World-Class English Football Players

[2Pax]

u r a ManU fan, arent u?

no, i dont think Ferdinand is as good as Terry or even better but if u think so, ok

Yea I am and don't throw the "your biased" statement at me, why do you think Terry is better than Ferdinand? Terry goes forward with the ball more yea, but that isn't his job, he's there to stop attacks and Ferdinand does that better than him.

 

[Sebastian]

Yea I am and don't throw the "your biased" statement at me, why do you think Terry is better than Ferdinand? Terry goes forward with the ball more yea, but that isn't his job, he's there to stop attacks and Ferdinand does that better than him.

how do you know? do you have any statistics?

and its always a plus if a defender goes forwards and maybe even scores...and if i remember correctly Chelsea has the best defense in england..so Terry has to be very good at stopping attacks too.

 

[Taliq]

how do you know? do you have any statistics?

and its always a plus if a defender goes forwards and maybe even scores...and if i remember correctly Chelsea has the best defense in england..so Terry has to be very good at stopping attacks too.

defendin isnt jus about one player tho. the thing chelsea do so well is defend as a unit at the back and they have makalele jus in front of the defense to protect it. id say he has had as much, if not more, of a pivotal role in the strength of chelsea's defense.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

True Makelele helps out alot, also they have the best keeper in the league in Cech, its a close one..Ferdinand is so calm with the ball, and makes other players around him look good like Silvestre and Brown.

 

[2Pax]

how do you know? do you have any statistics?

and its always a plus if a defender goes forwards and maybe even scores...and if i remember correctly Chelsea has the best defense in england..so Terry has to be very good at stopping attacks too.

I don't have any stats, but i've seen Terry make more mistakes than Ferdinand. And yea it is a plus if a defender goes forward, and a plus if a striker comes back to help out, but you don't judge how good a striker is by looking at how much he comes back and helps, you judge them by their scoring record, and defenders are judged at their ability to stop attacks.

Yes, Chelsea have the best defensive record in England but I think this has more to do with Cech than Terry.

 

[Sebastian]

I don't have any stats, but i've seen Terry make more mistakes than Ferdinand. And yea it is a plus if a defender goes forward, and a plus if a striker comes back to help out, but you don't judge how good a striker is by looking at how much he comes back and helps, you judge them by their scoring record, and defenders are judged at their ability to stop attacks.

Yes, Chelsea have the best defensive record in England but I think this has more to do with Cech than Terry.

obviously you follow their games more than i do, so im not 100% sure about all that...but i still think hes the better defender until you show me some stats that prove something different

 

[DutchPac2]

I don't have any stats, but i've seen Terry make more mistakes than Ferdinand. And yea it is a plus if a defender goes forward, and a plus if a striker comes back to help out, but you don't judge how good a striker is by looking at how much he comes back and helps, you judge them by their scoring record, and defenders are judged at their ability to stop attacks.

Yes, Chelsea have the best defensive record in England but I think this has more to do with Cech than Terry.

Agree with you, Cech is one of the best goalies and Manutd had last years serious problems on that position. But i do think defending is just like attacking. The striker is the first defender (totaalvoetbal-----) Rinus Michels RIP), defending starts with the striker he need 2 make sure he's got an eye on the dc of the other like. Just like the other way around. Defenders need 2 have good passing skills. That are the basics of Dutch/ Ajax football, just like playing with 3 fowards (Arjen Robben, Marc Overmars 4 example)
What I wanna say is that I don't think that stoppin an attack is the only job of a good defender and that you can't judge a defender by lookin 2 th goals a team has conceeded. I think Rio and Terry are both topdefenders, but Jaap Stam is definitely better than both of them. It was a dissaster 4 man utd when he left.

Personally I think Lampard, Ashley and Joe Cole, Terry, Ferdinand are great.
Never understood why someone like Vassell played 4 the naional squad. Sven Goran E used 2 much players last years.

 

[Bachaveli]

The England squad doesn't have many players with a bag of tricks, but Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard and Cole score some terrific goals. And if/when Shaun Wright-Philips breaks into the first team, things might change.

only english dude gets respect here is beckham but others they get respect and they good and all but they dont get respect on level as ronaldinio's and ronaldo's get



That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. A racial thing? You can't be telling me there are no world-class white football players? Zinedine Zidane? No heart? If English players have nothing else, they have heart.


