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[Casey]

It was kinda funny to see someone I know have his DC charger port blow out on him, just the weekend before finals. Bought the laptop not 18 months ago and it's already shat on him. It was an ASUS Ultrabook.

This is why I'm not going back to PCs anytime soon.

Ummm....

You understand that PC's have 90% market share, right?

Therefore..... for every 1 Mac that has an issue, there will be 9 PC's. There is zero evidence that the level of quality control at Apple is higher than any other computer manufacturer.

Of course, Apple fans will spin this as that Mac's go wrong less. Which is utter nonsense. There's just WAY less of them in the world to go wrong.

I mean.... NVIDIA GPU issue, anyone? Every single MacBook Pro produced between May 2007 and September 2008 can potentially die at any time due to issues with the GPU used. That's SEVENTEEN MONTHS of producing faulty products. Which is pretty fucking shocking quality control. I know two people who had their MBP's die because of it, personally.

 

[masta247]

I've never personally heard of anyone with a laptop that died. That doesn't prove anything, I know that they die at times.. Could've happened to any piece of hardware.

 

[dilla]

Ummm....

You understand that PC's have 90% market share, right?

Therefore..... for every 1 Mac that has an issue, there will be 9 PC's. There is zero evidence that the level of quality control at Apple is higher than any other computer manufacturer.

Of course, Apple fans will spin this as that Mac's go wrong less. Which is utter nonsense. There's just WAY less of them in the world to go wrong.

I mean.... NVIDIA GPU issue, anyone? Every single MacBook Pro produced between May 2007 and September 2008 can potentially die at any time due to issues with the GPU used. That's SEVENTEEN MONTHS of producing faulty products. Which is pretty fucking shocking quality control. I know two people who had their MBP's die because of it, personally.

The thing is, those market numbers are irrelevant to me. No where in my post did I mention any sort of official statistic, nor did I make any claim on which is more reliable.

Through my experience, as in friends and people I have gone to three universities with, really haven't had many problems with their Macs, or Apple products in general. iPhones, iPads, whatever. I could care less who has the marketshare and what percentage fails on them. Because, again, I didn't even mention numbers.

What I did say is that I have seen plenty of people with different Windows machines have their shit fuck up on them. I am aware of the GPU issue in the MBPs. Six years ago. And I know one or two that had to deal with that. Apple gave them a new machine when it happened. As horrific as the failure rate was, I don't see other manufacturers doing the same. But that's also not part of my argument.

Judging by my observations, I have seen far fewer Apple products fail in relation to Windows machines. As Masta said, it can happen to any hardware. It's not like Apple sprinkles magic fairy dust on their computers to save themselves from failure happening. I just personally haven't seen it happen.

In college I used those iMacs that looked like table lamps. Conical base and a swivel screen attached. Six-plus years old. Worked fine. It gathered data from microscopes and took images and rendered them on the screen for editing. That was the professor's choice to use Macs and that also have them in service for that long. We had Mac Pros in our DRL department and I used those to make posters. The iMacs worked just as smoothly.

My observations. Macs last longer. I don't see P4 Windows machines still being used in any industry. What that means, I don't know or care. I just see the Macs still going on strong. So I base my opinion off that. It just so happens the reliability reports support my opinions, regardless of marketshare.

 

[masta247]

I see P4 Windows machines all the time. I have one from that era that I gave to my mom. We have shitloads of them in university's library. I'd take a Mac over a random OEM machine as far as reliability goes, but there are OEM machines I'd choose over Macs because I trust them more. Although I'd trust a Macbook for being of decent quality too.

I guess an Asus ultrabook dying was just a bad coincidence that could've happened to any other machine, not a matter of poor build quality or quality control. As far as "dying" goes I'd say there are a few crucial components that cause this and it depends on their quality, but even the best ones break at times, and Apple doesn't use the best ones, just decent ones. If you want the best PSU, for example (which is the most important part for reliability) you need to build your own PC, only then you're going to have a rock solid machine that's going to rape everything in the butt as far as reliability goes.

Maybe you don't remember or someone hasn't told you that their Mac died, but they surely do die. I see plenty of dead ones on auction sites as well. It certainly isn't a plague though, and it's not a plague with any other decent laptop model. But it happens. The most important thing in this case here is though that Windows computers aren't build equal, so these generalizations harm the very good models.

 

[dilla]

Again, I'm not saying Macs don't die. And just because I haven't seen them die, doesn't mean I think they don't die. What I am saying is that all my friends are still using their MacBooks from 2007...8..9. To this day. And the most they've had to do was a battery change after 3 years.

And sure, not all OEMs are equal, and even with OEMs you have some ups and downs. I think Macs are more consistent in their quality. The cheapest Mac and the most expensive ones seem to all last the same amount of time.

 

[Casey]

Of course you've seen fewer Apple products fail . Because there are 10x less of them in the world. That's the point.

Statistically, neither fails more or less than the other.

 

[dilla]

Again. Read carefully. On university campuses, Macs are just as prevalent, if not more, than PCs. Apple products in general are the majority including iPads and iPhones and iPods.

