11/12 Premier League thread

^^he wants to leave because he has fallen out with Ferguson. maybe he is pissed that Ferguson ruined his chances of doing well at a World Cup.

i wouldnt surprise me if the Glazers will want a cash only deal to service their debts.

Thing is, we can say Fergie made him play, but Rooney himself won't say no, he will play with a broken ankle if he wants to. Rooney has played through injury before, he did in the 2006 World Cup which Fergie was against him doing.

Rooney is at fault for his personal life shenanigans and probably wants go get away from the media here.
 
It's a funny one isn't it. I have to admit to feeling a bit of a hypocrite - last season I used the 'Liverpool fans stand by their manager' line more than once during the interminable Rafa debates. But I can't bring myself to do it now.

Not because of my admiration for Rafa - I want Roy out because of the damage he is doing and I want him out before he does any more.

I know some will say that some of the issues below are not his fault and that Purslow was to blame. But isn't that indicative that we got the wrong man, could you imagine Dalglish or Pellegrini or Rijkaard or Deschamps sitting idly back while good players are sold or loaned?

Roy's damage:

Rather than putting an end to disruptive player power, he's pandered to it and made it even more of an English clique running the club. No wonder Torres looks fucked off. Cole and Gerrard expect to play where they want, and Carra expects to play every week. I know the latter point is nothing new, but it needs addressing as the decline is accelerating and his shouting is just looking hypocritical now.

Playing Meireles on the right. Moronic, bone-headed, unnecessary and no logic to it. Pretty clear to me he was scouted by Macia.

Buying Poulsen when any Juventus fan will tell you his legs went long ago.

Loaning Aquilani to Juventus while buying Poulsen from them - we are genuinely a laughing stock because of this. Aquilani starting for them and playing extremely well.

Loaning Insua out while he had a year on his contract, is aged 21 and who has serious potential. 21 is very young for an LB and his assists record last year was excellent, though he did make the odd defensive error. He's played in full internationals for Argentina. But you've loaned him, knowing full well we will now recoup no money for him. And replaced him with Paul fucking Konchesky? Any way you cut it, this is a fuckup. Even if Insua wasn't good enough (I think he was) that's money wasted by not selling him.

Picking the wantaway Masch over Lucas early in the season. Openly talking about Lucas being for sale. Terrible management of a player who gives everything and who has started to win the fans over after a torrid start.

Glen Johnson is a fine, international class attacking full back. He ain't going to be that if you don't let him outside his own half now, is he?

Repeated criticism of Daniel Agger who is, for me, our best CB. Just because your 'tactics' don't involve a cultured, passing CB Roy, doesn't mean you have to single him out for criticism and accuse him of 'miraculously recovering'from injuries in order to play for Denmark. Just look at his quotes over the summer. We don't have enough players with the right loyalty and attitude and you're making an example of one of those few. Brilliant.

The blaming of the players and absolving yourself of all personal responsibility after Northampton. Even worse, the cringingly embarrassing 'B-Team' comments. What did you hope to achieve by saying that? Lucas Leiva starts for Brazil. Daniel Agger captains Denmark. Babel was in a WC final squad this year. Even if they are fringe players for the first team (and they shouldn't all be), we do not have a B Team. Unbelievably poor man management, from a bloke who's fucking famed for being a man manager.

The incredible lack of ambition - as soon as he started he was banging on about people lowering their expectations. Really Roy? You'd just brought in Joe Cole and proclaimed him as the saviour of all that is good and holy. We don't expect you to win the title but lowering the bar you've set for yourself so quickly has a detrimental effect on the more ambitious players.

The abysmal shirking of responsibility in press conferences.

The embarrassing bleating on about 35 years of experience. If I were you Roy I wouldn't encourage people to look too closely at your CV.

The instant change from zonal marking to man marking. Is this because Sky don't like zonal? Roy, weren't you the man who famously and controversially switched Inter Milan from man to man to zonal marking? The players are used to zonal marking. Last season was a horror show in many respects but we still conceded the 3rd least amount of goals. Bizarre decision to make so swiftly.

Our best performances in recent years have seen the back 4 on the halfway line as we attack, and we've pressed teams to death. Now we not only don't do that, we let other teams to do it to us. Most recently Everton yesterday. Fine, you might have employed a reasonably successful system with moderate teams over the years, with the defence deep and hoofing aimlessly. But, again, you've changed something that our players were used to, and which has been successful for them. Why? Is it because a high line doesn't suit Carra? Well fucking stick Agger in then. Mind you, you've gone on record as saying you won't change your tactical beliefs. Thanks at least for that honesty, helps us make our mind up quicker.

It is painfully obvious that Fernando Torres is unhappy at leading the line on his own with the midfield 40 yards away, having to hope that a hoof falls for him. That's why he isn't playing well - so stop hinting to the press that he's off form. Even if he was in the form of his life, he'd still only get a chance a game unless you change the system to suit his (and other players) strengths.

Your criticism of the SOS protests was, being kind, ham fisted.

Yesterday's bizarre rudeness re: Denmark and Norway to a Norwegian journalist. WTF was that? Are you aware how many Scandinavians follow the team?

