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Saint, bro.

Keep away from that shit, if anything any drug. If you can't stop smoking weed though, might as well stick to that. Don't worry, you won't turn into a slob. If you're dirty it's cause you're a lazy fuck to start with. lol


edit: The Militant, bro you get rep'd cause you actually know what you're talking about. Props to you. :thumb:
 
FlipMo said:
Saint, bro.

Keep away from that shit, if anything any drug. If you can't stop smoking weed though, might as well stick to that. Don't worry, you won't turn into a slob. If you're dirty it's cause you're a lazy fuck to start with. lol

LMAO
AY AY captain!! :D

PS- i am a lazy fuck, but im not dirty! lol :D
 
FlipMo said:
Saint, bro.

The Militant, bro you get rep'd cause you actually know what you're talking about. Props to you. :thumb:

Err he's the only one with no experience :confused: I think i know what im talking about, i've been around drugs since the eighties.
 
"Cocain is a hell of a drug" Rick James




Bitch!



I have only done it once, did not do much for me and never had the desire to try it again!

Wack ass drug in my book! THC all the way!
 
stefanwzyga said:
Err he's the only one with no experience :confused: I think i know what im talking about, i've been around drugs since the eighties.

Just because he hasn't done it, doesn't mean he hasn't been around it and know what it can do.
 
FlipMo said:
No shit, I'm saying it's bad. Do you wish to look like the walking dead and spend any money you get on coke and rob family members you love, just to get some dough for coke? I think not.

You're confusing coke with crack and heroin. I dont know any coke user that looks like the "walking dead"; look at the most famous case, Maradona. He got fat, not skinny.

Weed is much more addictive because your body becomes dependent on it as it stays in your system for so long, and you go through so much of it. I know people that sell their mom's shit for weed, because while on THC, they cant function in society and cant hold down jobs for an income.

"Wheres the TV?"
"God damn it I smoked the TV!"

Rukas said:
Coke gets a bad rap because uneducated people just associate it with crack


It just goes to show you dont know what the fuck you're talking about.
 
Rukas said:
You're confusing coke with crack and heroin. I dont know any coke user that looks like the "walking dead"; look at the most famous case, Maradona. He got fat, not skinny.

Weed is much more addictive because your body becomes dependent on it as it stays in your system for so long, and you go through so much of it. I know people that sell their mom's shit for weed, because while on THC, they cant function in society and cant hold down jobs for an income.

"Wheres the TV?"
"God damn it I smoked the TV!"




It just goes to show you dont know what the fuck you're talking about.

man..weed is more addictive?..lol..very funny..sure u become mentally dependant when u toke alot..(like me ;p)..but it is in no way physically addictive unlike coke which has big withdraws..and tends to make users "wanna do it again"..and it's cokeheads and crackheads that go out and sell/rob pretty much anything for coke/crack..while stoners usually would only do that if they had no money and were chronic..(sure I've done it myself..but I didn't go selling my T.V. and shit only shit I could live without)..both drugs do trigger the reward system in the brain..but to say coke is less addictive then weed is some what comical..cuz it just isn't true.u barely hear of people going to rehab for weed while u always hear about people going to rehab for coke.
 
FlipMo said:
Just because he hasn't done it, doesn't mean he hasn't been around it and know what it can do.

Well ok he's been around it and aint tried it, i've been around it and lived the life of an out an out junkie for a very long time! and im saying coke really aint a big deal, either is X, or speed.

I also agree with rukas that hash really can cause big problems in life! I dont know anyone who's fucked up on coke,X,or speed, but i know hundreds of peeps who's life has went all to fuck with smoking hash!(including my own)

I've also got friends who have been trying to stop smoking hash since the mid nineties.

And for the record i aint saying run out an score some coke! I already said i dont think its a wise thing to be getting into at 16, All im saying is to the normal dude out there with common sense, coke aint a big deal.
 
Rukas said:
You're confusing coke with crack and heroin. I dont know any coke user that looks like the "walking dead"; look at the most famous case, Maradona. He got fat, not skinny.



Yep seems people can't differenciate between Coke and Crack.





