Interrupted On Air; Man Speaks Truth On Iraq/London attack

[TecK NeeX]

Where did I claim that scaring civilians was the object of those attacks?

You said the motive behind Al-Qaeda's attacks were to scare civilians and destroy the western way of life. This is anything but fact, this is ludicrous and absurd.. period.

You still refuse to answer and continue to ignore my question, provide me with one piece of evidence where Osama bin laden at any moment claimed the reasons behind his attacks you mentioned was to put fear in civilians and destroy the western way of life.

I asked where was the military occupation to justfiy them. Who's the victim of brainwashing here?

Did you even read my previous post in its entirety? Do you know how many American military bases are currently occupying Arab nations? more than a dozen!. These military bases were built on Arab soil long before any attack Osama committed against any American Target!. This IS Occupation!. Its not because he so much hates the American way of life or their freedom, he simply hates the fact that Americans are occupying Arab land and killing its people.

Osama: "Neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it and not before the many American military bases leave the land of Muhammad."

Hopefully this will somehow get through to you!

The person who believes Osama Bin Laden is a warrior fighting for freedom

Yes he's fighting to rid the Middle East of hundreds of thousands of foreign mainly American troops occupying Arab land for decades now. If you wanna call that fighting for freedom i aint gonna complain

Osama and more than a billion muslims aren't happy about the fact that non-Muslims have a military presence in their Holy Land. and this is a major recruiting point for al-Qaeda and groups like it.

He has killed and continues to kill innocent civilians, in fact this is very much part of his agenda.

I never denied this. You could say he's very much like president Bush. Bush has killed and continues to kill innocent civilians to further his agenda to conquer the Middle East.

In 1996 he launched war on the U.S., it's civilians and Jews. Therefore these attacks are very much in keeping with his expressed methods.

Fuck 1996, The U.S launched war on the Arab/Muslim world the very moment they decided to to spread their Empire in the heart of the Muslim world

His confidant Ayman Al-Zawahiri is suspected of helping organize the 1997 massacre of 67 foreign tourists in the Egyptian town of Luxor and was indicted in connection with the bombing of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

The Bush Administration are suspected of fabricating accusations to justify an Iraqi invasion, now proven to be Lies, Distortions and Exaggerations which lead to over 50 thousands Iraqis massacred.. So what the fuck is your point?

I can go on too.

Bin Laden and his organization are fanatical extremists bent on destroying western influence in the Middle East and slaughtering any and all to do so.

Osama: "Neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it and not before the many American military bases leave the land of Muhammad."

 

[Zero Cool]

You said the motive behind Al-Qaeda's attacks were to scare civilians and destroy the western way of life. This is anything but fact, this is ludicrous and absurd.. period.

WRONG. I said the object of the LONDON attacks was to intimidate civilians.

Did you even read my previous post in its entirety? Do you know how many American military bases are currently occupying Arab nations? more than a dozen!. These military bases were built on Arab soil long before any attack Osama committed against any American Target!. This IS Occupation!

Occupation? By your reasoning then South Korea is occupied, as is Germany, as is Britain and every other nation around the globe which has American troops stationed on its soil. Why dosen't everyone rise up against this tyranny?

Osama: "Neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it and not before the many American military bases leave the land of Muhammad."

According to bin Laden's 1998 fatwa, it is the duty of Muslims around the world to wage holy war on the U.S., American citizens, and Jews. Muslims who do not heed this call are declared apostates .

Yes he's fighting to rid the Middle East of hundreds of thousands of foreign mainly American troops occupying Arab land for decades now. If you wanna call that fighting for freedom i aint gonna complain

The principal stated aims of al-Qaeda are to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations; destroy Israel; and topple pro-Western countries around the Middle East. Bin Laden has also said that he wishes to unite all Muslims and establish, by force if necessary, an Islamic nation adhering to the rule of the first Caliphs.

Freedom fighter? Hardly.

