Mayor Blames Gangs for Anti-Nazi Violence

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TOLEDO, Ohio - A crowd that gathered to protest a white supremacists' march Saturday turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalizing vehicles and stores, and setting fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said.

Mayor Jack Ford blamed the rioting on gang members taking advantage of a volatile situation. He declared a state of emergency, set an 8 p.m. curfew through the weekend, and asked the Highway Patrol for help.

"It's exactly what they wanted," Ford said of the group that planned the march, which was canceled because of the rioting.

At least two dozen members of the National Socialist Movement, which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," had gathered at a city park to march under police protection. Organizers said they were demonstrating against black gangs they said were harassing white residents.

Violence broke out away along the planned march route shortly before it was to begin. One group of men pounded on a convenience store. Others overturned vehicles. A fire was set in a nearby bar.

For several hours, about 150 police officers chased bands of young men through the area. Officers wearing gas masks fired tear gas canisters and flash-bang devices designed to stun suspects, only to see the groups reform and resume throwing rocks and bottles.

Finally, police marched shoulder-to-shoulder down the street shouting to people to stay inside, and the crowd of several hundred retreated and then dispersed.

At least two dozen people were arrested on charges including assault, vandalism, failure to obey police and failure to disperse.

"We frankly could have made a couple hundred arrests easily," Police Chief Mike Navarre said. He said the white supremacists left shortly after the march was canceled.

The mayor had appealed to residents the night before to ignore the march. He said the city wouldn't give the Nazi group a permit to march in the streets but couldn't stop them from walking on the sidewalks like other citizens.

When the rioting broke out, Ford tried to negotiate with those involved, but "they weren't interested in that."

He said they were mostly "gang members who had real or imagined grievances and took it as an opportunity to speak in their own way."

"I am disappointed that some folks who clearly are not strong citizens to begin with took this opportunity to make this statement," Ford said. "I was chagrined that there were obvious mothers and children in the crowd with them. Several intimated that they had guns."

Thomas Frisch, 76, said a large group of men destroyed the exterior of a gas station next to his home of 30 years.

"A whole big gang started to come in here. Next thing you know, they're jumping on the car. Then they overturned it. Then they started on the building, breaking windows, ripping the bars off," he said.

Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place.

"They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.

A spokesman for the National Socialist Movement blamed police for losing control of the situation.
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MR_HIP_HOP_HEAD said:
Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place.

"They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.
Bullshit. Like PuffnScruff pointed out in the other thread, these people, be they nazis or not, still have the right to protest. Disallowing them that right because dickheads have to get violent at them is stupid.

And indeed, the irony of the situation is first class.


Other than that, it's pretty sad something stupid like this whole thing has to happen.
 
Protesting is one thing.. but Racist protesting deserves violence

IF it was Black supremist i would have said they asked for it also so dont say im siding with the gangs... .. people are tired of NAzis walkin down the street preaching hate to another entire race

if the bloods and crips decided to get a permit for a protest they would get laughed at and thrown in jail
 
FrOgStRaDaMuS said:
Protesting is one thing.. but Racist protesting deserves violence

IF it was Black supremist i would have said they asked for it also so dont say im siding with the gangs... .. people are tired of NAzis walkin down the street preaching hate to another entire race

if the bloods and crips decided to get a permit for a protest they would get laughed at and thrown in jail
Everyone has the right to peaceful protest, regardless of how popular or unpopular their viewpoint is.

There are plenty of people out there who consider the NOI racist, would you say the Million More Movemenet "deserves violence" since it's being led by Farrakhan?
 
hes considered racist by some.. which he is in my oppinion toward white ppl .. but if that was the total truth he wouldnt call for the unification of black and brown races and other minorities

Nazis are flat out racist against anyone who they dont consider pure white christians
 
The thing about the millions more march... was he didnt degrade white people in any form other than the higher ups have all the power and most higher ups are white

millions more march was not racist at all.. it was just for the empowerment of blacks and other minorities to take control of there own destiny

so no i dont think it would be justified... but if he DID get up there degrading whites and calling white ppl devils.. some sort of protesting or some acts of violence would prolly be justified.. cause i look at it like this... "you asked for it ... you got it"

im not sayin that violence is the way to go.. cause its not but any type of backlash against a racist protest is basically "you asked for it ... you got it"
 
Duke said:
Bullshit. Like PuffnScruff pointed out in the other thread, these people, be they nazis or not, still have the right to protest. Disallowing them that right because dickheads have to get violent at them is stupid.

And indeed, the irony of the situation is first class.


Other than that, it's pretty sad something stupid like this whole thing has to happen.
by chance is your first name david?
 
Nobody Gives a Flyin Two Fucks that the Police basicaly instigated this whole shit n had it in their head a week before it happened. bet u had all them other forces on hold just waitin. send 'em them few hundred, start arrestin and tear gass everybody

What yr we in as to we blame blacks for anti nazi violence.