Well that's to be expected from a country who aren't as interested in football as the rest of the world. That's probably why the only players who get respect are those who perform step-overs and drag-backs and things of that nature.

im sorry if you was offended by it but i wasnt really sayin there arent no world class white players more like white english players. i mean there are but there arent on same level as Ronaldinio's and them dudes. Rooney is good and everything but you cant complare him with Ronaldinio's and what they do, tribbling and just dancin with the ball.

its wrong to doubt somebody lack of playin and say he has no heart but i didnt exactly wanted to say that. my mistake about the heart thing. i was trippin.

i just wanted to say Rooney and none of them english players arent on same level as Ronaldinio, Ronaldo and others.

 

[Pittsey]

Anyone who doesn't think Rooney is world class knows nothing about football.

England have just as good a team as any other in the world. Brazil are the over rated team. Name me 5 world class Brazilians who play at the moment? I can think of 3 Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Robinho. Any more? Kleberson was their captain and star midfielder. How well has he done at Man Utd?

Wayne Rooney is only 19 years old. He goes past players like they're not there. He took the piss against every team in Euro 2004 and was probably the player of the Tournament. There is only 1 stage bigger than the Euro's. He took the piss out of Turkey, Portugal and in fact pretty much every team he plays. Every team in the world would have him be it National or club football. Anyone remember Ronaldinho at 19? No didn't think so. Only if you watch French league football because he wasn't setting the world on fire back then. Although he is probably the best footballer in the world now.

People like to hate those that are on the top of their game. and the most popular.


England have very few true world class players. But so do most nations. It's just chucked about too easy. I'd say Scotland have 0, Northen Ireland have 0, Eire have 0 and Wales have 1. England have 4 - Gerrard, Beckham, Owen and Rooney. And I'm not going on their current form. I'm going on whether they would get in every club in the world. And they would. Owen should be in that Real team. It's all down to favouritism.


Also Ferdinand is a far better defender than John Terry. He organises and leads. His positional sense is excellent. Plus he can tackle, head and play football. Terry is good but not even in the top 10 worldwide. Rio is in the top 5.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Anyone who doesn't think Rooney is world class knows nothing about football.

England have just as good a team as any other in the world. Brazil are the over rated team. Name me 5 world class Brazilians who play at the moment? I can think of 3 Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Robinho. Any more? Kleberson was their captain and star midfielder. How well has he done at Man Utd?
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1.Ronaldo
2.Ronalidninho
3.Adraino
4.Kaka
5.Robinho

Cafu is still playing exceptionally well, Alex captained the side to the Copa America victory (with their 2nd string)

Luis Fabaino, Deigo are gonna be stars soon enough.

 

[Sebastian]

England have just as good a team as any other in the world. Brazil are the over rated team. Name me 5 world class Brazilians who play at the moment? I can think of 3 Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Robinho. Any more? Kleberson was their captain and star midfielder. How well has he done at Man Utd?

Adriano, Kaka...

England have very few true world class players. But so do most nations. It's just chucked about too easy. I'd say Scotland have 0, Northen Ireland have 0, Eire have 0 and Wales have 1. England have 4 - Gerrard, Beckham, Owen and Rooney. And I'm not going on their current form. I'm going on whether they would get in every club in the world. And they would. Owen should be in that Real team. It's all down to favouritism.

wow, wait a minute..Beckham and Owen do not belong to the "world-class" players!

Also Ferdinand is a far better defender than John Terry. He organises and leads. His positional sense is excellent. Plus he can tackle, head and play football. Terry is good but not even in the top 10 worldwide. Rio is in the top 5.

again..wrong. maybe, just maybe, Ferdinand is as good as Terry...but no way hes far better than Terry...and yes, Terry belongs to the top 10 worldwide.

sry Darren, but u have no clue

 

[Zero Cool]

Anyone who doesn't think Rooney is world class knows nothing about football.