Fuck 1996, The U.S launched war on the Arab/Muslim world the very moment they decided to to spread their Empire in the heart of the Muslim world

Far-left conjecture.

The Bush Administration are suspected of fabricating accusations to justify an Iraqi invasion, now proven to be Lies, Distortions and Exaggerations which lead to over 50 thousands Iraqis massacred.. So what the fuck is your point?

Fabricating accusations? No. False intelligence yes but fabricated information? Do you have any credible evidence to support such assertions.

 

[TecK NeeX]

WRONG. I said the object of the LONDON attacks was to intimidate civilians.

LOL are you sure? and i quote

When Al-Qaeda bombed US embassies in Tanzania or Kenya, Or the attack on the USS Cole? Or 9/11? These attacks were designed to scare civilians and attack the western way of life

Occupation? By your reasoning then South Korea is occupied, as is Germany, as is Britain and every other nation around the globe which has American troops stationed on its soil. Why dosen't everyone rise up against this tyranny?

Yes it is an occupation, The U.S gorvernment constantly bribe and threaten to cut much needed ties with the countries that want U.S troop presence in their countries to leave. Hundreds of thousands of south koreans for example continue to protest against the U.S. military's presence in the country. The U.S military bases in the Middle East are being used as points to launch and wage war against neighbouring Arab countries, the ones in Britain and Germany are not.

To deny the fact that America's armed forces have built a worldwide empire that has led millions if not billions of people to fear, feel threatened and even hate the presence of uniformed American personnel is inane. People DO rise up but unfortunately they are not heard.

According to bin Laden's 1998 fatwa, it is the duty of Muslims around the world to wage holy war on the U.S., American citizens, and Jews. Muslims who do not heed this call are declared apostates .

Before that Osama Bin Laden stated "for over 30 years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

Stop nit picking and taking his fatwa out of context

destroy Israel;

Yes, For destroying Palestine, murdering and oppressing the palestinian people and driving them out to neighbouring countries. It's a fair reaction

and topple pro-Western countries around the Middle East.

Yes, for supporting and backing the U.S in the destruction of their fellow Arabs/Muslims. and i agree with him.

Wtf is your point with all this? I dont see anywhere him mentioning the destruction of the western way of life and to scare civilians around the world just for the hell of it. He's giving reasonable motive behind his fatwa

Far-left conjecture.

Ask the 1.4 billion muslims how they feel about American troops based in 20+ Muslim countries and tell me if you still believe it's conjecture

Fabricating accusations? No. False intelligence yes but fabricated information? Do you have any credible evidence to support such assertions.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair has finaly admitted the authenticity of the so-called "Downing Street Memos" in an interview with the Associated Press

The report added: President Bush ''wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD,'' read the memo, seen by the AP. ''But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.''

While Blair said the content of the memo was being distorted, the memo, which are seen by many as a clear cut evidence that the US administration intentionally deceived the US public about the reason for needing to go to war, had instigated a letter signed by some 89 congressmen to the Bush administration to respond to the facts the memos speak off.

The U.S intelligence agencies knew fully well that Iraq was no threat, had no WMD and was not connected to 9/11 in any way. They were left with no choice but to forge and fabricate evidence to justify war against the Iraqies and thats a fact.

 

[Zero Cool]

LOL are you sure? and i quote

That is misquote of what I posted. My original post stated "These attacks were designed to scare civilians and attack the western way of life in order to help further Al-Qaeda's set of twisted theocratic goals". Scaring civilians played a role (obviously) but not a primary one unlike these current attacks in London.

The U.S military bases in the Middle East are being used as points to launch and wage war against neighbouring Arab countries, the ones in Britain and Germany are not.

Rubbish. The bases are there for the protection of western interests in the region and as a buffer against such radical groupings as the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Precisley like the bases in South Korea are to defend against the North and the bases in Europe were to defend against the Soviets.

Also it should be interesting to note, were any Saudi U.S. bases used in the invasion of Iraq?

