is there a situation where rape is acceptable?

[Devious]

the question is pretty straightforward. i figured there was no use cluttering the snitching thread with this topic so i thought i'd start a new one. does anyone other than syn actually believe that there are situations where a woman deserves to get raped, or was asking for it? cuz i damn sure don't.

also, syn, have you ever worn a bikini? you do realize that a lot of guys would consider that sexy or provocative, right? so does that mean that if you got raped because you were wearing a bikini, it would be your fault? after all, you were dressed provocatively, so you must have been asking for it, right?

 

[Chronic]

When the bitch refuses to put out.

 

[_carmi]

nobody deserves to be raped. its wrong. no matter how much the woman may be provocative, a man must learn how to resist. thats how it is. plus men who rape women have always something wrong with them psychologically.

 

[Devious]

When the bitch refuses to put out.

i was hoping for more serious responses i know you're joking (at least i hope you are ) but i'm trying to ask a serious question and hoping for more serious responses lol

 

[Devious]

nobody deserves to be raped. its wrong. no matter how much the woman may be provocative, a man must learn how to resist. thats how it is. plus men who rape women have always something wrong with them psychologically.

so you think that if a woman is fooling around with a guy and then decides she doesn't want to have sex, she doesn't deserve to be raped? FINALLY someone who makes sense. it doesn't matter that a girl is drunk and fooling around with a guy, no means no means no means no. but according to trish, changing your mind about having sex is putting yourself in harm's way. so note to all you ladies, if you are fooling around with a guy and he wants to have sex and you don't, it's your own fault if you get raped. so says syn anyway.

 

[Pittsey]

A person has a right to refuse / or stop sex at any point.




And being in the wrong company or unknown company when drunk is a mistake, and stupid if someone puts themself in that situation.... But no way do they deserve to be raped... That is a poor attitude to have... I would never justify a crime with that belief.

 

[Chronic]

I think there are certain situations where the girl is asking for it but no, no ones deserves to be raped. It's like playing with fireworks. You don't deserve to get burned but you make a mistake and you'll pay the price.
Changing your mind about sex is definitely not one of those situations. Getting drunk in a mini-skirt and flirting with every guy in the room is.
But a girl should be allowed to do what she wants without facing such serious repercussions.

 

[Pittsey]

It's a persons right to change their mind... It is even their right to be a prick tease... Or to suck your dick for 10 minutes and decide they don't wanna continue.... It isn't illegal....


But forcing someone into sex physically, (and even non-physically; ask Mystikal) is against the law... And for good reason.

 

[Devious]

A person has a right to refuse / or stop sex at any point.




And being in the wrong company or unknown company when drunk is a mistake, and stupid if someone puts themself in that situation.... But no way do they deserve to be raped... That is a poor attitude to have... I would never justify a crime with that belief.

exactly. putting yourself in that position isn't very smart, but that does not mean she's asking for it, or deserves it. and this whole "putting yourself in harm's way" argument is pure crap anyway. i mean, going out to your car after work or school when it's dark could be considered putting yourself in harm's way, does that mean that if you get attacked in that situation you put yourself in harm's way, and it's your fault? there is just no logic in that.

 

[Prize Gotti]

I've never understood the logic beind rape. I could never get turned on by forcing someone to have sex with me. I get off on seeing my sexual parter getting off on it. If they are upset and in pain, thats a real big turn off.

 

[Tru Principle]

No, but I do understand why some have claimed certain women "ask for it" in a sense. But sure, these women don't deserve it by any means.

Although some have argued that actually it is their fault. I think there's a fine line between tempting fate and actually being at fault. I'd go with the former conclusion because the latter seems dehumanize the victim and really make it as though the rapist isn't the one to blame when he is.

 

[Devious]

well there are situations where one could be seen as tempting fate, but wearing a provocative (or seemingly provocative in a person's eyes; what is sexy and provocative is a purely subjective thing) outfit can hardly be seen as tempting fate. now if a girl is hitting on every guy in the club and making herself appear apparently available, that might be tempting fate, but that still does not mean that it is acceptable to rape her if she says no when the time comes, or that she was asking for it.

 

[Beautiful Angel]

I do not think that just because I go out to a club dressed the way I want to dress and drink means I'm asking to be raped!! I'm out to have a good time with my friends. I have a decent body and IF I want to dress in a way that is "provacative" then so be it. Last I checked this was a free country and I could dress however I would like. A man NEEDS to learn how to respect a woman no matter what she is wearing.
Oh yeah AND I'm a flirt, thats how I am. That doesn't mean I'm asking to be raped either! I've never went any farther than flirting and EVERY guy I meet knows I have a boyfriend.

Just because YOU (trish) dont drink and dont dress "provacatively" doesnt mean that everyone who does is a slut! I'm pretty sure you know me and you know me well. am I really someone you would call a slut? or are you just juding a book by its cover??

 

[Tru Principle]

well there are situations where one could be seen as tempting fate, but wearing a provocative (or seemingly provocative in a person's eyes; what is sexy and provocative is a purely subjective thing) outfit can hardly be seen as tempting fate. now if a girl is hitting on every guy in the club and making herself appear apparently available, that might be tempting fate, but that still does not mean that it is acceptable to rape her if she says no when the time comes, or that she was asking for it.

