Where Are YOU Going When You Die
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Have you gone there for vacation or something? How do you know what heaven or hell will be like? I know why. Because your elders told you. Who told them? Their elders.
These stories have been passed down. The image your have is from Dante's "Inferno" which is this old poem where he bassicly took the idea of suffering and made it into images.
So i'm wondering what the original source of the bible and heaven and hell and god and jesus is. The only other source is from other people, who got it from their elders, who got it from their elders, etc. etc etc...
But how can you put so much trust into this thing? Did God actually come down and give it to you? No, you're trusting your teachers.
My point was that the Bible has changed drastically. They made shit up to get you to behave. They made you think that by being bad you would go to a "hell." I don't mean to knock your belief but i just hate that you take all that so literally and put so much faith in this old, old, book that's been through constant hands and revisions through all these years. If you don't personally agree with the philosophy of life set forth in the bible (in other words, you behave because you don't want to go to hell) then you shouldn't follow it.
And there is no hell. Why would God put us in that position? What is the point? And because people can reform their lives here on earth, then they still have the potential to afterwards.
Peace.
These stories have been passed down. The image your have is from Dante's "Inferno" which is this old poem where he bassicly took the idea of suffering and made it into images.
So i'm wondering what the original source of the bible and heaven and hell and god and jesus is. The only other source is from other people, who got it from their elders, who got it from their elders, etc. etc etc...
But how can you put so much trust into this thing? Did God actually come down and give it to you? No, you're trusting your teachers.
My point was that the Bible has changed drastically. They made shit up to get you to behave. They made you think that by being bad you would go to a "hell." I don't mean to knock your belief but i just hate that you take all that so literally and put so much faith in this old, old, book that's been through constant hands and revisions through all these years. If you don't personally agree with the philosophy of life set forth in the bible (in other words, you behave because you don't want to go to hell) then you shouldn't follow it.
And there is no hell. Why would God put us in that position? What is the point? And because people can reform their lives here on earth, then they still have the potential to afterwards.
Peace.
If God hadn't created sin in the first place, Adam and Eve wouldn't have sinned. Why did God create or allow sin, it's completely counterproductive. If I could build a car that never broke down, I wouldn't build one that could and then complain when it did.
Sloth is a sin. Read my entire post or burn in hell.
Sloth is a sin. Read my entire post or burn in hell.
You and I would not have the gift of free will If God took away sin. Sin is not possible without free will. we'd be no different than programmed robots doing what God commands us to do. If God took away Sin you wouldn't be here asking non-stop stupid questions when you know absolutely nothign about Scripture, Religion, Gods teachings and so on, Its like me sitting here trying to disprove Biology when i've never opened a single book about biology or studied biology to get a better understanding about the subject. how the fuck does that work.
It's like me crying, whinning and bitching at my teacher for failing my biology exam because i never studied for it in the first place, whos to blame here me or my teacher?
How exactly do you know God complains when we sin?
It's like me crying, whinning and bitching at my teacher for failing my biology exam because i never studied for it in the first place, whos to blame here me or my teacher?
How exactly do you know God complains when we sin?
You often quote people, right?
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If you scroll down you are presented with everything that has been said on the last page of the thread - most likely what you will be quoting.
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Let me give you an Islamic perspective on this
Islam is considered as the last of the three monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Islam is meant for the whole of humanity. Muslims see that the earlier religions were not meant for all humanity: Judaism and Christianity were addressed to the Children of Israel alone. The Bible and Torah clearly and explicitly state that Moses and Jesus weren't sent to all mankind but sent to the lost sheep of israel alone.
Judaism is based on the teachings and the laws of Prophet Moses, while Christianity, in its original form, was based on the teachings of Prophet Jesus. All the three religions have their roots in the teachings of Abraham.
According to Islam, in the course of centuries, the teachings of Moses and Jesus became corrupted or misinterpreted, and the true religion had to be restored by another prophet from God. Thus it was that Muhammad was sent to fulfill and perfect the divine guidance. Islam teaches that while the books revealed to other prophets are not available now in their original form, the Qur’an alone remains in its pristine purity. This was because God had promised that He would protect it from corruption, since it is the last divine message to mankind.
Thus, we can say that Islam, as taught by Muhammad, is a continuation and culmination of the religion of God taught by all the prophets of God. Originally, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were the same religion. As time passed, the earlier religions were obscured or distorted, and hence the differences that we see among them today.
No i dont see it as a form of complaint, i see it as a form of judgment. God is perfect, he has no need for us. Our sin don't weaken God, He does not complain when we sin. He did not create us for His own benefit and survival, but for ours. He created us for our advantage, not His.
Islam is considered as the last of the three monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Islam is meant for the whole of humanity. Muslims see that the earlier religions were not meant for all humanity: Judaism and Christianity were addressed to the Children of Israel alone. The Bible and Torah clearly and explicitly state that Moses and Jesus weren't sent to all mankind but sent to the lost sheep of israel alone.