Before that Osama Bin Laden stated "for over 30 years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

Bin Laden is a criminal who wants the destruction of Israel, the slaughtering of innocent lives and the establishment of a theocracy throught Arabia. Defending Arab interests? Don't make me laugh. Bin Laden is advancing his criminal beliefs and attempting to force them upon a world which dosen't want them. Afghanistan should be proof enough of that.

Yes, For destroying Palestine, murdering and oppressing the palestinian people and driving them out to neighbouring countries.

The destruction of Israel and war against world Jewry is a "fair reaction" in your view? Extremist Muslims never accepted the state of Israel even when it was established under U.N. mandate giving 70 per cent of the land to the Palestinians and thus declared war of the nacsent state and lost suffering the consequences. It was extremists which ruined Palestine then and it's extremists which are ruining it now, not Jews.

Isn't it funny how a compromise is beginning to be reached when a moderate like Abbas is in power? Or would you suggest a return to the days of the Intifada?

Yes, for supporting and backing the U.S in the destruction of their fellow Arabs/Muslims. and i agree with him.

Who's really destroying their fellow Muslim here? Bin Laden or countries like Egypt?

Wtf is your point with all this? I dont see anywhere him mentioning the destruction of the western way of life and to scare civilians around the world just for the hell of it. He's giving reasonable motive behind his fatwa

My point is Bin Laden is an extremist criminal who dosen't represent true Islam. Rather he represents his own brand of twisted theology, one based on murder, hatred and tyranny.

The U.S intelligence agencies knew fully well that Iraq was no threat, had no WMD and was not connected to 9/11 in any way. They were left with no choice but to forge and fabricate evidence to justify war against the Iraqies and thats a fact.

It's a "fact" is it? Funny how everyone from the 9/11 commission to the Butler review dosen't seem to think so. Nevertheless, bring forth the evidence to support such a claim, for if it's a fact there's clearly strong evidence to support it, correct?

 

[bigmack]

regarding the invasion of iraq,well bush jr had to finish daddy's job,simple as that.motive or no motive, it was bound to be done by any means.

 

[Jokerman]

However much they resent us for particular reasons, many of the freedom haters/fighters do hate our existence, not just our policies. They are religious zealots who do not share our values. They do not want women to be free the way they are free in the West, plain and simple. This is one freedom that they HATE. Do you understand? They HATE it. And they hate us for it. They hate the freedom of the media to portray sex and violence. They hate the influence we have to bring our shit (McDonalds, rap, movies) into their cultures and grab their kids. They hate our support of Israel, but ignore that we've taken the lead role in trying to reverse the situation. We happen to believe in the legitimite existence of the state of Israel. Get over it. No one else in the Middle East does. They want Israel destroyed. It's not going to happen. 9/11 was planned because the US was trying to build Israeli-Palestinian coexistence, not because it wasn't.

Osama's terrorism is not aimed at reversing any specific US policy. It's driven by pure hatred and nihilism. No, they didn't just want to kill Americans on 9/11. They also wanted to trigger a massive US retaliation that would eventually get the whole Muslim world up in arms against us. Osama knew he could personally escape from our hunt, so he wasn't worried about that. But he also knew Bush & Co. had a one-track mind and would start invading as many countries in that area as he could. So thank and blame Osama for the Iraqi invasion. Bush was a mere puppet in Osama's hands. But, of course, the Muslim world didn't unite and rise up because, surprisingly, they're too divisive. And here we are.

 

[TecK NeeX]

That is misquote of what I posted. My original post stated "These attacks were designed to scare civilians and attack the western way of life in order to help further Al-Qaeda's set of twisted theocratic goals". Scaring civilians played a role (obviously) but not a primary one unlike these current attacks in London.

How does adding the 'to further Al-Qaeda's set of twisted theocratic goals' part change the fact that you claimed the attacks you mentioned were committed to destroy the western way of life? it doesn't and it remains untrue. Osama couldnt care less about the western way of life.