Rafael van der Vaart apparently 'didn't fit the profile of player we are looking for'. Really? I can believe that, but all it does is further convince me that you're trying to mould LFC into Fulham. Please don't. A player with skill and creativity is exactly what we need. Van der Vaart or, dare I say it, Aquilani fit the bill.

Liverpool managers do not cosy up to Alex Ferguson. How about making an effort to engage with the fans of your own club rather than improve relationships with other managers eh? For the record Carra was dead wrong on this recently too. We don't need to be nice to other teams FFS - quite the opposite. Rafa got under Ferguson's skin which had a hand in some excellent results against them recently. It also gets the fans behind you.

There are more mistakes and indiscretions than those I've listed off the top of my head, and it's an incredible list given the short time he's had at the club. Incredible.

So yeah, I'm a hypocrite. I fully agree with the tenet that we should support the manager. But I'm not convinced that he was brought in for the right reasons, and I'm also not sure that if he stays it will be for the right reasons...so I'm struggling to now.
i saw this on RAWK today. its spot on really. Roy is doing too much damage. he needs to go ASAP.

an interesting point in relation to Insua, the were strong rumours going around that Ferguson made an enquiry about him last season.
 
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A journalist asked him about the lack of support for Torres. Hodgson asked if he was from Denmark, the reporter said "No, Norway". Hodgson said "Two countries I never want to work in again" and walked off.

im not sure about the b team one. ill find out later.
 
I think the scousers are so depressed with the going ons at their club they are hoping Man United get some shit too. That's why they are so obsessed with Man U's debt, and hoping that Rooney leaves. If Rooney does leave, and that isn't decided yet, it's common for agents to release stories like this to get the best deal for their clients, then Rooney will suffer.

Personally. I'd like Rooney to play abroad. It's best for the England team. I'd encourage all English players to go abroad. If he leaves for Man City though... No good.
 
I think the scousers are so depressed with the going ons at their club they are hoping Man United get some shit too. That's why they are so obsessed with Man U's debt, and hoping that Rooney leaves. If Rooney does leave, and that isn't decided yet, it's common for agents to release stories like this to get the best deal for their clients, then Rooney will suffer.

Personally. I'd like Rooney to play abroad. It's best for the England team. I'd encourage all English players to go abroad. If he leaves for Man City though... No good.

yea, this is the type of reply thats typical of most Man Utd fans. brush it all under the carpet and ignore that your club may well be facing some extremely difficult times in the future. At least Liverpool fans went out and actually did something about the perilous situation at Liverpool. Most Man Utd fans seem to be ignoring whats going on at their club and any time a rival supporter raises the issue, they just brush it off as bitterness or say its just what they want to happen.
 
yea, this is the type of reply thats typical of most Man Utd fans. brush it all under the carpet and ignore that your club may well be facing some extremely difficult times in the future. At least Liverpool fans went out and actually did something about the perilous situation at Liverpool. Most Man Utd fans seem to be ignoring whats going on at their club and any time a rival supporter raises the issue, they just brush it off as bitterness or say its just what they want to happen.



I am not a Man U fan.

What did Liverpool fans do? lol. As a fan you can't do anything. Unless you are a fan with a 51% holding.


I am of the opinion there's no point worrying about a problem, until the problem realises itself. There is also fuck all the United fans can do. So if it does go the Liverpool way. Tough shit.
 
Liverpool fans did alot fyi. like they did alot to get Steve Cohen off the air in america when he was spouting his lies over there last year. yes, fans can do alot if they get together. dont underestimate what the Liverpool fans did here.
 
Man Utd fans have done a few things. When the glazers came over they started their own team. They have tried to wrestle some control back but the Glazers won't budge and probably can't. The fact it will cost over a Billion pounds to get full control and pay off the debt is nearly impossible.

Regarding Rooney, Rooney really has his self to blame for his lack of form. if he wants to leave, then he can, I just hope he realises not many players go on to better things when they leave Man Utd.
 
^^im not saying all are like that.

like for example, they had this protest where they would boycott official club merchandise and where the green and yellow stuff at the games, yet while alot of the supporters were doing this, you had a lot of idiots wearing the green and white over man utd shirts, scarves etc.
 
I think you over estimate the power of the fans. Liverpool got sold because Hicks and Gillet couln't afford to pay the loans.


If all fans refused to buy merchandise and tickets. Maybe. But that's not going to happen.
 
^^yes and Liverpool fans bombarded would be lenders with emails telling them not to so he couldnt raise the money needed to pay off the debts. so they did have some effect on it.

did you not see Hick's interview on sky? he referred to them as internet terrorists lol and was blaming them as well as everyone else except himself.
 
^^yes and Liverpool fans bombarded would be lenders with emails telling them not to so he couldnt raise the money needed to pay off the debts. so they did have some effect on it.

did you not see Hick's interview on sky? he referred to them as internet terrorists lol and was blaming them as well as everyone else except himself.


Didn't see it.

If there was profit, people would have invested.

Money >>> Morals, ethics... Unfortunately.
 
If you stop showing up at games completely... that's probably a professional team's worst nightmare. An all out boycott can ruin any franchise and force a change.
 

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