Duke, can we talk about the RS6?

Gandoo

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i've been looking all over the net for info. on the car, but autoblog only gives a little info at a time...

from what i've heard, it'll have the gallardo v10 in it, pushing about 600+ horses and something like 714 torque.... but then i also heard it was 4,100 pounds light..... so.... eh, you know anything else?? because this and the A5 are really the only things im liking about audi... the s8 is aight too, i guess....
 
so it does have the gallardo engine in it?? same, more tuned, or stripped down? it's a little hard to tell with those numbers...
 
in the S6 its the same but stroked out stroked out to 5.2 from 5.0 for more low end torque as opposed to the less torquier gallardo engine. so it makes peak torque at 3000rpms and redlines a little lower at 7500rpms. the RS6 is going to be a twin turbo 5.2 liter V10.
 
Not for sale at this moment, it's under development.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Audi's bigger overpowered sedans. They're definitely pioneers when it comes to adding AWD and turbos to smaller cars, but when it comes to making big cars fast, I'd rather give my money to BMW or Mercedes, unless I really wanted AWD that bad. But I bet it'll be a nice car though.
 
^Yes, I'd take an M5. Even the CLS 63.

But I mean a twin turbo 10 cylinder car is gonna be fast. If the BMW or Merc are even competitors then Audi fails.
 
While I love speed, I'm pretty much over the horsepower wars. I'd like to see a company make an engine that's just as good as its existing competitor's engines while returning much better gas mileage rather than seeing a new engine that completely leapfrogs the current standard that is already ridiculously high... BMW's twin-turbo I-6 in the 335i is a perfect example of it. Power-wise, it's a bit underrated while still being at least on-par with its competitors (actually a little bit quicker, but that's beside the point) while getting awesome gas mileage for what it is (20 city/29 highway).

Horsepower is cool, but it's getting ridiculous... think back to less than ten years ago.

E55 had 349 hp V-8
M5 had 400 hp V-8
RS6 had 450 hp twin-turbo V-8
E55 had 469 hp supercharged V-8
M5 has 507 hp V-10
CLS63/E63 has 514 hp V-8
etc.

I'd be more impressed if the next RS6 had "just" 500 hp but had an EPA rating of 20 city/25 highway
 
well, before i heard of the rs6 i was the m5, the cl 63 fan... but for some reason i couldnt see an A6 being tuned to do what the rs6 is caliming to be doing.... it was kinda weird...

and while i think luxury sedans like the 7 series, the s-class, and the ls430 are nice, i dont see how s65 amg sells and how the s8, if it comes out, will sell.. it seems kinda impractical... almost a bit silly.. but the s65 is just a beast
 
I was just reading an interview with Lambo's CEO and he was saying hp gains isn't the direction super cars, and normal cars for that matter, are going. Instead they are trying to increase the power to weight ratio, which I think is a very good idea.

Speed is what people want, if I was going to buy one of those cars with HP hovering around 500 gas mileage would be very low on the list of things I was looking for.
 
While I love speed, I'm pretty much over the horsepower wars. I'd like to see a company make an engine that's just as good as its existing competitor's engines while returning much better gas mileage rather than seeing a new engine that completely leapfrogs the current standard that is already ridiculously high... BMW's twin-turbo I-6 in the 335i is a perfect example of it. Power-wise, it's a bit underrated while still being at least on-par with its competitors (actually a little bit quicker, but that's beside the point) while getting awesome gas mileage for what it is (20 city/29 highway).

Horsepower is cool, but it's getting ridiculous... think back to less than ten years ago.

E55 had 349 hp V-8
M5 had 400 hp V-8
RS6 had 450 hp twin-turbo V-8
E55 had 469 hp supercharged V-8
M5 has 507 hp V-10
CLS63/E63 has 514 hp V-8
etc.

I'd be more impressed if the next RS6 had "just" 500 hp but had an EPA rating of 20 city/25 highway

agreed. they should work on the gas mileage. but reality is most of the people who buy these cars can give less of a shit of the gas mileage. they got enough money to pay the gas on their V10 gallardo or their aston martin. the ones who do will end up buying the lexus ls460h. those who dont wont.
 
and while i think luxury sedans like the 7 series, the s-class, and the ls430 are nice, i dont see how s65 amg sells and how the s8, if it comes out, will sell.. it seems kinda impractical... almost a bit silly.. but the s65 is just a beast
The S65 AMG exists because there are people who are just that rich who would buy it just because they can. Rich people buy the absolute top-of-the-line flagship because that's how they roll, not necessarily because they wouldn't be happy with the standard S600, but because there's something from the same manufacturer that exists that is a few notches above.

