Greatest persuasive writer/speaker of all time?

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

This really ruins your credibility man.

Not only the Bible, which is also regarded as a historical text of the time, but there have been accounts in Roman documents found.

the Bible? Don't make me laugh, the rich wrote the Bible, re-wrote the Bible, revised it a couple more times all the while picking & choosing who's stories to take into account.

Roman documents? They crucified a lot of people, a lot of fisherman, a lot of carpenters, a lot of people named yeshua.......

 

[Hankaveli]

All of you are wrong. Morris was close.

The greatest persuasive speaker of all time was Jesus Christ.

Oh Black Jesus :thumb:

well maybe you have a point actully

 

[Hankaveli]

Not only the Bible, which is also regarded as a historical text of the time, but there have been accounts in Roman documents found.

There where reports of WMD's in Iraq :thumb:

"Where are the Weapons of Mass Distruction is what I wanna know"

"They should call him Osama Bin Hidin...ya'll wanna see me smash some fruit?"

 

[AmerikazMost]

the Bible? Don't make me laugh, the rich wrote the Bible, re-wrote the Bible, revised it a couple more times all the while picking & choosing who's stories to take into account.

I'm not talking necessarily about the people Jesus healed, I'm talking about the history in the text, like the kings of the times or Pontius Pilot.

Roman documents? They crucified a lot of people, a lot of fisherman, a lot of carpenters, a lot of people named yeshua.......

I don't know any exact wording from any of them, so I'm not going to argue about what was said in them.


Calc, you need to chill on this. I'm not trying to convert you to Christianity, just make a point about Christ's ability to do so.

 

[marc]

i have to disagree with hitler. i think goebbels was "better" or rather more persuasive. he was the prototype for modern propaganda and demagogues (sp?)

MLK jr surely up there too. "i have a dream..." is easily one of the most famous phrases nowadays.



btw: the "total war = fastest war" was a speech by goebbels after stalingrad. NOT by hitler

 

[Glockmatic]

Hitler only waved the flames of nationalism that was already strong in Germany at the time, doesn't take a persuasive writer to do that. Castro was a great one imo.

Saying the Bible is a historical text is like calling it a cook book as well since it has recipes in it. Its a religious text, lets leave it at that

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Calc, you need to chill on this. I'm not trying to convert you to Christianity, just make a point about Christ's ability to do so.

No - you are taking the Bible as accepted fact when it is clearly not.

 

[AmerikazMost]

No - you are taking the Bible as accepted fact when it is clearly not.

When I say historical document, I'm talking about the details around Jesus life, not necessarily his life itself.

For instance, the kings of time, not making a blind man see again.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I don't care about his 'life' or the 'details'! If I cared, it would be like me caring about the tooth fairy's life & how it feels stuck doing a job which probably does not fulfil it.

I am a fan of fiction, but let's keep it believable people.

 

[AmerikazMost]

I don't care about his 'life' or the 'details'! If I cared, it would be like me caring about the tooth fairy's life & how it feels stuck doing a job which probably does not fulfil it.

I am a fan of fiction, but let's keep it believable people.

Calc, it's a fact that Jesus preached throughout the Middle East. It's a fact that it brought attention to the Roman Empire. It's a fact that Pontius Pilot, a figure in the Empire, held His 'trial.' And it's a fact that He was crucified.

The only thing that's debatable is whether or not He is in fact the Son of God.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Calc, it's a fact that Jesus preached throughout the Middle East. It's a fact that it brought attention to the Roman Empire. It's a fact that Pontius Pilot, a figure in the Empire, held His 'trial.' And it's a fact that He was crucified.

The only thing that's debatable is whether or not He is in fact the Son of God.

The first paragraph contradicts the second though.

Now Jesus - the man you speak of - can only be defined as the Son of God.

Otherwise, we have no need to argue. I fully believe at least one man named Yeshua got attention at some point from the Romans &, like I said, a lot of men were crucified back then.

 

[Jokerman]

I think the Tooth Fairy was the most persuasive speaker of all time.

 

[Jokerman]

it's a fact that Jesus preached throughout the Middle East.

And after that he joined a travelling circus as a juggler. Not many ppl know that.

 

[AmerikazMost]

The first paragraph contradicts the second though.

Now Jesus - the man you speak of - can only be defined as the Son of God.

Otherwise, we have no need to argue. I fully believe at least one man named Yeshua got attention at some point from the Romans &, like I said, a lot of men were crucified back then.

So by you're definition of this debate, in order for someone to be the greatest persuasive speaker of all time, what he says must be the truth? Thus, when Rukas says Hitler was the greatest of all time, he believes in everything he said?

Rukas is a Nazi!

He doesn't have to be the Son of God to make people believe He is.

 

[TecK NeeX]

And after that he joined a travelling circus as a juggler. Not many ppl know that.

I did not know this astonishing discovery, was he any good?

Amerikas, what you dont know about calcuo is that he is the type of person like many others who reject the existence of Jesus (pbuh) solely because of the fact that he preached faith and belief in God, it is part of their own belief to have this stance on any man that preached belief in God, if Jesus (pbuh) did not whatsoever teach what he taught do you think calcuo would still reject his existence? NO

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

So by you're definition of this debate, in order for someone to be the greatest persuasive speaker of all time, what he says must be the truth? Thus, when Rukas says Hitler was the greatest of all time, he believes in everything he said?

Rukas is a Nazi!

He doesn't have to be the Son of God to make people believe He is.

Let's get something straight, there was never a child in that period of time named Jesus Christ. The name itself comes from translations from other languages & as such, Jesus Christ (as a character - fictional or not) can only be known as the Son of God. There were no other people at the time who we now know as Jesus Christ.

Now, if you were to say that you believe the man you speak of was called Yeshua (we'll forego the Ben Yosef because Christ is derived from Greek & cannot even be traced back to Aramaic), then it would become a possibility that such a character existed without having an unalienable tie to being defined as the Son of God.

So your little Rukas analogy is wrong.

Amerikas, what you dont know about calcuo is that he is the type of person like many others who reject the existence of Jesus (pbuh) solely because of the fact that he preached faith and belief in God, it is part of their own belief to have this stance on any man that preached belief in God, if Jesus (pbuh) did not whatsoever teach what he taught do you think calcuo would still reject his existence? NO

Wild assumptions lead to wild posts......don't worry, I forgive you.

 

[M.C.Chillz]

Matthew, Mark, Luke & John are the most persuasive writers.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Matthew, Mark, Luke & John are the most persuasive writers.

Just to make a point:

If your post was correct TecK NeeX, then I should have a problem with M.C. Chillz comment - but I don't. You were wrong :thumb:

 

[Hennessy]

Hitler and Ghandi would be my choices.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Just to make a point:

If your post was correct TecK NeeX, then I should have a problem with M.C. Chillz comment - but I don't. You were wrong :thumb:

So you dont believe Jesus existed but you do believe the individuals who authored a book containing his words did? would Jesus still be non-existent in your world if he taught philosophy? im pretty sure he would, would you believe Aristotle existed if he taught the same thing as Jesus did? this leaves me to one question, why dont you believe Jesus existed? was it because he is believed to be the 'son of God' or God in the Flesh?