No your argument is somewhat misleading even though it seems forceful. Undoubtedly that what's provocative is indeed subjective (though I find room to argue that there is a general consensus of what's hot and what's not), this doesn't necessarily mean that JUST because it is subjective you are unable to conclude that a woman was tempting fate.

To the potential rapist stalking her, if it is provocative to him and to the culture, then the woman is in fact putting herself at greater risk. At any rate, however, I would even go as far as arguing what a woman wears makes no difference. A rapist will rape a woman irrespective of what she's wearing.

Hell, some rapists may even go for the Nun-type attire.

I think just walking alone in the streets at night is one clear cut scenario where any person, man woman or child, is putting herself at greater risk to be the victim of any crime.

So yeah, we're all tempting fate in that sense.

 

[Tru Principle]

I do not think that just because I go out to a club dressed the way I want to dress and drink means I'm asking to be raped!! I'm out to have a good time with my friends. I have a decent body and IF I want to dress in a way that is "provacative" then so be it. Last I checked this was a free country and I could dress however I would like. A man NEEDS to learn how to respect a woman no matter what she is wearing.
Oh yeah AND I'm a flirt, thats how I am. That doesn't mean I'm asking to be raped either! I've never went any farther than flirting and EVERY guy I meet knows I have a boyfriend.

Just because YOU (trish) dont drink and dont dress "provacatively" doesnt mean that everyone who does is a slut! I'm pretty sure you know me and you know me well. am I really someone you would call a slut? or are you just juding a book by its cover??

I think you're a little naive if you believe this. It has nothing to do with it being a free country.

If you walk in a drug infested area with drugs on you, with no protection, you know you're just asking to get popped and robbed of your drugs.

Again, if you read my earlier; I do not believe you can do anything with regard to what you wear becuase each potential rapist has a taste. But I do believe it plays a role nonetheless.

 

[Beautiful Angel]

I think you're a little naive if you believe this. It has nothing to do with it being a free country.

If you walk in a drug infested area with drugs on you, with no protection, you know you're just asking to get popped and robbed of your drugs.

Again, if you read my earlier; I do not believe you can do anything with regard to what you wear becuase each potential rapist has a taste. But I do believe it plays a role nonetheless.

i am not naive about the situation...i'm just saying that i shouldnt have to wear long sleeved turtle neck shirts and loosly fitting pants JUST because there is the possiblity that i will be raped. I never walk in a dark parking lot alone! and i'm never without someone by my side when i go anywhere. i know this world is way to unsafe to think that just because it hasnt happen before that it wont happen.

i think its naive to think everyone who dresses a certain way is a slut thats asking to be raped!

 

[Tru Principle]

i am not naive about the situation...i'm just saying that i shouldnt have to wear long sleeved turtle neck shirts and loosly fitting pants JUST because there is the possiblity that i will be raped. I never walk in a dark parking lot alone! and i'm never without someone by my side when i go anywhere. i know this world is way to unsafe to think that just because it hasnt happen before that it wont happen.

i think its naive to think everyone who dresses a certain way is a slut thats asking to be raped!

I never said anything about being a slut. If you're dressing in a certain way that seemingly attracts a potential attacker, then it logically follows that you're increasing your risks of being attacked.

 

[Devious]

No your argument is somewhat misleading even though it seems forceful. Undoubtedly that what's provocative is indeed subjective (though I find room to argue that there is a general consensus of what's hot and what's not), this doesn't necessarily mean that JUST because it is subjective you are unable to conclude that a woman was tempting fate.

To the potential rapist stalking her, if it is provocative to him and to the culture, then the woman is in fact putting herself at greater risk. At any rate, however, I would even go as far as arguing what a woman wears makes no difference. A rapist will rape a woman irrespective of what she's wearing.

Hell, some rapists may even go for the Nun-type attire.

I think just walking alone in the streets at night is one clear cut scenario where any person, man woman or child, is putting herself at greater risk to be the victim of any crime.

So yeah, we're all tempting fate in that sense.

but at the same time, do you blame the woman dressing provocatively for attracting a stalker, or the stalker for stalking her? and i agree there is sort of a general consensus of what's hot and not, but some people (a lot actually) believe that wearing a tight shirt that shows a little bit, even a tiny little bit, of clevage, or wearing tight jeans that show off your ass, is dressing provocatively. that's why i mentioned that it is subjective. but you nailed it on the head. it doesn't matter what the woman is wearing and how she's acting, the rapist will rape. hell, most rapes aren't about sex anyway, it's about domination, power. forcing sex is just their way of dominating. of course that's a general statement, but in a lot of cases it's true.

 

[Eric]

If she's too young, then yes.

 

[Beautiful Angel]

I never said anything about being a slut. If you're dressing in a certain way that seemingly attracts a potential attacker, then it logically follows that you're increasing your risks of being attacked.

dress anyway and you could be raped! it doesnt really matter what you wear, as most people seem to think. there have been old ladies raped! were they dressing to "provacativly"? probably not. most rapists could give two shits less what you're wearing! or how you're acting. its all about what they want and when they want it.