Rubbish. The bases are there for the protection of western interests in the region and as a buffer against such radical groupings as the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Precisley like the bases in South Korea are to defend against the North and the bases in Europe were to defend against the Soviets.

Funny you say that when the Taliban and Al-qaeda did not exist when the U.S built these military bases in the middle east. Did they somehow predict the formation of Al-qaeda and Taliban years before they were actually formed? The bases in Europe continue to exist years after the threat the Soviets posed to the European nations. its been over sixty years after Hitler suffered defeat yet the military bases in Germany are still present stronger than ever. tell me are the soviets and Germans still pose a threat?

Also it should be interesting to note, were any Saudi U.S. bases used in the invasion of Iraq?

The troop deployment from Kuwait was more than enough to topple a crippled Saddam regime. Is kuwait not Arab/Muslim? The Saudi bases were not needed to successfuly invade and oust Saddams regime. however, the Saudi bases were infact used to invade Afghanistan, is Afghanistan not Muslim? so the statement from my previous post about the U.S military bases in the Middle East are being used as points to launch and wage war against neighbouring Arab countries remains true and plays a major role in the grudge Osama has towards the Americans

The destruction of Israel and war against world Jewry is a "fair reaction" in your view? Extremist Muslims never accepted the state of Israel even when it was established under U.N. mandate giving 70 per cent of the land to the Palestinians and thus declared war of the nacsent state and lost suffering the consequences. It was extremists which ruined Palestine then and it's extremists which are ruining it now, not Jews.

This view is no different than the views of those zionists in Israel who openly and publicly voiced their aim at destroying and push every palestinian to neighbouring countries who they reffered them to as animals.

Since the Israeli-Arab wars you mentioned, Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of palestinian territory. In its current form Zionism seeks to dominate the palestinians by means of violence and the use of weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States. and this is where Osama's calling of the destruction of israel is derived, from zionists who want the same happened to the palestinians.

Isn't it funny how a compromise is beginning to be reached when a moderate like Abbas is in power? Or would you suggest a return to the days of the Intifada?

You seem to think because a moderate like Abbas is now in power the agression and oppression of palestinians have ceased to exist when in fact Israeli crimes remain very much alive, Palestinian homes continue to be dimolished by israeli bulldozers, while settlements evacuate from Gaza more are being built in the west bank, occupation of palestinian villages and towns continue to exist by the IDF and their destructive machines. you're a fool if you think Abbas is capable of ending Israeli atrocities.

It's a "fact" is it? Funny how everyone from the 9/11 commission to the Butler review dosen't seem to think so. Nevertheless, bring forth the evidence to support such a claim, for if it's a fact there's clearly strong evidence to support it, correct?

The admittance that President Bush ''wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD,'' ''But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'' made by Tony Blair the closest known ally to Bush irrefutable evidence that Bush did infact fabricate evidence to invade Iraq

 

[Jokerman]

irrefutable evidence that Bush did infact fabricate evidence to invade Iraq

Osama probably leaked this "evidence" for Bush to find.

 

[TecK NeeX]

However much they resent us for particular reasons, many of the freedom haters/fighters do hate our existence, not just our policies. They are religious zealots who do not share our values. They do not want women to be free the way they are free in the West, plain and simple. This is one freedom that they HATE. Do you understand? They HATE it. And they hate us for it. They hate the freedom of the media to portray sex and violence. They hate the influence we have to bring our shit (McDonalds, rap, movies) into their cultures and grab their kids. They hate our support of Israel, but ignore that we've taken the lead role in trying to reverse the situation. We happen to believe in the legitimite existence of the state of Israel. Get over it. No one else in the Middle East does. They want Israel destroyed. It's not going to happen. 9/11 was planned because the US was trying to build Israeli-Palestinian coexistence, not because it wasn't.