BonGMaN said:
man..weed is more addictive?..lol..very funny..sure u become mentally dependant when u toke alot..(like me ;p)..but it is in no way physically addictive unlike coke which has big withdraws..and tends to make users "wanna do it again"..and it's cokeheads and crackheads that go out and sell/rob pretty much anything for coke/crack..while stoners usually would only do that if they had no money and were chronic..(sure I've done it myself..but I didn't go selling my .T.V. and shit only shit I could live without)..both drugs do trigger the reward system in the brain..but to say coke is less addictive then weed is some what comical..cuz it just isn't true.u barely hear of people going to rehab for weed while u always hear about people going to rehab for coke.



Coke isn't physically addictive. And I don't know anyone who has stole to feed a cocaine habit. lol. And I know a lot of druggies.

A few of my friends are heroin addicts, or should I say ex-friends as I've now distanced myself from them. I gave them 3 years of my time, if you can't recover then, you're fucked. And some of them have had chips inserted. They're the ones who are physically addicted.
 
Rukas said:
You're confusing coke with crack and heroin. I dont know any coke user that looks like the "walking dead"; look at the most famous case, Maradona. He got fat, not skinny.

Would you like to talk to my brother and ask him what the 'walking dead' looks like.

I'm far from confusing myself. Just cause Maradona got fat, doesn't mean it's the same with everyone.

I know what has been around me, and Ruk says he's knows what he's talking about.

I'm not changing my views. :thumb:

Peace
 
FlipMo said:
Would you like to talk to my brother and ask him what the 'walking dead' looks like.

I'm far from confusing myself. Just cause Maradona got fat, doesn't mean it's the same with everyone.

I know what has been around me, and Ruk says he's knows what he's talking about.

I'm not changing my views. :thumb:

Peace


I've never seen anyone look shitty off cocaine. Maybe if they've been up all night. But if you've been up all night on caffeine or just naturally you still look like shit.


Cocaine is the drug of choice by celebs. No-one can tell you are a user. Heroin and Crack users become very obvious after a while.
 
I know no one can tell you're a user, but I discovered after seeing the shit be snorted or smoked. Like I said, you may have never seen anyone, but for someone who was doing nothing but that and hardly ever eating. It shows.

Drug of choice by celebs, looks at Kate Moss, thin as hell and a known fucking cokehead as well.

I'm done with this thread.

Saint listened to me and the others, that's all that matter.

Peace
 
FlipMo said:
Drug of choice by celebs, looks at Kate Moss, thin as hell and a known fucking cokehead as well.



Peace

Yeah and il bet you that she's been snorting coke since she was around 18 or 19, an she aint ever had any problems whatsoever! the only problem she has is that she got caught.
 
Pittsey said:
Yep seems people can't differenciate between Coke and Crack.









Coke isn't physically addictive. And I don't know anyone who has stole to feed a cocaine habit. lol. And I know a lot of druggies.

A few of my friends are heroin addicts, or should I say ex-friends as I've now distanced myself from them. I gave them 3 years of my time, if you can't recover then, you're fucked. And some of them have had chips inserted. They're the ones who are physically addicted.

sorry to burst your bubble..but coke is physically addictive..

here's some facts seeing as many of you don't know the real facts..I"ll bold the important facts

Cocaine Effects
Cocaine effects are extremely detrimental on the body and the consequences related to cocaine effects can eventually lead to permanent damage, addiction and death. While each person who uses this drug reacts to it differently, there are two distinct categories of cocaine effects: short-term effects and long-term effects. Even if a person has only used cocaine once, he/she can experience short-term cocaine effects. Long-term cocaine effects appear after increased periods of use and are dependent upon the duration of time and amount of cocaine that has been consumed.

Short-term cocaine effects are noticeable immediately and although they are not always damaging, in some cases they have caused serious bodily damage and death. Deaths related to cocaine effects are often a result of cardiac arrest or seizures and respiratory failure. * Some of the short-term cocaine effects first time users experience includes increased energy, decreased appetite, and increased heart rate and blood pressure.

