is there a situation where rape is acceptable?

[Tru Principle]

dress anyway and you could be raped! it doesnt really matter what you wear, as most people seem to think. there have been old ladies raped! were they dressing to "provacativly"? probably not. most rapists could give two shits less what you're wearing! or how you're acting. its all about what they want and when they want it.

You're an intelligent and sensitive person, I only ask you read everything i've said as not to repeat myself.

but you nailed it on the head. it doesn't matter what the woman is wearing and how she's acting, the rapist will rape. hell, most rapes aren't about sex anyway, it's about domination, power. forcing sex is just their way of dominating. of course that's a general statement, but in a lot of cases it's true.

This is what Devious has said about my opinion, and it pretty much sums about what I truly think.

I'm just saying there IS something to DISCUSS about what you wear. Though ultimately, it really may make no difference !

 

[Sebastian]

I think there are certain situations where the girl is asking for it but no, no ones deserves to be raped.

I think a rapist deserves to be raped

A man NEEDS to learn how to respect a woman no matter what she is wearing.

Lol, what? I have to tolerate it somehow but i definitely dont have to respect it.

 

[keco52]

Everyone knows there are rapists, murderers, thieves...you should do things to protect yourself from these ppl...

If you're walking in a dark alley and your purse gets stolen from you...Is it your fault? No. Could you have done anything to prevent it...probably.

A woman NEVER deserves to get raped...but I think we all know the horrible things that happen in the world and you should do things to prevent these things from happening.

I can see my words being misconstrued but whatever..

 

[Devious]

well i agree with you, there are precautions you can take to avoid things like that from happening, but if you don't you are not to blame for it, and you certainly didn't ask for it or deserve it, which is basically what Trish was saying, and that mentality disgusts me. that is like saying an abused woman deserves the abuse cuz she "provoked" her boyfriend, so she had it coming.

 

[S O F I]

Devious187, you're dancing around the issue. Basically, it gets down to what others are saying. You are not to be blamed if you increase your risk of getting raped; you didn't deserve it. However, you might have been able to prevent it if you decreased some of the risks. Therefore, what are you arguing anymore?

As for Beautiful Angel, fuck having to respect a girl for wearing whatever she wants.

 

[Devious]

i'm not arguing with anyone, just adding my comments to other's posts, is that ok with you?

and i think what angel meant was just because a woman is wearing sexy clothes or something provocative, that doesn't give a guy the right to disrespect her or treat her like a whore. i don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[Rukas]

i am not naive about the situation...i'm just saying that i shouldnt have to wear long sleeved turtle neck shirts and loosly fitting pants JUST because there is the possiblity that i will be raped. I never walk in a dark parking lot alone! and i'm never without someone by my side when i go anywhere. i know this world is way to unsafe to think that just because it hasnt happen before that it wont happen.

i think its naive to think everyone who dresses a certain way is a slut thats asking to be raped!

If you're a flirt, and you said you were, and you get drunk, dress like a slut and act like a slut, you'll get treated like a slut.

You'll sleep with someone, sober up regret it and shout rape; even though the night before after 6 bacardi breezers you were acting like you wanted it.

Thats the problem with a lot of girls.

 

[Rukas]

In regards to an actual rape, most women raped are not sexy. Its not an attraction thing to the rapist, it's about power and control, so it does not matter what you are wearing. Thats in the traditional sense of rape.

The party rape drunk thing, its not really rape, its either a mistake on the girls part or the guy takes advantage of her most of the time; but its a sex thing, its not a power thing.

In my opinion those are the very different types or rapes that occur.

 

[keco52]

In regards to an actual rape, most women raped are not sexy. Its not an attraction thing to the rapist, it's about power and control, so it does not matter what you are wearing. Thats in the traditional sense of rape.

The party rape drunk thing, its not really rape, its either a mistake on the girls part or the guy takes advantage of her most of the time; but its a sex thing, its not a power thing.

In my opinion those are the very different types or rapes that occur.

