Att: Rukas and everyone Else.

[S O F I]

You're a bad boy, Jurhum.

 

[7 Syns]

I had to laugh at this thread.. anal sex, to those who wish to participate in it then it's their will.

peace.

 

[Rukas]

Music is against Islam? You have to be kidding me? So you can only listen to religious music? What propoganda! Sorry, but no wonder so many extreme Muslims have such a warped sense of perception of the world if they are only allowed to watch Muslim movies, listen to Muslim music, read Muslim texts.

 

[Duke]

Music is against Islam? You have to be kidding me? So you can only listen to religious music? What propoganda! Sorry, but no wonder so many extreme Muslims have such a warped sense of perception of the world if they are only allowed to watch Muslim movies, listen to Muslim music, read Muslim texts.

Yes, now i am puzzled too. Against anal sex is one thing, against music an entirely other.

 

[cookies]

I think its silly.

Islam allows oral sex, hand jobs, titty fucks, anything and everything, but anal sex? Seems weird to me, and slightly homophobic. The STD debate is irrational, if STDs are the only worry, does that mean anal sex with a condom is allowed? Not to mention the fact that STDs are transfered through vaginal sex as well, so that argument is silly.

For the record, I object to this thread making it seem like Im that concerned with anal sex, Im not, and have never done it. We went down the list of what was allowed and what wasnt and you couldnt answer (at first) if it was allowed and why not. Like I said, you informed me that oral sex is allowed (my first question), any form of touching any region sexually apart from the anal area.

At the end of the day I was curious, its not like I was asking permission or really care what Islam says I am allowed to do or am not allowed to do, Im not Muslim, and Catholicism gives me enough guilt trips as it is.

huh, wtf i dont think thats true. jurhum u a muslim u tell him that shit?

 

[Jurhum]

^ Oral sex is permissible as long as no fluids are swallowed or ejected onto others.

Back to the Music, hmmm, it's the content that music encompasses especially in the west that makes it makrooh (extremely disliked). Some would argue it's not prohibited, others would argue against that.

There is a lot of music in the Arab world. Saying that not listening to music is what produces extremist is a very blind judgment. Is music really a necessity in life? Are movies really that important?

Although, I'm not a very devout Muslim, I try; I still can see what's right and what's wrong.

 

[Duke]

^ Oral sex is permissible as long as no fluids are swallowed or ejected onto others.

Back to the Music, hmmm, it's the content that music encompasses especially in the west that makes it makrooh (extremely disliked). Some would argue it's not prohibited, others would argue against that.

There is a lot of music in the Arab world. Saying that not listening to music is what produces extremist is a very blind judgment. Is music really a necessity in life? Are movies really that important?

Although, I'm not a very devout Muslim, I try; I still can see what's right and what's wrong.

Of course, i doubt Ruk, or anyone else for that matter, thought music was totally forbidden. However:

^ Actually, well, if Ipod is used for Music then it's prohibited. However, if the Nano is used to listen to religious audio, then it's permissible.

saying you cant use ipods to store music is silly. Every song has to be judged on it's own content, thus creating a huge "gray area" of shadiness and dimness and many other shadowy words, over which you could debate for years. Which song is wrong, which isn't?

 

[Jurhum]

^ You are right. It's a complex issue. However, it is left to the user him, or herself to decide what's is according to Islam what is not. Songs that have no beneficial meanings are worthless. While in other songs every other word is an obscene word. Do you think it’s good for society as a whole?

Do you know how many songs out there are degrading women? Explicitly, other songs only talk about sex, refereeing to females as, "hoes," "bitches," and other derogatory terms? Do you even accept that when you listen to such songs?

Let’s not try to look at it from an ideal perspective; rather, let’s look at it from a practical one.

 

[Jokerman]

Songs about anal sex gotta be forbidden, right? Then what else is there to listen to!!!

 

[Chronic]

There is a lot of music in the Arab world

Isn't this about Islam?

 

[Jurhum]

^Then, just replace that with the Muslim world.

 

[Illuminattile]

^ You are right. It's a complex issue. However, it is left to the user him, or herself to decide what's is according to Islam what is not.

If Islam has the answer for "every thing in life" then surely it should have a clear answer for this?

Songs that have no beneficial meanings are worthless.

So simple, enjoyable music isn't allowed because it doesn't have a beneficial message behind it? I enjoy listening to music, isn't that benefit enough?

While in other songs every other word is an obscene word. Do you think it’s good for society as a whole?

Do you know how many songs out there are degrading women? Explicitly, other songs only talk about sex, refereeing to females as, "hoes," "bitches," and other derogatory terms? Do you even accept that when you listen to such songs?

Don't try and make out that all western music is violent, degrading, misogynistic garbage to justify what certainly seems like an absurd stance for a religion to take.

 

[Chronic]

^Then, just replace that with the Muslim world.

Yeah I know. I was just kind of wondering if there was a reason why you said 'Arab' instead of 'Muslim', since the largest part of Muslims isn't Arab.

 

[Jurhum]

If Islam has the answer for "every thing in life" then surely it should have a clear answer for this?

It does.

So simple, enjoyable music isn't allowed because it doesn't have a beneficial message behind it? I enjoy listening to music, isn't that benefit enough?

No.

Don't try and make out that all western music is violent, degrading, misogynistic garbage to justify what certainly seems like an absurd stance for a religion to take.

I'm not. I live in a western country. I listend to all kinds of music.​

Honestly, I found no benifit whatsoever. All I gained was how to be ganster, thugged-out, and curse a lot.

Arabic music has its negatives as well.

 

[Jurhum]

Yeah I know. I was just kind of wondering if there was a reason why you said 'Arab' instead of 'Muslim', since the largest part of Muslims isn't Arab.

Well, I came from an Arabic country. I just happened to take the Arab world as an example, since most Arabs are Muslims.

 

[Illuminattile]

It does.

Either it has a clear answer or "it is left to the user him, or herself to decide". Which is it? I've looked up the issue of music on several Muslim sites and they all seem to have come up with different ways to justify the anti-music stance.

Honestly, I found no benifit whatsoever. All I gained was how to be ganster, thugged-out, and curse a lot.

I feel sorry for you, then.

 

[Jurhum]

Either it has a clear answer or "it is left to the user him, or herself to decide". Which is it? I've looked up the issue of music on several Muslim sites and they all seem to have come up with different ways to justify the anti-music stance.


I feel sorry for you, then.

saying you cant use ipods to store music is silly. Every song has to be judged on it's own content, thus creating a huge "gray area" of shadiness and dimness and many other shadowy words, over which you could debate for years. Which song is wrong, which isn't?

I was replying to this. When I said the user can decide. Meaning, there are religious audio, songs if u will that could be listened to.

Don't be sorry for me. I am fine.

 

[Illuminattile]

Don't be sorry for me. I am fine.

lol, I'm sure you are fine. I just meant that...I take great benefit from music. Not really hip-hop, but music in general. Seems very strange to me that Islam would take an anti-music stance. It's not like back when Islam was founded there were a bunch of people rapping about gangsta bitches and poppin' caps.

 

[Helena]

^How exactly does music benefit you?

 

[Illuminattile]

^How exactly does music benefit you?

Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.