Judaism is based on the teachings and the laws of Prophet Moses, while Christianity, in its original form, was based on the teachings of Prophet Jesus. All the three religions have their roots in the teachings of Abraham.
According to Islam, in the course of centuries, the teachings of Moses and Jesus became corrupted or misinterpreted, and the true religion had to be restored by another prophet from God. Thus it was that Muhammad was sent to fulfill and perfect the divine guidance. Islam teaches that while the books revealed to other prophets are not available now in their original form, the Qur’an alone remains in its pristine purity. This was because God had promised that He would protect it from corruption, since it is the last divine message to mankind.
Thus, we can say that Islam, as taught by Muhammad, is a continuation and culmination of the religion of God taught by all the prophets of God. Originally, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were the same religion. As time passed, the earlier religions were obscured or distorted, and hence the differences that we see among them today.
No i dont see it as a form of complaint, i see it as a form of judgment. God is perfect, he has no need for us. Our sin don't weaken God, He does not complain when we sin. He did not create us for His own benefit and survival, but for ours. He created us for our advantage, not His.
So anyone who doesn't sin is a programmed robot? That would make you a programmed robot, yes? And that would make everyone in Heaven a programmed robot, yes?
What you seem to be saying here is, we're put on earth to split us into two groups; those who use their free will and those who do "what God commands [them to] do". The former burn in hell for all eternity, the latter get rewarded.
If you came along and tried to "disprove" biology, someone who had studied it would come along and provide you with answers. I'm just arguing based on common sense. Provide me with an answer to the questions I'm asking and I'll be happy. Or just admit that you can't.
I don't see the similarity. If your biology teacher could make all his or her students automatically understand biology, wouldn't you want him or her to do that?
Like beReal said, you don't send someone to burn in hell for all eternity if you don't have a problem with their behaviour.
What you seem to be saying here is, we're put on earth to split us into two groups; those who use their free will and those who do "what God commands [them to] do". The former burn in hell for all eternity, the latter get rewarded.
If you came along and tried to "disprove" biology, someone who had studied it would come along and provide you with answers. I'm just arguing based on common sense. Provide me with an answer to the questions I'm asking and I'll be happy. Or just admit that you can't.
I don't see the similarity. If your biology teacher could make all his or her students automatically understand biology, wouldn't you want him or her to do that?
Like beReal said, you don't send someone to burn in hell for all eternity if you don't have a problem with their behaviour.
No, No and No. What part of "Sin is not possible without free will" don't you understand? I've sinned, you've sinned and every other human being that ever lived sinned, so no, im not a programmed robot and neither is anyone, i have free will, robots don't. I dont see where you got the idea that i 'have not sinned' you must know me better than i know myself to be able to tell something like this about someone
No, noone is spliting anyone up here, we all have free will. those who chose to do "what Gods commands them to do (in Scripture)" do it out of free will and those who don't, Choose to do it out of free will as well. God did not possess my body and made me follow Islam, I believe in God and follow his teachings found in the Quran because i want to, not because im a programmed robot.
No, i would not 'come along" and try to disprove something i have no knowledge of whatsoever, I'd save myself the embarrasment and educate myself on the topic before i try to disprove it. you're not arguing based on common sence, you're arguing based on your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Well I do, if my teacher told me to study this or that book/chapter and i will be exammed on the information found in that book/chapter later that week i would study that and if i still failed i would blame myself not my teacher
If a judge sent a murderer to jail is he "complaining" or does the judge "have a problem" sending him to jail? does the judge go home later that night and starts banging his head against the wall feeling guilt for the murderer for sending him to jail? NO. i dont think the judge cares where the murderer went, therefore the judge is not complaining nor does he have a problem with his behaviour. God doesn't need us, we need him, so I dont see why God would complain because we sinned, our sins and behaviour affect us and are for our own good at the end of the day not Gods.
No, noone is spliting anyone up here, we all have free will. those who chose to do "what Gods commands them to do (in Scripture)" do it out of free will and those who don't, Choose to do it out of free will as well. God did not possess my body and made me follow Islam, I believe in God and follow his teachings found in the Quran because i want to, not because im a programmed robot.
No, i would not 'come along" and try to disprove something i have no knowledge of whatsoever, I'd save myself the embarrasment and educate myself on the topic before i try to disprove it. you're not arguing based on common sence, you're arguing based on your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Well I do, if my teacher told me to study this or that book/chapter and i will be exammed on the information found in that book/chapter later that week i would study that and if i still failed i would blame myself not my teacher
If a judge sent a murderer to jail is he "complaining" or does the judge "have a problem" sending him to jail? does the judge go home later that night and starts banging his head against the wall feeling guilt for the murderer for sending him to jail? NO. i dont think the judge cares where the murderer went, therefore the judge is not complaining nor does he have a problem with his behaviour. God doesn't need us, we need him, so I dont see why God would complain because we sinned, our sins and behaviour affect us and are for our own good at the end of the day not Gods.
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