Gabrielle Union was raped and I happen to think she's pretty damn sexy...I do agree that it's about power...sometimes.

 

[Devious]

In regards to an actual rape, most women raped are not sexy. Its not an attraction thing to the rapist, it's about power and control, so it does not matter what you are wearing. Thats in the traditional sense of rape.

The party rape drunk thing, its not really rape, its either a mistake on the girls part or the guy takes advantage of her most of the time; but its a sex thing, its not a power thing.

In my opinion those are the very different types or rapes that occur.

well the party rape type is what this was originally about, but then other examples got into it. i agree with you totally tho, they are 2 totally different types of rape, and that the other type is almost always about power and domination.

as for your comments to angel, i agree that if a girl dresses and acts a certain way, they are most likely to be treated that way.but that doesn't really make it right. look at the flipside of it. if someone is dressed in hip-hop style or urban clothing, does that mean you should assume they are criminals or gangbangers and treat them as though they are? i think the point she was trying to make is don't judge someone by their appearance. although i can't really speak for her, that's just my interpretation of it.

 

[Tha_Wood]

i did my class talk on women bring rape upon them selves, i'll try and find it and post it up if anybody wants

 

[Farzin]

No means no.

Rape is not a laughing matter unless its a clown. :-D

 

[Rukas]

well the party rape type is what this was originally about, but then other examples got into it. i agree with you totally tho, they are 2 totally different types of rape, and that the other type is almost always about power and domination.

as for your comments to angel, i agree that if a girl dresses and acts a certain way, they are most likely to be treated that way.but that doesn't really make it right. look at the flipside of it. if someone is dressed in hip-hop style or urban clothing, does that mean you should assume they are criminals or gangbangers and treat them as though they are? i think the point she was trying to make is don't judge someone by their appearance. although i can't really speak for her, that's just my interpretation of it.

That is the way the world is and that is the way people should live their lives.

Using your clothing example.

Say I go to a job interview at an IT firm or a Law firm whatever, and I am totally qualified for the job, but I walk in dressed in a baggy white T, du rag on my head, ice hanging out, baggy jeans, timbs, and smoking. I talk like a gangster "What up homie? Yo yo, gimmie some work yo! I needs to stack my papah!"

Im not going to get the job; even though I am qualified for it.

Whose fault is it? The companies for judging a book by its cover, or mine for acting a fool?

The answer is it is my fault for acting a fool and putting myself into that box and situation.

The same goes for girls that act like sluts, flirt, and act like they want to fuck, then they get drunk and what happens? They get fucked.

Whose fault is it?

Sure, the job interviewer shouldnt have judged me, sure the guy shouldnt have slept with the girl, IN THEORY! But this isnt theory, this isnt on paper, this is the real world.

If you dont want to be hit by a bus dont step onto the road without looking. If you do and you get hit, sure the bus driver is at technical fault he should have stopped, but you're the fucking idiot who put yourself in that spot, and you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[Devious]

ok, well here's another example. say a black man is walking down the street, wearing exactly what you had yourself wearing to the job interview. a cop stops him, assuming he's a gangbanger, and harasses and arrests him. is it his fault that a cop assumed he was a gangbanger, because he was dressed like one? well maybe he should think twice about leaving his house dressed that way, because people might judge him and assume he's a criminal.

i understand your point, and i agree with you somewhat, but if you judge people only on appearance then you are wrong. of course it's a part of the world, it happens every day, but that still doesn't make it right. racism also happens every day everywhere in the world, it's just a part of life, so i guess we should all accept it instead of trying to end that way of thinking, right?

and i'm not even disagreeing with you, because the example that you are using is the same one Trish used. if a girl gets drunk, has sex willingly with a guy and then the next day she regrets it and yells rape, then that is not rape and she is wrong. but if the girl says no, even tho she seemed willing, and the guy still forces her into having sex with her, that is rape and that is what i'm talking about. are you telling me that if you're with a girl, about to have sex with her, and she says no, you are going to force her to do it anyway? because that is what i am talking about, real rape, not some dumb bitch who cries rape cuz she made a bad decision.