Short-term cocaine effects include:
Increased blood pressure
Constricted blood vessels
Dilated pupils
Mental alertness
Increased energy
Increased heart rate
Decreased appetite
Increased temperature

People who try cocaine often get hooked to the short-term cocaine effects, namely feeling as though they have increased energy. The quick high keeps users feeling energetic and able to endure longer in physical activities. New cocaine users often try cocaine to increase productivity at work and in other areas of their lives so that they can work longer and harder. While these results may seem promising in the beginning, increased tolerance and dangerous life choices often follow repeated cocaine use.

One cocaine effect, appetite suppression, is very popular for people looking to lose weight or maintain a low weight. Fashion models have been known to use cocaine in order to stay thin. Cocaine users often go days without eating and if this behavior is continued it can lead to addiction. Increased heart rate, blood pressure, constricted blood vessels, dilated pupils, and increased temperature are all short-term physiological cocaine effects. When taken in large quantities, cocaine will intensify the user's high and may cause violent and erratic behavior on the part of the user.

Long-tem cocaine effects are noticeable as cocaine abuse continues and tolerance builds. Since cocaine is a highly addictive drug, it can lead to major medical complications and health problems. Some of the these complications include heart disease, heart attacks, respiratory failure, strokes, seizures, and gastrointestinal problems. Other physical symptoms include convulsions, nausea, blurred vision, chest pain, fever, muscle spasms, and coma.

As the habit of using cocaine becomes increasingly important, behavior such as lying, heating, stealing, absenteeism at work and denying the use of cocaine, is an evident side effect. While these behaviors are not directly related to the use of cocaine, these cocaine effects are often present due to the lifestyle of the addict.

Other long-term cocaine effects include:

Addiction
Paranoia

Irritability
Restlessness
Auditory hallucinations
Mood disturbances

With continued use, many cocaine addicts develop a higher tolerance for the drug over time. Addicts are also said to "chase the high"; meaning they continue to use cocaine seeking the feeling they felt the first time they used it. For people addicted to cocaine and cocaine effects, this high will never again be felt in the same way, and this addiction can lead to insanity and death.

Spencer Recovery Centers specializes in the treatment of cocaine effects and cocaine addiction. We understand the pain of addiction and provide drug treatment and recovery options that are customized for each individual. If you or someone you love has a substance abuse problem and needs help, contact us today. For more information and consultation call Spencer Recovery Centers at 800.281.4166.

* Source: National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
 
trust me there is a difference between not having any experience and not being a coke user. i think i made that REAL clear in my post... dont snort lines, read between them, if u get what im saying man. i said theres this shit i am just not gonna go into on the net i know a few of you know what i mean.

just read all this so ill just reply to what i can remember, uhhh maradonna already admitted he did coke back in the days when he was skinny... coke didnt make him fat alcohol did. coke aint gonna make nobody fat lol coke is a stimulant. it increases your metabolic rate. if you are just sitting there, or youre just sitting there on coke, youll be burning calories faster on coke. but if you do coke, and you fucking drink shitloads of calories every day like maradonna youll get fat. simple. did coke make him fat, no. coke made him a junkie.

oh yeh another thing people keep bringing up. im not saying weed is ok because i do it. i already addressed that issue.

weed is not ok because i do it.

i could tell you about someone i know who got kicked out of the u.s. army cos of some weed... ended up addicted to coke (coke NOT EVEN CRACK)... lost his family over it, lost his job, his house... but that shouldnt be the reason you dont do coke. dont go by peoples examples. go by the truth. sure nobody will know youre on coke, but thats what coke does! basically it just releases an INSTANT hit in your brain... this already been proven to be addictive, not something we're gonna argue about, its already the truth. basically weed makes your heart rate lower, and releases other 'feel good' chemicals in your brain...

coke makes your heart go into overdrive. when your heart doesnt naturally WANT to go into overdrive. you know that feeling you get in an emergency, that WIDE AWAKE awareness feeling? thats coke basically. its the type of shit built into our bodies that comes out and would give us the strength to pull up someone who is hanging off a cliff, or some stupid shit like that. but nowhere in normal life would you get that feeling from just fucking i dunno, walking down a catwalk, or watching tv or listening to music...

