Osama bin Laden is dead!
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*CLIMBS ON TOP OF AMERICAN HIGH HORSE*
Masta, you mention "a more educated opinion." You have yet to give me that. Explain it to me like I'm a child: what in Maureen Dowd's article was propaganda? What’s wrong with Americans having a visceral reaction to this? Not to wave the flag in your face, but 9/11 was a really fucked up day. I personally saw the smoke from the towers, and I’ll never forget it. I’ll never stop being really angry about it. Everyone I knew was scared shitless for quite some time afterward. I can hear you now: “Palestinians live in fear every day! God forbid the U.S. would feel that way for once.” A decent argument, and it sounds great, but it doesn’t justify 9/11. If there were ten bombings every day for a year in Saudi Arabia, that wouldn’t justify 9/11. And 9/11 wouldn’t justify the ten bombings. We need to consider these things individually, case by case, all the time. Murder is murder, Masta. Nothing the U.S. has ever done justifies 9/11. You can never justify something like that, in midtown Manhattan or anywhere else.
Even if Bin Laden had legitimate arguments—he didn’t, it was all religion-based gibberish—why do his disagreements with the U.S. government mean he can kill me and people like me? I didn’t station troops in Saudi Arabia. I never gave Israel a weapon or a dime. What exactly was the American public’s crime? Getting on planes? Going to work? Justice was done, and I’ll leave it to more qualified people to sort out international law. Bin Laden had no ideology. Stop giving the guy intellectual credence. He was just a killer. Why do I even have to say this? Bin Laden said it himself, in 1996:
"We will not ask for explanations. We will sing out that there is nothing between us that needs to be explained. There is only killing." -OBL's original fatwa
*DISEMBARKS FROM HIGH HORSE*
Masta, you mention "a more educated opinion." You have yet to give me that. Explain it to me like I'm a child: what in Maureen Dowd's article was propaganda? What’s wrong with Americans having a visceral reaction to this? Not to wave the flag in your face, but 9/11 was a really fucked up day. I personally saw the smoke from the towers, and I’ll never forget it. I’ll never stop being really angry about it. Everyone I knew was scared shitless for quite some time afterward. I can hear you now: “Palestinians live in fear every day! God forbid the U.S. would feel that way for once.” A decent argument, and it sounds great, but it doesn’t justify 9/11. If there were ten bombings every day for a year in Saudi Arabia, that wouldn’t justify 9/11. And 9/11 wouldn’t justify the ten bombings. We need to consider these things individually, case by case, all the time. Murder is murder, Masta. Nothing the U.S. has ever done justifies 9/11. You can never justify something like that, in midtown Manhattan or anywhere else.
Even if Bin Laden had legitimate arguments—he didn’t, it was all religion-based gibberish—why do his disagreements with the U.S. government mean he can kill me and people like me? I didn’t station troops in Saudi Arabia. I never gave Israel a weapon or a dime. What exactly was the American public’s crime? Getting on planes? Going to work? Justice was done, and I’ll leave it to more qualified people to sort out international law. Bin Laden had no ideology. Stop giving the guy intellectual credence. He was just a killer. Why do I even have to say this? Bin Laden said it himself, in 1996:
"We will not ask for explanations. We will sing out that there is nothing between us that needs to be explained. There is only killing." -OBL's original fatwa
*DISEMBARKS FROM HIGH HORSE*
Not aimed at anyone.
It's a question.
In your own country you can't get a feel of how the world is thinking. Although I'd imagine the internet is reducing that. But in North Korea and some middle eastern countries the internet is also policed.
Saying that. Fox and Sky News are owned by the same corporation who have their own reasons for reporting conflicts how they see fit.
Completely agree with most, if not all, what you are saying.
Eh, I see what you're saying and respectfully disagree. Of course I can distance myself from my government's policies. I couldn't even vote until 2004. (Sadly, I wasted that first vote on John Kerry. That big Frankenstein motherfucker will always be my answer to, "who's the first person you ever voted for?" And I have to learn to live with it.) Plus, as you know, American leaders aren't elected by popular vote count.
Well, their argumentation would be something like:
"Look at history and tell me who started all this? Who is sending troops all over the world? Who is killing innocent people day by day, who didnt do anything to america? This is only a reaction to whats been going on for a long time. Infact, its the only chance we have to strike back because we cant do shit against a multi-billion dollar army."
"Look at history and tell me who started all this? Who is sending troops all over the world? Who is killing innocent people day by day, who didnt do anything to america? This is only a reaction to whats been going on for a long time. Infact, its the only chance we have to strike back because we cant do shit against a multi-billion dollar army."
But terrorism is an exercise of tyranny, not a reaction to it. (And I swear to science if anyone brings up the American Revolution we are going to fight. NOT EVERYTHING FITS NEATLY INTO MY NARRATIVE GOD DAMN IT.)
And hey, you got rid of your signature. I liked that one. Either way, we've entered the Age of No Signatures, which is a good thing. (Okay apparently you didn't get rid of it, I was just not logged in or something. Oops.)
Yeah, I'm sitting on SH waiting for responses. So what.
And hey, you got rid of your signature. I liked that one. Either way, we've entered the Age of No Signatures, which is a good thing. (Okay apparently you didn't get rid of it, I was just not logged in or something. Oops.)
Yeah, I'm sitting on SH waiting for responses. So what.
Let's be honest... It's been going on for centuries. That's what is taught. The Christians have been crusading against the Muslim's for centuries. And that is true. The land in the middle east has been exchanging hands many, many times.
But this only really started in it's current guise when Israel was formed.
The British and the Americans have been creating many conflicts in the middle east and in Northern Africa in the last 5 decades. And many times before.
It's just a modern twist on an age old story. I don't have a side to pick on it, because it is too damn complicated. But... When the Terrorists bring the problem to me, that's when I have to feel like anti-terrorist attacks get my support. I don't agree with executing Bin Laden. I believe it would have been more of a win if he had been brought to justice. But I don't feel remorse for him.
But.. As I have said before.... I am not sure he was killed recently, or at all. It just doesn't feel right. Although it is more than plausible that the Pakistani Government were hiding him.
Not 100%. Not even 50%.
But... Who knows what our governments tell us in our own interests.
Maybe he was a CIA operative the whole time. Maybe he is now being waterboarded by George Bush while he spills all his secrets on Al Qaeda.
In all honesty... I don't know. Some think he died a few years ago from Kidney failure. But that could just be what his supporters were putting out there.
If he was hiding in that "fortress"... He is a coward. Not exactly a Che or a Fidel is it.
But then he wasn't fighting to free his people. He was attempting to kill as many innocent "infidels" as possible.
IF Britain was serious about fighting terrorism it should start by looking inward. The immigration policy, and social care in this country enables Terrorists to get paid by the state while working towards their Jihad.
I'm gonna speak Sebastianese for a minute:
Was your question intended as a response to my statement? I do not see how that is possible. These are separate subjects. Germany.
But honestly, I have absolutely no idea what would happen. I can't even speculate about something like that. Do you think if the U.S. pulled its troops from the Muslim world, they'd lay down their arms and make nice?
Was your question intended as a response to my statement? I do not see how that is possible. These are separate subjects. Germany.
But honestly, I have absolutely no idea what would happen. I can't even speculate about something like that. Do you think if the U.S. pulled its troops from the Muslim world, they'd lay down their arms and make nice?
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