England have just as good a team as any other in the world. Brazil are the over rated team. Name me 5 world class Brazilians who play at the moment? I can think of 3 Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Robinho. Any more? Kleberson was their captain and star midfielder. How well has he done at Man Utd?

Wayne Rooney is only 19 years old. He goes past players like they're not there. He took the piss against every team in Euro 2004 and was probably the player of the Tournament. There is only 1 stage bigger than the Euro's. He took the piss out of Turkey, Portugal and in fact pretty much every team he plays. Every team in the world would have him be it National or club football. Anyone remember Ronaldinho at 19? No didn't think so. Only if you watch French league football because he wasn't setting the world on fire back then. Although he is probably the best footballer in the world now.

People like to hate those that are on the top of their game. and the most popular.


England have very few true world class players. But so do most nations. It's just chucked about too easy. I'd say Scotland have 0, Northen Ireland have 0, Eire have 0 and Wales have 1. England have 4 - Gerrard, Beckham, Owen and Rooney. And I'm not going on their current form. I'm going on whether they would get in every club in the world. And they would. Owen should be in that Real team. It's all down to favouritism.


Also Ferdinand is a far better defender than John Terry. He organises and leads. His positional sense is excellent. Plus he can tackle, head and play football. Terry is good but not even in the top 10 worldwide. Rio is in the top 5.

Roy Keane, Damien Duff, Shay Given etc.?

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Eire have 3 with the players mentioned above. All outstanding, Wales have Giggs, Scotland...moving on N.Ireland...moving on again.

Also Owen is currently the best striker goals by minute in Europe, isn't that World Class?

 

[Zero Cool]

Eire have 3 with the players mentioned above. All outstanding, Wales have Giggs, Scotland...moving on N.Ireland...moving on again.

Also Owen is currently the best striker goals by minute in Europe, isn't that World Class?

Our name is Ireland not Eire

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

lol i was just getting it off of Pittseys post sshh

 

[Zero Cool]

lol i was just getting off of Pittseys post sshh

LOL it's cool. The English have a habit of referring to us as "Eire" which is the Irish name for Ireland, despite the fact hardly anyone here ever uses it. Now back to the topic

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

2Pac, you keep talking about Terry going forward, but beReal never tried to use this as a point.

Pittsey, I don't think Rooney is world class & I do know a lot about football. I'm not saying he won't be, but he's yet to prove himself to me. I don't rate many players - in comparison to most people - world class.

And for Ireland, I'd give Duff the world class stamp. I'm a massive fan of Roy Keane but would be wary to give him my approval right now. Given is a very good keeper, but I wouldn't rate him as world class.

 

[Zero Cool]

2Pac, you keep talking about Terry going forward, but beReal never tried to use this as a point.

Pittsey, I don't think Rooney is world class & I do know a lot about football. I'm not saying he won't be, but he's yet to prove himself to me. I don't rate many players - in comparison to most people - world class.

And for Ireland, I'd give Duff the world class stamp. I'm a massive fan of Roy Keane but would be wary to give him my approval right now. Given is a very good keeper, but I wouldn't rate him as world class.

At his best Keane is definitely in the top 5 midfielders in the world although I agree right now it's debatable as to his "world-class" status. As to Given, there aren't to many better keepers in the world right now. He's up with the best.

 

[alleyezonme12]

wayne rooney is already a top player and the scary thing is hesonly gonna get better, goin to man utd was his best move, they know how to keep young players on the right track

 

[Sebastian]

Pittsey, I don't think Rooney is world class & I do know a lot about football. I'm not saying he won't be, but he's yet to prove himself to me. I don't rate many players - in comparison to most people - world class.

And for Ireland, I'd give Duff the world class stamp. I'm a massive fan of Roy Keane but would be wary to give him my approval right now. Given is a very good keeper, but I wouldn't rate him as world class.

completely agree

Also Owen is currently the best striker goals by minute in Europe, isn't that World Class?

NO! quit that goals per minute thing. for example: a few weeks ago the german striker Benjamin Lauth scored 4 or 5 goals in 4 or 5 matches even though he just played the last 15/25 minutes of every game...but hes far away from being world-class....

world-class = playing constantly (at least one year) on a very high level