Using just the iPad and all Macs I see with students, I have yet to hear a student complain about their Mac or have to do anything more than replace a battery or charger. PC users have charger ports become detached from the motherboard, screens dying, poor battery life after just one year of use, and random keys popping off their keyboard. It can happen to Macs. I haven't seen it happen, nor has anyone close to me told me theirs had issues, save for the GPU issue, which is on a seven year old model now. We can move on from that now.

 

[Pittsey]

There is one manufacturer of Mac. There are 100s of different companies making PCs. They vary in price and quality. You can buy 10 Acer laptops for the price of a macbook.

 

[masta247]

There is one manufacturer of Mac. There are 100s of different companies making PCs. They vary in price and quality. You can buy 10 Acer laptops for the price of a macbook.

Exactly that's the difference.

Also, there's no such thing as a cheap Mac. Even "the cheapest one" is still very expensive for what it is. I'd only expect at least decent quality for that price. That is what they deliver.

 

[dilla]

So Macs are expensive. You would expect nothing less than stellar reliability. Mac delivers on the stellar reliability. You still choose to find some qualms with Macs.

I see.

 

[Pittsey]

I don't have a problem with Macs. But..... I'm a PC.

 

[Casey]

I've never had a PC fail in any way. And I've had machines from different brands for 6, 7, 8 years in some cases.

It is absolute nonsense to suggest that PC's statistically fail more than Macs percentage wise.

But then, people will see what they want to see.

 

[THEV1LL4N]

My Pentium 1 machine (Windows 95) was solid as fuck. I remember upgrading it to Win ME. I loved it.

 

[Pittsey]

The only issue I've ever had is with an Asus Laptop. The battery lead connector came off the cicuit board. It was a cheap piece of shit, but.... Cost me £700 at the time.

Apart from that... About 40 machines. No issues besides those created by me.

 

[masta247]

So Macs are expensive. You would expect nothing less than stellar reliability. Mac delivers on the stellar reliability. You still choose to find some qualms with Macs.

I see.

It's not stellar. It's good, decent. I realize that my PC is way more reliable though. And also it was cheaper, and probably it's also cheaper including all the upgrades that I have made to make it up to date and thus perform better even now too. And I bought it in 2006. It plays demanding games on high settings and never had a single component that failed.

I have a Lenovo laptop that I believe is more reliable too. I dropped it a couple of times, it went wet and once it fell out of my backpack when I was riding a bike. It's alive and doing good, just the keyboard is getting old.

I don't have really major problems with Macs other than Apple's pricing and MacOS (which I don't like now, but might grow on me if Microsoft continue to screw up big time like they do now).

 

[dilla]

I've never had a PC fail in any way. And I've had machines from different brands for 6, 7, 8 years in some cases.

It is absolute nonsense to suggest that PC's statistically fail more than Macs percentage wise.

But then, people will see what they want to see.

No where in my post did I say "statisically." No where in my posts did I give statistics. I said from my experience, Apple products have never given me issues.

But then, people will read what they want to see.

 

[S O F I]

Coonie. Number one rule of arguing:

anecdotes don't win against statistics. so just stop it.


with that said, i'd suck a dick before i'd buy a PC. OS X for life.

 

[dilla]

Coonie. Number one rule of arguing:

anecdotes don't win against statistics. so just stop it.


with that said, i'd suck a dick before i'd buy a PC. OS X for life.

Who's arguing? I merely stated my personal experience and why I buy Apple products and would more likely recommend one to a friend over a PC. Casey just gets sand in his pussy if anyone praises anything he doesn't like, and turns it into an argument. If you come into an Apple thread and start spewing your fanboy shit against Apple, it shows just how butt-hurt one can be over an OS they have no hand in developing, selling, marketing, etc. As if it were their own child.

Even if statistics were thrown out there, Apple is #1.

Either way, I win.

But it wasn't an argument to begin with.

There should be an entrance requirement into this thread: if you deep throat Steve Balmer, you're not allowed in here. Or if you toss Larry Page's salad, you lose credibility when trying to argue objectively.

Moving on, which we haven't done in days for some of us, the Mavericks Dev Preview is pretty broken. Mail isn't working for my GMail accounts and occasionally I'll lose WiFi connectivity, causing it to search for it again for about 10 seconds, if the load is heavy.

I'm hoping they update this thing in the next month, or I'll have to switch to my Snow Leopard partition to get something good for daily use.

 

[Casey]

No where in my post did I say "statisically." No where in my posts did I give statistics. I said from my experience, Apple products have never given me issues.

And nowhere did I state that you gave statistics. It was a blanket statement.

The point is, if you buy Apple products you know jack shit about computers.

*typing this from my Ubuntu installation for extra geek points

Also can I get a medical opinion from about removing sand from my vagina please?

 

[Pittsey]

Coonie. Number one rule of arguing:

anecdotes don't win against statistics. so just stop it.


with that said, i'd suck a dick before i'd buy a PC. OS X for life.

Any excuse to suck a dick.