i would rather believe and not find anything there. For more reasons than one, for one the most obvious is if there is in fact something after this life, you are rewarded for believing even in the hardest of times without proof, and for two it provides comfort through the storm.. like eventhough this SUCKS, its all worth it in the end just keep your head up.
What is your idea of the afterlife?
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I believe that you are what you are because of environment. We are given a certain slate, which consists of certain personality potentials and traits and a mind, but anything occuring after is a free for all. We are products of our environment. A child who was raped and abused is not meant to grow up depressed and suicidal. its the environment and sick human beings that changed his/her clean slate.
In cloning experiments they have found that cloned animals have come out with different coats of fur and different eye color.. Eventhoguh they are EXACT clones...this just goes to show you how much influence the womb/and environment has over us.
In cloning experiments they have found that cloned animals have come out with different coats of fur and different eye color.. Eventhoguh they are EXACT clones...this just goes to show you how much influence the womb/and environment has over us.
how about the theory or explanation that all humans are is energey, we are all energy and when we die that energy must go somewhere else, and that's the afterlife in a sense your energy will go on, but the thing that bothers me is that you wouldn't really know you are now energy do you? you wouldn't know that you even died...
The idea of an afterlife is a by-product of the human mind fiending for existance of something far greater than the cold, harsh reality surrounding us every day of our lives. We are nothing more than electrical signals traveling through a body mass filled with salty water. Ever had a blank dream of nothingness, no existance, no reason? That's death.
- This is just one of my many views on after life and death. I've got plenty more, but the fact that I am out of my opiates right now, and I'm hurting, caused me to describe the most horrific end to human life. No reason, no purpose, no God.
Now If I was for instance under the influence of some good chemicals, I would have described heaven differently. See the duality of man? Heaven is whatever you make it to be.
- This is just one of my many views on after life and death. I've got plenty more, but the fact that I am out of my opiates right now, and I'm hurting, caused me to describe the most horrific end to human life. No reason, no purpose, no God.
Now If I was for instance under the influence of some good chemicals, I would have described heaven differently. See the duality of man? Heaven is whatever you make it to be.
I've been kinda obsessed with death recently and what it's like and I'm pretty sure I know what's gonna happen but it's very difficult to grasp and accept. I'm not pushing what I believe onto anybody, you can believe what you want but here's what I believe:
I'm convinced that when you die there's nothing, it's difficult to imagine what that's like cuz it's not a feeling or something we know but try to imagine what was there for you before you were born....that's what death is.
We are just a collection of senses, when all senses are lost we will experience nothing. We try to make ourselves feel greater than we are by believing that we have souls or we will all go to paradise after death cuz this reality of death is scary.
One way I try to conceive it; ever see those very cool Sony robots from Japan? They are a system of sensors and memory which can learn just like we can, they have a "conscience" and awareness and everything around them, what happens to that robot when you turn it off? What does it experience? Apply the same thinking to us and consider what would happen when all your senses are turned off. Nothing, not even nothing.
For me I had a hard time coming to terms with it but in reality it doesn't matter cuz there's nothing I can do to stop it ever happening and I will 'experience' it one day, only I won't even know it but I finally understand the expression to be at "peace". All I hope for is to know that I'm gonna die so I can get some closure, I don't want to die instantly in a car crash that I didn't see coming so like one minute I'm talking to someone unaware of what's coming and the next second I'm dead.
I hope that somebody can see where I'm coming from?
Peace.
I'm convinced that when you die there's nothing, it's difficult to imagine what that's like cuz it's not a feeling or something we know but try to imagine what was there for you before you were born....that's what death is.
We are just a collection of senses, when all senses are lost we will experience nothing. We try to make ourselves feel greater than we are by believing that we have souls or we will all go to paradise after death cuz this reality of death is scary.
One way I try to conceive it; ever see those very cool Sony robots from Japan? They are a system of sensors and memory which can learn just like we can, they have a "conscience" and awareness and everything around them, what happens to that robot when you turn it off? What does it experience? Apply the same thinking to us and consider what would happen when all your senses are turned off. Nothing, not even nothing.
For me I had a hard time coming to terms with it but in reality it doesn't matter cuz there's nothing I can do to stop it ever happening and I will 'experience' it one day, only I won't even know it but I finally understand the expression to be at "peace". All I hope for is to know that I'm gonna die so I can get some closure, I don't want to die instantly in a car crash that I didn't see coming so like one minute I'm talking to someone unaware of what's coming and the next second I'm dead.
I hope that somebody can see where I'm coming from?
Peace.
Well, in that case, such a person wouldn't find out anything then.
But what if there is something after life, but it's just not good? Not necessarily hell, but just a natural after-effect of having been a life-energy. This life-energy, or mind, if you like, might linger in some coherent form outside the body. Wouldn't that suck? You've been ripped from your life and everyone you know, you can't contact anyone, and you're doomed to wander around with no "life" really, for who knows how long. Not necessarily on earth, maybe in space. Might be what all the mysterious dark matter is, souls. You'd go insane from no physical contact, not to mention the psychological situation.