Osama's terrorism is not aimed at reversing any specific US policy. It's driven by pure hatred and nihilism. No, they didn't just want to kill Americans on 9/11. They also wanted to trigger a massive US retaliation that would eventually get the whole Muslim world up in arms against us. Osama knew he could personally escape from our hunt, so he wasn't worried about that. But he also knew Bush & Co. had a one-track mind and would start invading as many countries in that area as he could. So thank and blame Osama for the Iraqi invasion. Bush was a mere puppet in Osama's hands. But, of course, the Muslim world didn't unite and rise up because, surprisingly, they're too divisive. And here we are.

This is simply not true, If this was the case then we'd see many other western countries with the same values as the U.S and Britain targeted and attacked as well. It ain't coincidence that only those western nations that partaked in attacks against Arabs/Muslims attacked

why attack Spain and not Holland? Spain attacked iraq Holland did not

why attack Britain and not France? Britain attacked Iraq france did not

Why attack the U.S and not Canada? U.S went into Iraq Canada did not

 

[Zero Cool]

How does adding the 'to further Al-Qaeda's set of twisted theocratic goals' part change the fact that you claimed the attacks you mentioned were committed to destroy the western way of life? it doesn't and it remains untrue. Osama couldnt care less about the western way of life.

Jokerman explains it perfectly. Read, evaluate and understand;

However much they resent us for particular reasons, many of the freedom haters/fighters do hate our existence, not just our policies. They are religious zealots who do not share our values. They do not want women to be free the way they are free in the West, plain and simple. This is one freedom that they HATE. Do you understand? They HATE it. And they hate us for it. They hate the freedom of the media to portray sex and violence. They hate the influence we have to bring our shit (McDonalds, rap, movies) into their cultures and grab their kids. They hate our support of Israel, but ignore that we've taken the lead role in trying to reverse the situation. We happen to believe in the legitimite existence of the state of Israel. Get over it. No one else in the Middle East does. They want Israel destroyed. It's not going to happen. 9/11 was planned because the US was trying to build Israeli-Palestinian coexistence, not because it wasn't.

Osama's terrorism is not aimed at reversing any specific US policy. It's driven by pure hatred and nihilism. No, they didn't just want to kill Americans on 9/11. They also wanted to trigger a massive US retaliation that would eventually get the whole Muslim world up in arms against us. Osama knew he could personally escape from our hunt, so he wasn't worried about that. But he also knew Bush & Co. had a one-track mind and would start invading as many countries in that area as he could. So thank and blame Osama for the Iraqi invasion. Bush was a mere puppet in Osama's hands. But, of course, the Muslim world didn't unite and rise up because, surprisingly, they're too divisive. And here we are.

Funny you say that when the Taliban and Al-qaeda did not exist when the U.S built these military bases in the middle east. Did they somehow predict the formation of Al-qaeda and Taliban years before they were actually formed? The bases in Europe continue to exist years after the threat the Soviets posed to the European nations. its been over sixty years after Hitler suffered defeat yet the military bases in Germany are still present stronger than ever. tell me are the soviets and Germans still pose a threat?

The bases were originally manned to counter the threat of Saddam, they then, along with their aforementioned responsibility, took on a new role of defending western interests against these radical groupings.

The bases in Germany are being scaled down although as a NATO ally they will be kept on as will bases in the UK and other areas.

The troop deployment from Kuwait was more than enough to topple a crippled Saddam regime. Is kuwait not Arab/Muslim? The Saudi bases were not needed to successfuly invade and oust Saddams regime. however, the Saudi bases were infact used to invade Afghanistan, is Afghanistan not Muslim? so the statement from my previous post about the U.S military bases in the Middle East are being used as points to launch and wage war against neighbouring Arab countries remains true and plays a major role in the grudge Osama has towards the Americans

As aforementioned the United States manned these bases in order to HELP Saudi Arabia against outside threats. This was something Bin Laden could not stand. It should also be noted that the bases in contention were vacated in 2003.

In its current form Zionism seeks to dominate the palestinians by means of violence and the use of weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States. and this is where Osama's calling of the destruction of israel is derived, from zionists who want the same happened to the palestinians.