so when you give yourself that feeling you are basically reprogramming your body against millions of years of natural evolution. you'll want that high feeling when you are walking to the shops, when youre driving, when youre doing nothing, then you have to pay for it... even if the coke is free, and believe me for some people it doesnt cost a penny... dont touch it.

in your life youre gonna see a lot of people around you fall off in different ways. its up to you if you want to be one of them...

oh yeh and no experience is real fucking funny to me ill tell my mate that when i visit him in the fucking mental home lol
 
BonGMaN said:
sorry to burst your bubble..but coke is physically addictive..

here's some facts seeing as many of you don't know the real facts..I"ll bold the important facts

Cocaine Effects
Cocaine effects are extremely detrimental on the body and the consequences related to cocaine effects can eventually lead to permanent damage, addiction and death. While each person who uses this drug reacts to it differently, there are two distinct categories of cocaine effects: short-term effects and long-term effects. Even if a person has only used cocaine once, he/she can experience short-term cocaine effects. Long-term cocaine effects appear after increased periods of use and are dependent upon the duration of time and amount of cocaine that has been consumed.

Short-term cocaine effects are noticeable immediately and although they are not always damaging, in some cases they have caused serious bodily damage and death. Deaths related to cocaine effects are often a result of cardiac arrest or seizures and respiratory failure. * Some of the short-term cocaine effects first time users experience includes increased energy, decreased appetite, and increased heart rate and blood pressure.

Short-term cocaine effects include:
Increased blood pressure
Constricted blood vessels
Dilated pupils
Mental alertness
Increased energy
Increased heart rate
Decreased appetite
Increased temperature

People who try cocaine often get hooked to the short-term cocaine effects, namely feeling as though they have increased energy. The quick high keeps users feeling energetic and able to endure longer in physical activities. New cocaine users often try cocaine to increase productivity at work and in other areas of their lives so that they can work longer and harder. While these results may seem promising in the beginning, increased tolerance and dangerous life choices often follow repeated cocaine use.

One cocaine effect, appetite suppression, is very popular for people looking to lose weight or maintain a low weight. Fashion models have been known to use cocaine in order to stay thin. Cocaine users often go days without eating and if this behavior is continued it can lead to addiction. Increased heart rate, blood pressure, constricted blood vessels, dilated pupils, and increased temperature are all short-term physiological cocaine effects. When taken in large quantities, cocaine will intensify the user's high and may cause violent and erratic behavior on the part of the user.

Long-tem cocaine effects are noticeable as cocaine abuse continues and tolerance builds. Since cocaine is a highly addictive drug, it can lead to major medical complications and health problems. Some of the these complications include heart disease, heart attacks, respiratory failure, strokes, seizures, and gastrointestinal problems. Other physical symptoms include convulsions, nausea, blurred vision, chest pain, fever, muscle spasms, and coma.

As the habit of using cocaine becomes increasingly important, behavior such as lying, heating, stealing, absenteeism at work and denying the use of cocaine, is an evident side effect. While these behaviors are not directly related to the use of cocaine, these cocaine effects are often present due to the lifestyle of the addict.

Other long-term cocaine effects include:

Addiction
Paranoia

Irritability
Restlessness
Auditory hallucinations
Mood disturbances

With continued use, many cocaine addicts develop a higher tolerance for the drug over time. Addicts are also said to "chase the high"; meaning they continue to use cocaine seeking the feeling they felt the first time they used it. For people addicted to cocaine and cocaine effects, this high will never again be felt in the same way, and this addiction can lead to insanity and death.

Spencer Recovery Centers specializes in the treatment of cocaine effects and cocaine addiction. We understand the pain of addiction and provide drug treatment and recovery options that are customized for each individual. If you or someone you love has a substance abuse problem and needs help, contact us today. For more information and consultation call Spencer Recovery Centers at 800.281.4166.

* Source: National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)


Why dont you post the effects of weed use then?????

I still cant believe any one in their right mind would single out Paranoia and addictivness as a bad thing, make it bold, and then say weed is alright and call themselves BONGMAN!

Thats so hypocritical its not even funny.
 
Heres your marijuana effects from the same source you used.

Effects on the Brain

Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.

In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement(5).