Shit and Even with that! Ppls true colors come out. Blamin' blacks for it? The Fuckin Nazis them selves were blamin the Police right out when it happened.

Like I said in the other thread. just another manipulation ploy to keep theblack communities down and to kick themselves.

"Shit, all is Gettin out of hand and it gettin worse and wrose. THESE NAZIS WAS DOING A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION AGAINST BLACK VIOLENCE BECUZZZZ YOU HEARD BOUT THAT WHITE GUY BEIN HARRASED LAST WEEK? HOLY SHIT. I EVEN HEARD THAT HELLA, BLACK GANGS, CAME TOGETHER AGAINST THESE NAZI'S"

then, One police death or two and teh whole cities on curfew til otherwise stated and 200 uniforms patrollin the night.




edit: The Bad part in my mind, is jus the rioting itself as 2 there havin to be one and innocents getin hurt But how the fuck is that the, simple focus of it? And how the fuck is the Nazi's the victims? aw shit skip who supplied the stones and stepped back
 
I think people should have the right to protest, but there has to be limits to who can protest. How can you allow people to protest their hatred towards black people. The police were wrong allowing this protest to take place.
 
EDouble said:
Like I said in the other thread. just another manipulation ploy to keep theblack communities down and to kick themselves.
Maybe the "black communities" should use a little common sense and realise that using violence to protest a group whose argument is that black are violent is a really stupid idea.

tupacmansion said:
I think people should have the right to protest, but there has to be limits to who can protest. How can you allow people to protest their hatred towards black people. The police were wrong allowing this protest to take place.
And who would impose these limits? Who do you trust to censor what you don't want to hear and nothing more? If I was an American, I really wouldn't want a right wing Christian fundamentalist Republican government telling me, a left wing atheist liberal, what is and is not appropriate.
 
hell no these worthless shits have no right to protest, what they represent an their history is horrible, they arent about peace period. This is what sickens me about this country is anytime a minority group formed or forms a "group" ie black panthers or AIM = American Indian Movement the government is quick to shut them down, imprison them an disband them, but these Nazi fucks who openly support killing all non aryans an jews are allowed to still exsist? bullshit too bad all of em werent wiped off the face of earth in the riots, May Allah deal with these people justly!
 
Kareem said:
hell no these worthless shits have no right to protest, what they represent an their history is horrible, they arent about peace period. This is what sickens me about this country is anytime a minority group formed or forms a "group" ie black panthers or AIM = American Indian Movement the government is quick to shut them down, imprison them an disband them, but these Nazi fucks who openly support killing all non aryans an jews are allowed to still exsist? bullshit too bad all of em werent wiped off the face of earth in the riots, May Allah deal with these people justly!
and thats from the heart.i really feel that shit.you other niggaz follow in example.this is a good post niggaz
 
No Cops Died EDouble.

Why The Neo-Nazi's Came To My Town Because of Three Things.
A White Man That Lives In the Neighborhood, Was Fed Up That The Black's Were Ruining His Neighborhood That he Lived In All His Life. The Young Black Gangs Destroying Property Hanging Out Til 3-4 In The Morning, Mind You That These Kids Were 14 To 16 Yrs Old. At That Age You Shouldnt Be Out That Late At Night. (Where Are The Parents?) These Kids need To be At School Not Living Street Life.

2 Weeks Ago A Family Was Coming Home From Grocery Shopping,
(A White Family). When They Walked In there Home. Two Black Men Were Ran Sacking The Place Stealing What They Could get. The Black Men Seen The White Father, There Was An Argument. The One Black Male Got Scared Pulled Out His Gun an Shot The Father Once In the Chest. The Black Men Ran Out The Back Door. The Father Was Taken To the Hospital Where He Died An Hour Later. (AND To This Day They Havent Solved The Murder or Made Any Arrests).


There Was A Young Girl That Was At A Friends House After School. She Was There Til Dark, She Left Her Friends House. Walking Home Alone, A Black Male Grabbed Her An Took Her In The back Of A Building An Raped Her. (Again The Cops Havent Solved The Case)


It Was These Things This Gentleman Had Told The Neo-Nazis On Their Website. He Got A Response A Few Days Later Saying They Would Come An March in The North Side Of Toledo.


Yes Our Cops Aint The Greatest. If Your Poor Here In Toledo, an You Call 911. The Police Dont Come Right Away. They Take 45 minutes to an Hour an a Half To Come To The Scene. In the Rich End Of Town There on The Scene In 20 Minutes. There Isnt Enough Cops Patrolling In My Neighborhood. Our Mayor Is On His Way Out This November He Will Not be Re-Elected. He's Done Screwed Up So Many Things Here In Toledo.


The Rioters Shouldnt Have Destroyed Their Community. If Ya Dont Like The Nazi's. You have A Right To Protest Go Cuss At Them If You Want. Dont Destroy Your Neighborhood You An Other People Live In.