It is a very small minority of the Israeli population who want "Palestine destroyed". The vast majority wish to reach a compromise but are prevented from doing so because of Palestinian intransegince and continued terrorist atrocities. The United States happens to believe in the legitimite existence of the state of Israel. Fantaics like Bin Laden want want Israel destroyed. It's not going to happen. The U.S. along with Abbas and Sharon are trying to build credible Israeli-Palestinian coexistence, not destroy it.

You seem to think because a moderate like Abbas is now in power the agression and oppression of palestinians have ceased to exist when in fact Israeli crimes remain very much alive, Palestinian homes continue to be dimolished by israeli bulldozers, while settlements evacuate from Gaza more are being built in the west bank, occupation of palestinian villages and towns continue to exist by the IDF and their destructive machines. you're a fool if you think Abbas is capable of ending Israeli atrocities.

Tit-for-tat. Israeli's continued to be daily attacked by rocket propelled grenades, bombs and the like. If there was no Palestinian terrorism would there be Israeli reprisels? It's an unfortunate situation which has radically degenerated since 1948. However with the work of Abbas and Sharon a suitable compromise may be reached enabling the two sides to peacefully co-exist. This is the worst case scenario for fanatics like Bin Laden.

The admittance that President Bush ''wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD,'' ''But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'' made by Tony Blair the closest known ally to Bush irrefutable evidence that Bush did infact fabricate evidence to invade Iraq

This is from a leaked document known as the Downing Street memo. And those words were not spoken by Tony Blair as you well know Teck but an intelligence officer who was giving his opinion as to the ongoing situation. If you don't have the evidence, be honest enough to admit it, don't fabricate.

 

[xenogears]

This is simply not true, If this was the case then we'd see many other western countries with the same values as the U.S and Britain targeted and attacked as well. It ain't coincidence that only those western nations that partaked in attacks against Arabs/Muslims attacked

why attack Spain and not Holland? Spain attacked iraq Holland did not

why attack Britain and not France? Britain attacked Iraq france did not

Why attack the U.S and not Canada? U.S went into Iraq Canada did not

^very true

when was it even confirmed though that the london attackers were actually muslims, wtf. What happened to investigating and looking for clues! took them about 3 minutes to figure out that the attack was carried by muslim extremists.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Jokerman explains it perfectly. Read, evaluate and understand;

And because jokerman said it that automaticaly makes it true?

fact remains osama bin laden never claimed he attacked the u.s because he hated their way of life

this is no different than me saying Bush attacked the Arabs because he hates Arabs and hated their way of life even though Bush never made such a claim

The bases were originally manned to counter the threat of Saddam, they then, along with their aforementioned responsibility, took on a new role of defending western interests against these radical groupings.

Western interests like what? oil? could you be more specific on these interests?

The bases in Germany are being scaled down although as a NATO ally they will be kept on as will bases in the UK and other areas.

By this reasoning Every Ally to the U.S in NATO has the right to build their own military bases in the U.S

As aforementioned the United States manned these bases in order to HELP Saudi Arabia against outside threats. This was something Bin Laden could not stand. It should also be noted that the bases in contention were vacated in 2003.

I've posted this in another thread regarding threats to neighbouring Arab countries by saddam

In an interview on February 2001 with Powell on how to deal with Iraq, Powell said the U.N., the U.S. and its allies "have succeeded in containing Saddam Hussein and his ambitions."

Powell also went on to say that Saddam's "forces are about one-third their original size. They don't really possess the capability to attack their neighbors the way they did ten years ago," and "Containment has been a successful policy".

In a seperate interview, Powell said the U.S. successfully "contained" Iraq in the years since the first Gulf War and that because of economic sanctions placed on the country Iraq was unable to obtain WMD."We have been able to keep weapons from going into Iraq,". "We have been able to keep the sanctions in place to the extent that items that might support weapons of mass destruction development have had some controls on them... it's been quite a success for ten years..."

