10 Dead in Minnesota Teen Rampage

[Silleone]

^ Jessie Ventura once said something like lives would be saved if teachers carried guns. I'm afraid some teachers would shoot the kids.

The grampa should have kept the guns in a locker with a combination that only he knew.

exactly, what sort of idiot leaves guns lying around, especially a cop, dont they teach gun contol on like the first day of cop school.

 

[Jokerman]

dont they teach gun contol on like the first day of cop school.

Gun control means using boff hands in my land.

 

[The.Menace]

And of course the school security guy didn't have a gun so he got killed. I guess he yelled at the kid, "Don't shoot and kill me." That always works in that situation. Once again, the people who could have stopped this guy before he killed all these people aren't allowed to have guns.

By gun control I don't mean to have more guns, I mean havin less guns. I know you don't agree Jockerman, we don't have to go there. In my view it's just silly to solve violence with more violence, to solve a gun problem with havin more even guns.... I know this is the american way but I don't like it.
Don't ya all think there's something wrong if you forced to have school security? In countries with real gun control (europe), that isn't necessary.....

 

[S O F I]

^What gun control? I could get a gun in Europe, especially in Bosnia, faster than here in the US. This is not about gun control, it's about the fucked up state of mind people are, in this country.

 

[S. Fourteen]

I think it is about guns.

a) Fucked up people with guns.

b) Fucked up people with sticks and stones.

 

[The.Menace]

Of course you can get a gun in Europe too but cause of gun control there are far less guns around that's why way less teenager go on a killin spree. Agreed?

P.S: Don't take this as offence, but I don't count Bosnia to "Europe with gun control". Things in Ex Yugoslavia are still shaken up from the war.

 

[Emma]

^What gun control? I could get a gun in Europe, especially in Bosnia, faster than here in the US. This is not about gun control, it's about the fucked up state of mind people are, in this country.

It's both, if they weren't able to get a gun then they wouldn't do it

 

[Es-R Mafia]

Hey kids are the worse when it comes to bulliying other kids, I myself am guilty, I dropped some of my friends because they were "unusual." but that is no reason to kill innocent ppl. He told ppl he was going to do this cuz he was tortured at school....just another political thing for the "tha man" to use in his next campaign, there's not going to be gun control, there's not gonna be teachers with guns...only politcians argueing over it, it's sad really. R.I.P. to my native bretheren.

 

[OxyContin]

^What gun control? I could get a gun in Europe, especially in Bosnia, faster than here in the US. This is not about gun control, it's about the fucked up state of mind people are, in this country.

Damn right, Americans (Whites, Blacks, Natives, Asians, Latinos...) are fucked up. All that McDonald's is rotting away their brains.

 

[Default MX]

^What gun control? I could get a gun in Europe, especially in Bosnia, faster than here in the US. This is not about gun control, it's about the fucked up state of mind people are, in this country.

Seriously. In Bosnia you litteraly find guns laying around. And if some American visited Bosnia I would not be surprised if they went into a mine field despite the fact it says "MINE FIELD."

 

[soulja4death]

Wonder why columbine got years of dicussion yet this event didn't even get 5 seconds on any of my local news programs.

 

[haunted]

Wonder why columbine got years of dicussion yet this event didn't even get 5 seconds on any of my local news programs.

They people werent white and it wasnt in a Upper Class Neighborhood

 

[Flipmo]

^What gun control? I could get a gun in Europe, especially in Bosnia, faster than here in the US. This is not about gun control, it's about the fucked up state of mind people are, in this country.

Couldn't agree more with ya man. In Europe, especially places like Bosnia and Balkan countries, you can get yourself 9 mm as easy as getting candy in a store. Ppl have fucked up minds states, especially in the states. The country with the most homocides and murders.

 

[EDouble]

Damn right, Americans (Whites, Blacks, Natives, Asians, Latinos...) are fucked up. All that McDonald's is rotting away their brains.

the fuck does mcdonalds gotta do with it

 

[Flipmo]

Americans love McDonalds.

 

[S O F I]

Of course you can get a gun in Europe too but cause of gun control there are far less guns around that's why way less teenager go on a killin spree. Agreed?

I cannot agree, really, because I believe that the gun is just another way to kill a person. Without guns, those same teenagers would still find a way to go on a killing spree. Would we then need knife control? Now, by "gun control", do you mean simple things like adults locking up their guns from children, or banning guns, period? I'm not up-to-date with the gun control issue.

BTW, I wasn't offended, there was no reason to. I'm well aware that my country is in a fucked up state. But, I'm sure that it applies to many other European countries, in the sense that it's easy to get access to a gun. I do not have specific evidence of that, though.

 

[S. Fourteen]

I'm talking about 'control' on the individual level. Columbine for example, those kids had more than just a gun, they had many... you have to wonder what the parents were thinking.

You're right, fucked up kids will find another way to kill but a kid with a knife is very different from a kid carrying a few guns. Guns are an easy way to kill, that's why it's the weapon of choice. Do you think this kid would have gone ahead and killed people if his opition was a knife?

