

And to go slightly back on-track regarding the thread topic as well as this current discussion, I opted for the 5-speed Evo (since it still gets better gas mileage than the 6-speed Evo MR while being $6,000 cheaper), and with around 1200 miles on it, I have a good understanding of the car. The gearing on this car is mostly for acceleration, and even in 5th gear at 70 mph I can still accelerate pretty quickly, even uphill. (I got to experiment with this last night while leaving my parents' house and going back to mine, I know I easily could've hit 140 by the top of the uphill portion of the freeway without downshifting.) However, the 6-speed Evo MR has slightly different ratios, and staying in the top gear (sixth, in the MR) would probably be a lot slower in comparison due to its gearing, thus requiring a downshift into fourth or fifth gear.

 

[Cooper]

how much to insure?

 

[PELLA]

^ thats what i wanna know

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

how much to insure?

^ thats what i wanna know

I forgot exactly. Since I'm 22 and my rates for the car would probably suck, the car was purchased under both my father and myself, so my dad is listed as the primary driver, so it's a lot cheaper than it would be under me alone. I'll have to look through my paperwork.

 

[tennis_dog]

well, isnt the evo built to race?? isnt everything on it built in order to maximize the potential of a 340+hp engine in a tiny car? so kinda going back even further to an older argument, cars like the GTO, which was what i used, but other cars such as the vette, viper, and any other american car of comparable performance cant even be compared to the EVO, or the skyline, since those cars were actually built to race....who races a GTO??? i dunno, but i dont think a young adult could afford the MSRP of 36 grand to afford a GTO..and that's just stock....so maybe it wasnt such a good comparision on my part...

 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

well, isnt the evo built to race?? isnt everything on it built in order to maximize the potential of a 340+hp engine in a tiny car? so kinda going back even further to an older argument, cars like the GTO, which was what i used, but other cars such as the vette, viper, and any other american car of comparable performance cant even be compared to the EVO, or the skyline, since those cars were actually built to race....who races a GTO??? i dunno, but i dont think a young adult could afford the MSRP of 36 grand to afford a GTO..and that's just stock....so maybe it wasnt such a good comparision on my part...

Actually all of the cars you just mentioned were all technically built to race. The difference is the type of races. The Evo was made for rallying (racing against the clock on various paths in various countries, ranging from tarmac to gravel to dirt to mud to snow, including straights, curves, twisties, jumps, etc.) while the Skyling and the American cars you mentioned all compete in different types of races (I forget which kind).

 

[Duke]

Actually all of the cars you just mentioned were all technically built to race. The difference is the type of races. The Evo was made for rallying (racing against the clock on various paths in various countries, ranging from tarmac to gravel to dirt to mud to snow, including straights, curves, twisties, jumps, etc.) while the Skyling and the American cars you mentioned all compete in different types of races (I forget which kind).

GT500 series i think. Also Japanese championships. None of those cars originated as racing cars, though. Most are sport coupe's, the Evo is a grocery getter reworked as maniacially fast rally cannon. But all versions boast impressive racing models.