If there was no Palestinian terrorism would there be Israeli reprisels? It's an unfortunate situation which has radically degenerated since 1948. However with the work of Abbas and Sharon a suitable compromise may be reached enabling the two sides to peacefully co-exist. This is the worst case scenario for fanatics like Bin Laden.

If there was no land grabbing, settlement building and Israeli terrorism would there be palestinian reprisels? like you said its Tit-for-Tat. but putting blame alone on osama and the palestinains is unjust and prejudiced. and yes i do hope the two sides can one day peacefully co-exist.

This is from a leaked document known as the Downing Street memo. And those words were not spoken by Tony Blair as you well know Teck but an intelligence officer who was giving his opinion as to the ongoing situation. If you don't have the evidence, be honest enough to admit it, don't fabricate.

A key piece of evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program appears to have been fabricated, the United Nations' chief nuclear inspector said yesterday in a report that called into question U.S. and British claims about Iraq's secret nuclear ambitions.
Documents that purportedly showed Iraqi officials shopping for uranium in Africa two years ago were deemed "not authentic" after careful scrutiny by U.N. and independent experts, Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), told the U.N. Security Council.

ElBaradei also rejected a key Bush administration claim -- made twice by the president in major speeches and repeated by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell yesterday -- that Iraq had tried to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes to use in centrifuges for uranium enrichment. Also, ElBaradei reported finding no evidence of banned weapons or nuclear material in an extensive sweep of Iraq using advanced radiation detectors.

"There is no indication of resumed nuclear activities," ElBaradei said.

Knowledgeable sources familiar with the forgery investigation described the faked evidence as a series of letters between Iraqi agents and officials in the central African nation of Niger. The documents had been given to the U.N. inspectors by Britain and reviewed extensively by U.S. intelligence. The forgers had made relatively crude errors that eventually gave them away -- including names and titles that did not match up with the individuals who held office at the time the letters were purportedly written, the officials said.

The Taliban themselves could have come up with better evidence to justify war against Iraq then the C.I.A did

 

[Jokerman]

Why attack the U.S and not Canada? U.S went into Iraq Canada did not

Wait. The US went into Iraq? Wasn't 9/11 before the US went into Iraq? Or are you referring to the first Gulf War? In that case Canada, France, and all those other countries they haven't attacked went into Iraq too. So that couldn't be the sole reason for the attacks. And of course since al Qaeda was unsuccessful in gettig all Muslims to rise up to fight Israel and the US, they now are trying to make their attacks practical. Duh. Iraq has become an issue. It's not as if they have all these resources left to stage their attacks. They haven't been able to attack us since. It took this long to attack Britain.

 

[Jokerman]

And because jokerman said it that automaticaly makes it true?

Did you miss the part where he said .."explained it perfectly?" Of course, me saying it automatically makes it true, but that's beside the point.

 

[Flipmo]

The big man has to sleep sometimes, and that's when the smaller man attacks. It's not about not being able to, it's knowing when to strike. Sooner or later, guards will be let down and something will happen. Like 9/11, the US left their guard down and what happens, the little poor 'unpowerful' country did a massive amount of damage.

In other words, would you try and kill the man with the gun while he's awake looking at you while you're holding a knife, OR, would you wait till he gets tired, comfortable and takes a nap and let's his guard down?

I'm out, Peace guys.

Oh by the way, much respect for keeping this thread racial and abusive language free. Maybe, point can be exchanged finally.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Did you miss the part where he said .."explained it perfectly?" Of course, me saying it automatically makes it true, but that's beside the point.

LOl you need to get your head out of your ass

Osama did not oppose the first gulf war, he hated the fact that saddam invaded kuwait. he pretty much welcomed the coalition to push back saddams forces. After the successful defeat of saddams army in Kuwait France and Canada quickly packed their bags and headed back to their countries, The U.S however remained there and built more military bases surrounding him. established the no fly zones and continued to bomb Iraqies on a daily bases which lead to the murder of thousands of innocent Iraqies by the american forces which also lead the attack on 9/11 in the U.S and not canada or france

 

[Zero Cool]

And because jokerman said it that automaticaly makes it true?

fact remains osama bin laden never claimed he attacked the u.s because he hated their way of life

Since you seem intent on ingoring Jokerman's post let's go back to the start. This all originated in the fact that I claimed that al-Qaeda attacked London in order to intimidate civilians. Based on the statement given by the group, their record of behaviour and the way in which London was attacked, I stand by this claim.