Back to the control thing... people need to control their kids. Kids get teased, I did. Kids get into trouble at school, I did. Kids will grow up without a father, I did. Kids are fucked up, I was. Kids will hate school and the people in it, I did. I never shot anybody because my mom was smart.

 

[S O F I]

I'm talking about 'control' on the individual level. Columbine for example, those kids had more than just a gun, they had many... you have to wonder what the parents were thinking.

You're right, fucked up kids will find another way to kill but a kid with a knife is very different from a kid carrying a few guns. Guns are an easy way to kill, that's why it's the weapon of choice. Do you think this kid would have gone ahead and killed people if his opition was a knife?

Back to the control thing... people need to control their kids. Kids get teased, I did. Kids get into trouble at school, I did. Kids will grow up without a father, I did. Kids are fucked up, I was. Kids will hate school and the people in it, I did. I never shot anybody because my mom was smart.

I do think that this kid would have gone ahead and killed people if his option was a knife. He would not be able to do much, though. Now, with your last paragraph, that's what I was aiming at. The thing is, his father commited suicide 4 years ago and his mom is in some hospital, suffering from brain injuries. So, technically, she wasn't able to be smart. Here's the update, btw:

RED LAKE, Minn. - Authorities were trying to determine Tuesday what caused a teenager to gun down his grandfather, put on the man's police-issue belt and bulletproof vest, and drive his marked squad car to a high school, where he began shooting his classmates at will.


Jeff Weise, 16, killed nine people and wounded seven Monday before trading gunfire with a police officer and apparently shooting himself. His motive still wasn't clear Tuesday, but the FBI (news - web sites) said the shootings appeared to have been planned in advance.


It was the nation's deadliest school shooting since the Columbine massacre in April 1999 that ended with the deaths of 12 students, a teacher and the two teen gunmen.


The killings on this northern Minnesota Indian reservation began at the home of Weise's grandfather, Daryl Lussier, 58, who was shot to death with a .22-caliber gun, according to Michael Tabman, the FBI's special agent in charge for Minneapolis. Also killed was Lussier's companion, Michelle Sigana.


Lussier had worked as a tribal police officer for decades. Weise then drove the older man's squad car to the school, where he gunned down security guard Derrick Brun at the door and spent about 10 minutes inside, targeting people at random.


Hearing the shots, students and adults barricaded themselves into offices and classrooms and crouched under desks, authorities said. A teacher and five students were shot to death, and two 15-year-olds remained in critical condition at a Fargo, N.D., hospital with gunshot wounds to the face.


"Right now we are in utter disbelief and shock," said Floyd Jourdain Jr., chairman of the Red Lake Band of Chippewa.


Authorities were investigating whether Weise, who dressed in black and wrote stories about zombies, may have posted messages on a neo-Nazi Web site expressing admiration for Adolf Hitler.


Using the handle "Todesengel" — German for "Angel of Death" — the writer identified himself as Jeff Weise of the Red Lake Reservation. In April 2004, he referenced being accused of "a threat on the school I attend," though it says he was later cleared.


Tabman said Tuesday he couldn't confirm whether Weise was the person who made the postings.


School board member Kathryn Beaulieu said Weise had been placed in the school's Homebound program for a policy violation. She did not elaborate.


Relatives told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that Weise was a loner who was often teased by others. They said his father committed suicide four years ago and his mother was living in a Minneapolis nursing home because she suffered brain injuries in a car accident.


Residents at the home where Weise was believed to have lived with his grandmother declined to comment Tuesday. School was canceled for the day as investigators scoured the building for clues.


High school principal Chris Dunshee said Weise "would not be what I would call an habitual troublemaker," and that he wasn't aware of a lot of teasing.


"I didn't really, I guess, feel that he was teased to the point where something like this would happen," he said.


At the Capitol in St. Paul, several hundred people attended a prayer ceremony for victims of the shooting where religious leaders joined Indians in drumming and chanting.


"Once again our people have been hit ... but our people are strong," said Ona Kingbird, a Red Lake tribal member. "We'll come out of it."





Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty expressed his condolences for the families of the victims and said it appeared the school had "very rigorous security."

"It looks like you had a very disturbed individual who was able to overcome a lot of precautions to do a lot of damage," the governor said.

But a school secretary and a cousin of the slain security guard said that Brun and a female security guard who fled from Weise did not carry guns. Brun's cousin, Nancy Richards, said Brun also did not wear a bulletproof vest.

It was the second fatal school shooting in Minnesota in 18 months. Two students were killed at Rocori High School in Cold Spring in September 2003. Student John Jason McLaughlin, who was 15 at the time, awaits trial in the case.

Red Lake High School has about 300 students, according to its Web site.

The reservation is about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities. It is home to the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, one of the poorest in the state. According to the 2000 census, 5,162 people lived on the reservation, and all but 91 were Indians.

 

[Jokerman]

Apparently, he didn't notice the sign that says "All Weapons Strictly Prohibited" on his way in...

 

[S O F I]

^Good one.