We had the KKK Here In 95, They Spoke Downtown We Were Prepared Then, They Had Up A Fence, A Glass Shield, an Barb Wire an The Police Were Around The Area. They Showed On the News. Only 20 Blacks Were there Protesting Yelling At Them. The KKK Spoke For About 45 Minutes an Left.



On A Side Note, Their Beefing Up Security Tommorrow At My Old High School Were The Riots Took Place. Extra Police Will be Around an In the School. Their Were 114 Arrests made On Saturday. Damages Have been Estimated At $100,000 Dollars.

An It Has Been Confirmed That The Neo-Nazi's Want To Reschedule The March In That Same Neighborhood. The Mayor Is Gonna Try To Stop It By Getting A Court Order For Them Not To Come Back.
 
Snowman said:
No Cops Died EDouble.

Why The Neo-Nazi's Came To My Town Because of Three Things.
A White Man That Lives In the Neighborhood, Was Fed Up That The Black's Were Ruining His Neighborhood That he Lived In All His Life. The Young Black Gangs Destroying Property Hanging Out Til 3-4 In The Morning, Mind You That These Kids Were 14 To 16 Yrs Old. At That Age You Shouldnt Be Out That Late At Night. (Where Are The Parents?) These Kids need To be At School Not Living Street Life.

2 Weeks Ago A Family Was Coming Home From Grocery Shopping,
(A White Family). When They Walked In there Home. Two Black Men Were Ran Sacking The Place Stealing What They Could get. The Black Men Seen The White Father, There Was An Argument. The One Black Male Got Scared Pulled Out His Gun an Shot The Father Once In the Chest. The Black Men Ran Out The Back Door. The Father Was Taken To the Hospital Where He Died An Hour Later. (AND To This Day They Havent Solved The Murder or Made Any Arrests).


There Was A Young Girl That Was At A Friends House After School. She Was There Til Dark, She Left Her Friends House. Walking Home Alone, A Black Male Grabbed Her An Took Her In The back Of A Building An Raped Her. (Again The Cops Havent Solved The Case)


It Was These Things This Gentleman Had Told The Neo-Nazis On Their Website. He Got A Response A Few Days Later Saying They Would Come An March in The North Side Of Toledo.


Those things are truly fucked up, if i was a white dude i would have probably done the same thing, the Nazi's would prolly kill all the minorities if there had there way and there intentions probably arent rational or humane.

Theres no way the protest should have been aloud but shit, if I lived there and i was a white dude and blacks in my neighboughood were doing this shit and police wernt doing jack, id prolly go round exacting some well planned revenge.


shit was going down in the guys neighboughood, police wernt doing jack, he contacted the only people who he thought would do something, maybe Nazi's were the wrong choice but who else was there, are there any pro white groups that arent racist?
 
FUCK Nazi's PERIOD. FUCK them & EVERYTHING they stand 4. FUCK thier kidz FUCK thier dogz FUCK thier familiez FUCK EM. MAY THEY ALL BURN IN HELL & DIE OF A GANGREEN NUTSACK & SHOT KNEECAPS
 
wtf ?? they act like young white males dont terrorize neighborhoods... people commit crimes all fucking day but they dont march till it affects their community... sounds like some new jack city shit

fuck that excuse.. and fuck anyone who thinks that racist groups black or white should be able to insight a riot

i dont care what you say... it may be legal to protest but you should also be held legally responsible if a riot breaks out from the message you spread...

i hope all nazi protest end like it did in a time to kill...
 
Fact is, every black member in here so far has rebutted with swear words and and angry talk and those that debate by answering with swearing are fools.

Frogy said:
i dont care what you say... it may be legal to protest but you should also be held legally responsible if a riot breaks out from the message you spread...
Ridiculous and asinine, what you smoking on?
FrogGy said:
i hope all nazi protest end like it did in a time to kill...
What makes you different from the Nazis? I take it this is a attitude prevalent in the gang infested hoods.
What about people like me, who despise gangs (of any colour, creed) and their activities, their attitudes and their ways, do I get the same treatment?
 
FrOgStRaDaMuS said:
wtf ?? they act like young white males dont terrorize neighborhoods... people commit crimes all fucking day but they dont march till it affects their community... sounds like some new jack city shit

fuck that excuse.. and fuck anyone who thinks that racist groups black or white should be able to insight a riot

i dont care what you say... it may be legal to protest but you should also be held legally responsible if a riot breaks out from the message you spread...

i hope all nazi protest end like it did in a time to kill...

Do you ever blame blacks for anything?

"people commit crimes all fucking day but they dont march till it affects there community"

thats no excuse, people that commit crimes should be punished, your only looking at 1 side of the story, whats so diffrent between the gangs and the nazis, the nazis hate minorities and would kill them, the gangs kill minorities its the same thing, funny how the gangs could come together to stop nazis but they cant come together if it means making the neighboughood better.
 

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