Western interests like what? oil? could you be more specific on these interests?

Western interests in the region are varied from commercial, such as oil and business, to cultural, such as Jerusalem.

By this reasoning Every Ally to the U.S in NATO has the right to build their own military bases in the U.S

Is every NATO ally a superpower? Is every NATO ally in the frontline against all threats posed against it?

I've posted this in another thread regarding threats to neighbouring Arab countries by saddam

In an interview on February 2001 with Powell on how to deal with Iraq, Powell said the U.N., the U.S. and its allies "have succeeded in containing Saddam Hussein and his ambitions."

Powell also went on to say that Saddam's "forces are about one-third their original size. They don't really possess the capability to attack their neighbors the way they did ten years ago," and "Containment has been a successful policy".

In a seperate interview, Powell said the U.S. successfully "contained" Iraq in the years since the first Gulf War and that because of economic sanctions placed on the country Iraq was unable to obtain WMD."We have been able to keep weapons from going into Iraq,". "We have been able to keep the sanctions in place to the extent that items that might support weapons of mass destruction development have had some controls on them... it's been quite a success for ten years..."

He still posed a huge threat whatever his army's peacetime size. And, this all ignores the changed climate after 9/11. Before, Saddam's behaviour could be just about tolerated after this was no longer an option.

The Taliban themselves could have come up with better evidence to justify war against Iraq then the C.I.A did

This is what you give me? It in no way, shows that the United States and Britain knowingly falsafied information and went to war on such a basis. You'll have to come with better than that.

 

[ill-matic]

Wasn't it the US that funded and financed the formulation of radical groups such as Al-Qaeda to defend from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

Why, in 30 years, has this relationship changed? Back then they were counterparts, and helped each other. But now it's obvious that the US is the target of Al-Qaeda. The reason for this is simple, and it is exactly what Teck Neex is saying:

* The US has a countless number of military bases sparsely covering the Middle East. Bin Laden considers this an occupation, and in a sense, it is just that.

 

[XIAN]

LOL this is clear proof of your idiocy, Show me one shred of evidence where Osama bin laden or any Al-Qaeda operative for that matter where they claimed their objective behind those attacks you mentioned was to instill fear upon civilians. This is a fabricated motive to justify invading Arab nations. Osama Bin Laden has repeatedly voiced his motive behind such attacks on numerous occasions and absolutely none mentioned any hate for freedom or to scare civilians.

many Americans wondered why 9/11 happened. The Bush administration was quick to feed the public the idea Osama bin Laden had attacked because of his hatred of American freedoms and his goal to scare Americans. It seems clear that you are among the many victims of this form of brainwashing. This accusation does not stand up to facts that have been ignored or forgotten by the mainstream media.

You and many other Americans continue to ignore Osama's reasons for attacking America.



In the Oct. 7, 2001 tape: Osama stated how Americans could stop terrorism against the United States: "Neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it here in Palestine and not before the dozens of American military bases leave the land of Muhammad." These American military bases occupied and continue to occupy more than half of all Arab nations long before any attack on Americans.

American withdrawl of all its military bases occupying Arab land would for a fact put an end to terrorism. This theory can be tested by looking back at how Osama responded to the withdrawal of Russian troops from Afghanistan after their war. Osama hated the Russians. He carried out some of the most heinous attacks against them, but when the Russians withdrew, Osama stopped all attacks against them. It wasn't that Osama so much hated Russians or Russian ideals, he simply hated the fact the Russians were occupying their land and killing them. The same is true with America if they destroy all their military bases from many arab nations occupying them for decades.

"scare civilians"

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[United Slaves]

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