What's crazy is that the engine is based on much older Mercedes engine architecture (3-valve heads), yet it's still so good that they don't really feel the need to update it since it makes so much power.
Speed is what people want, if I was going to buy one of those cars with HP hovering around 500 gas mileage would be very low on the list of things I was looking for.
People do want speed, but here's the thing. 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds was fast ten years ago, and today, that's still fast, even though there are cars that can beat that by over a second. Might as well try to increase fuel efficiency, especially in this day and age when there are documentaries like An Inconvenient Truth playing.
agreed. they should work on the gas mileage. but reality is most of the people who buy these cars can give less of a shit of the gas mileage. they got enough money to pay the gas on their V10 gallardo or their aston martin. the ones who do will end up buying the lexus ls460h. those who dont wont.
While they have enough money to not worry about gas prices, a lot of the celebrities who have the cash flow for such cars like to make a statement. Do you think Cameron Diaz and Jessica Alba have a Prius in their driveway because gas prices are hurting them? They're doing it to make a statement, and I think insanely fast cars that get decent gas mileage would be another way for celebrities to make it look like they care, whether they do or don't.
 
you bring up celebrities, deez.... obama traded in his 300c for a hybrid escape... does he give a shit ab out the environment or is he trying to get more votes? same thing with the celebs... to make a statement, sure, but a statement just really isnt true in the first place and just improves their rep.... i wanna see a CEO of a huge company come in a prius....or escape or whatever... it doesnt happen.. and for the reason you said... cuz they got the money for it and they just can
 
^ Right, but I'm saying that makers of high-performance cars should focus on making them more efficient rather than having x amount of hp over both its predecessor and its competition. Here's the thing... celebrities and the wealthy can buy nice, expensive cars (most of which get terrible gas mileage) because they have the money for it. Do you think celebrities who drive hybrids buy them because they like the looks? Or the (lack of) comfort? They buy them to make statements, although you know that there are probably four or five gas-guzzling SUVs and sports cars also in their driveway. What I'm saying is that it would be the best of both worlds for the privileged if a car maker would stand up and make a high-performance car that gets good gas mileage so that way they can have an expensive car and a more environment-friendly car in one rather than driving a relatively shitty Prius just to prove that they like the environment. The privileged buying a hypothetical high-performance car that has 450 hp and averages 30 mpg INSTEAD of a 600 hp high-performance car that is 0.5 seconds faster to 60 mph but averages 14 mpg speaks volumes, because there's a greater likelihood that this said car would be their main car. Do you think Jessica Alba drives her Prius everywhere? To Hollywood parties? Doubtful. She probably has a C55 AMG that gets 16 mpg for that. Such a car as what I'm describing would serve the masses of the rich and famous, and they could TRULY be making a statement by still enjoying driving while doing less harm to the environment all in one car rather than opting to buy the car that is a little quicker to 60 mph but drinks gas nearly twice as fast. Then the other automakers would realize that and stop the "my dick is bigger than yours" hp war and start making cars just as fast but less thirsty at the gas pump.

If I had a choice between the next Evo having the rumored 320 hp and the same mpg or having the same 286 hp rating as mine but getting 30 mpg on the highway... I'd take the better gas mileage.
 
I'd like to see a manufacturer make a seriously fast car that runs on an alternative fuel. :) Bio-ethanol, or alcohol, or chip fat, whatever.

And in regards to the hp-wars, yes, it does get tedious. I'm quite over the bigger, faster, more thing. The biggest gripe I have against the constant stream of new and bigger engines is weight. Cars are already getting heavier by the day with all the luxury and safety gadgets in there, last thing we need is another 100 kg's extra by using V8s instead of I6's (random example).

It's like these days car manufacturers only look at the spec sheet and that's it. It always has to have more than the other guys, while because everyone thinks like that, no one is actually going to be the fastest by a good bit. I mean, new M3 went from inline to V8, new Skyline's/Supra's are going to have upscaled engines, all AMG's are switching to the 63, ditching the 55. The only really suited cars I can think of for continually bigger engines are, indeed, the big luxury saloon puddings, because those things weigh as much as Siciliy already. An S-class won't have it's handling characteristics upset because of 80 more kilo's in the engine bay, since it handled like a fat kid on rollerskates in the first place. Same goes for Audi 8's, BMW 7's, etc etc. Even with the new S8, it's a sort of weird mix and in the end up you're stuck with a car that misses it's point. I mean, the basic 8 is a big luxury saloon. Add a huge engine and it becomes a sports saloon or whatever the marketing trolls tell you. Well, go the performance nutters, it needs to handle too! So Audi complies, sets the car up so that, for a two tonnes barge, it handles reasonably well for a car it's size and weight. But then you're left with a huge luxury saloon with an even bigger engine and massive straight line speed and a ride that's awful.

It's like building a Lotus Elise that's exquisitely comfortable on 40mph B-roads. It defeats the purpose of the car. I mean, honestly, who here really wants to take a car like an S8 or a S65 to play on a madly twisty road? I don't. Those things are made to woft you along the Autobahn on a saturday night 3 am at a measly 280 km/h. They're not made to be thrown around on a small road.

So that's my biggest gripe. Pointless cars and pointless versions of otherwise excellent cars.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of more power. It's just that I dislike the idea of the focus laying purely on more power. I want more general package instead of an engine spec list worth 20 minutes guaranteed bragging rights in the pub. And shed weight. Weight kills. And anyway, in the end, no one is buying car B because it happens to have 535 bhp instead of car A's 510 bhp. When you are really a contender for buying seriously fast cars, other factors will determine. Looks, road behaviour, ride quality, interior, etc etc. The 30 more mustangs than the competition isn't going to save you if the car is crap anyway.
 

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