 

[Rukas]

ok, well here's another example. say a black man is walking down the street, wearing exactly what you had yourself wearing to the job interview. a cop stops him, assuming he's a gangbanger, and harasses and arrests him. is it his fault that a cop assumed he was a gangbanger, because he was dressed like one? well maybe he should think twice about leaving his house dressed that way, because people might judge him and assume he's a criminal.

i understand your point, and i agree with you somewhat, but if you judge people only on appearance then you are wrong. of course it's a part of the world, it happens every day, but that still doesn't make it right. racism also happens every day everywhere in the world, it's just a part of life, so i guess we should all accept it instead of trying to end that way of thinking, right?

Its not about what you wear its about putting yourself into a situation.

Take that same black man and put him into the middle of a KKK meeting; then yeah, its wrong, but it's his own damn fault he should have known better.

Walking down the street and getting shot by a crooked cop is totally different. However is he goes to say a funeral where cops are mourning the loss of a fellow cop at the hands of a gang banger and he walks in C-Walking and throwing up signs; then it's his own damn fault.

Its the same with these girls, its not what they wear, its where they wear it and how they act. They KNOW these guys want to fuck and they provoke the situation; they should know better; and if they get raped... Look rape is ALWAYS wrong; but at a certain point these girls have to stop and say "You know what, it wouldnt have happened if I hadnt acted like a total slut."

Girls want attention but then cant handle it when it goes too far. You dont starve a lion only to dance in front of it covered in blood and BBQ sauce and then complain when the lion eats you. Its your own damn fault.

Rape is always wrong, and the act should always be punished, but that doesnt mean in these party situations, a lot of the time (not always) the girl isnt at fault.

 

[Devious]

well we can go back and forth all day with these examples and there really is no right or wrong. i agree with you that if a woman is going to act like a ho, then she shouldn't be mad when she is treated like one, like Chappelle said, don't wear the fuckin uniform if you don't want to get treated that way. and i can agree that some put themselves in a situation that could end up like that. i can't argue that.

but i would never agree to what Trish said, as she put it, "the drunk slut was asking for it" because regardless of the situation, no means no means no. if she made a bad decision and screams rape, well then too bad bitch, shouldn't have gotten so drunk you couldn't control yourself and agree to sex when you didn't want it. but no matter how drunk she is, and how much like a slut she is acting like, if she says no and you force her into it anyway, then she wasn't "asking for it" and it's not her fault.

 

[ImmortalTech]

I dont think anyone deserves to get raped. I think the act of raping some1 is worst than murdering em. But when it comes to girls being flirts and dressing all scandolous, and then expect to be treated with respect? C'mon are you serious? People need to grow up. Thats like dudes (me when I was younger) sporting colours or whatever, and then getting upset at cops for harrassing em, as if they're was always up to no good.

You dont wanna be treated a certain way, dont dress that way. Regardless of how u look at it, ppl judge u first by appearance. I respect women to the fullest. But I think theres a deference between real women and bitches/hoes. So to me a real woman can dress with modesty and demand her respect, and i'll be more than willing to give it.

.. and pesonally ok females that dress all scandolous and shit may look sexy and hot. But I find that women that dont need to be showing half her tits and dont need to be wearing short skirts to be noticed are the ones that are actually pretty and beautiful... and there aint nun more sexy than a beautiful woman that respects herself and demands others do aswell.

... but anyways back to the origanal question. fuck rapists... i dont think theres any situation where it would be acceptable.

 

[ARon]

I havent read through all this so sorry if this has been said before. If a chick is dressed like a slut, flirting, getting drunk, etc etc, she is probably having a good time, not asking to be raped.

 

[Eric]

The Rapists for 200, please.

 

[bhosu]

rape is NEVER acceptable
as far as respecting a woman even if she is dressin and/or acting like a slut: "if you dress like one,it doesn't mean you are a whore.....but you are wearing a whore's uniform "(dave chappelle)