The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana use indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term use of other major drugs of abuse. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system(6) and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine(7). Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.
Effects on the Heart

One study has indicated that a user’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana(8). The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.
Effects on the Lungs

A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers(9). Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways(10). Smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and the more marijuana smoked the greater the increase(11). A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

Marijuana use also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens(12, 13). In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke(14). It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells(15). Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may increase the risk of cancer more than smoking tobacco.
Other Health Effects

Some of marijuana’s adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system’s ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited(16). In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors(17, 18).
Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use on Learning and Social Behavior

Depression(19), anxiety(20), and personality disturbances(21) have been associated with marijuana use. Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off(22, 23).

Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their non-smoking peers(24, 25, 26, 27). A study of 129 college students found that, for heavy users of marijuana (those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days), critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours(28). The heavy marijuana users in the study had more trouble sustaining and shifting their attention and in registering, organizing, and using information than did the study participants who had used marijuana no more than 3 of the previous 30 days. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a reduced intellectual level all of the time.

More recently, the same researchers showed that the ability of a group of long-term heavy marijuana users to recall words from a list remained impaired for a week after quitting, but returned to normal within 4 weeks(29). Thus, it is possible that some cognitive abilities may be restored in individuals who quit smoking marijuana, even after long-term heavy use.

Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover. A study of municipal workers found that those who used marijuana on or off the job reported more “withdrawal behaviors”—such as leaving work without permission, daydreaming, spending work time on personal matters, and shirking tasks—that adversely affect productivity and morale(30). In another study, marijuana users reported that use of the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including cognitive abilities, career status, social life, and physical and mental health(31).
Effects on Pregnancy

Research has shown that babies born to women who used marijuana during their pregnancies display altered responses to visual stimuli, increased tremulousness, and a high-pitched cry, which may indicate neurological problems in development(32). During infancy and preschool years, marijuana-exposed children have been observed to have more behavioral problems than unexposed children and poorer performance on tasks of visual perception, language comprehension, sustained attention, and memory(33, 34). In school, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in decision-making skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive(35, 36, 37).
Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. Drug craving and withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, and anxiety(38). They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately one week after the last use of the drug(39).
Genetic Vulnerability

Scientists have found that whether an individual has positive or negative sensations after smoking marijuana can be influenced by heredity. A 1997 study demonstrated that identical male twins were more likely than non-identical male twins to report similar responses to marijuana use, indicating a genetic basis for their response to the drug(40). (Identical twins share all of their genes.)

It also was discovered that the twins’ shared or family environment before age 18 had no detectable influence on their response to marijuana. Certain environmental factors, however, such as the availability of marijuana, expectations about how the drug would affect them, the influence of friends and social contacts, and other factors that differentiate experiences of identical twins were found to have an important effect.

Like I said, weed use leaves you lazy and dumb and takes your energy away, leaving you looking and feeling tired and makes you anti social and paranoid. Coke makes you work better and gives you more energy. Both have negative effects and really neither should be used, but to say that weed is alright and coke is wrong is TOTALLY hypocritical and stupid.

At 16 is he was to get into weed he probably would do worse at school and lack motivation, if he was to snort a line he'd be up all night working on his assignment lol.

If you're anti drug, dont use either, dont even drink. But no one in their right mind who knows anything about drugs can suggest smoking weed as a good normal nonharmful thing to do but act like coke is so evil.

Case closed.
 
Drug websites always give you the total worst case scenarios. They list those as side effects etc. But in reality it's nothing like that.

Check out the side effects of aspirin. I think they're even listed in the bottle. It says aspirin can kill you. Do you know anyone who's died from aspirin.

And I'm not saying do cocaine. I hate it. It gives me stomach aches and makes me feel shit for days. I'm just saying it's not the killer drug you're assuming. If you don't give people the correct information it will cloud your judgement.

I know people whose parents told them all drugs were bad and to never do any drugs. They tried weed and wondered what the hell their parents were on. Then all their parents advice was ignored. Now they are addicted to Heroin.

I understand people have had bad experiences with Cocaine, but that isn't the case for the majority. And can be said about any drug.
 
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