But what if there is something after life, but it's just not good? Not necessarily hell, but just a natural after-effect of having been a life-energy. This life-energy, or mind, if you like, might linger in some coherent form outside the body. Wouldn't that suck? You've been ripped from your life and everyone you know, you can't contact anyone, and you're doomed to wander around with no "life" really, for who knows how long. Not necessarily on earth, maybe in space. Might be what all the mysterious dark matter is, souls. You'd go insane from no physical contact, not to mention the psychological situation.
It would probably be true to say that there's an impressive amount of evidence for "survival," none of it watertight, yet convincing through sheer bulk. Yet I basically have a sense of the irrelevance of "survival." Human existence has a dreamlike quality anyway. Death is simply the final absurdity.
There's a feeling that many people--perhaps all--contain a seed of destiny, of meaning, when they are born, and that their lives are an attempt to allow this meaning to emerge. A picture of Einstein at twelve suggests that the Theory of Relativity is already inside him waiting to get out. Even I feel that I have spent my life persuading something to emerge. The notion of life after death seems meaningless except as a continuation of that purpose.
I never cease to feel that human existence is like crawling through a very low tunnel, with hardly any freedom of movement. Sometimes, when we suddenly become aware of how little freedom we possess, we experience a panic that springs from a terrible claustrophobia. The ultimate fulfilment we can envisage is to emerge into the daylight. If this is what is meant by life after death, then it's certainly to be welcomed; but I find nothing about it in cases reported to the Society for Psychic Research.
There's a feeling that many people--perhaps all--contain a seed of destiny, of meaning, when they are born, and that their lives are an attempt to allow this meaning to emerge. A picture of Einstein at twelve suggests that the Theory of Relativity is already inside him waiting to get out. Even I feel that I have spent my life persuading something to emerge. The notion of life after death seems meaningless except as a continuation of that purpose.
I never cease to feel that human existence is like crawling through a very low tunnel, with hardly any freedom of movement. Sometimes, when we suddenly become aware of how little freedom we possess, we experience a panic that springs from a terrible claustrophobia. The ultimate fulfilment we can envisage is to emerge into the daylight. If this is what is meant by life after death, then it's certainly to be welcomed; but I find nothing about it in cases reported to the Society for Psychic Research.
Basically, we are nothing but decaying tissue.
But humans have such a desperate need to believe in something greater than themselves - that they have a purpose, that they are special. Humans want this so bad they alienate one another by creating different religions where their 'God' picked them. In the end, we're just the same as the rest of the animals on this planet.
It isn't as grim as all that though. Personally, I see our 'purpose' as our children and, to a lesser extent, each other. What makes us 'special' is how we conduct ourselves in everyday life. Principles, morales, friendship, love and family all stand together worlwide without the need for an afterlife. It is only the need to believe that makes us often associate these things with religion.
Anyways we all believe in something. Some say they're nihilistic when really they just believe in not believing, while a lot of people just believe in believing.
I myself believe in death without an afterlife - that Heaven & Hell is a superstitious concept made to try to keep people in line.
And really, a God who loves all and forgives all, slams the door in your face?!! WTF is that all about? It's about getting you to join 'their' group, give 'them money' and praising the Lord for every Jew at Auschwitz and for every baby born HIV positive.
Death is resting in eternal peace, without God, without hate, without divisions.
Nothingness.
But humans have such a desperate need to believe in something greater than themselves - that they have a purpose, that they are special. Humans want this so bad they alienate one another by creating different religions where their 'God' picked them. In the end, we're just the same as the rest of the animals on this planet.
It isn't as grim as all that though. Personally, I see our 'purpose' as our children and, to a lesser extent, each other. What makes us 'special' is how we conduct ourselves in everyday life. Principles, morales, friendship, love and family all stand together worlwide without the need for an afterlife. It is only the need to believe that makes us often associate these things with religion.
Anyways we all believe in something. Some say they're nihilistic when really they just believe in not believing, while a lot of people just believe in believing.
I myself believe in death without an afterlife - that Heaven & Hell is a superstitious concept made to try to keep people in line.
And really, a God who loves all and forgives all, slams the door in your face?!! WTF is that all about? It's about getting you to join 'their' group, give 'them money' and praising the Lord for every Jew at Auschwitz and for every baby born HIV positive.
Death is resting in eternal peace, without God, without hate, without divisions.
Nothingness.
See but what youre doing is putting human action in line with a higher power. While a baby being born with HIV is tragic, it was a shitty example because that baby was born out of human action. namely a mother or a father who have a disease not having enough respect for human life to refrain from having sex and a child knowing they will pass on that disease. Jews dying at Aushwitz is tragic but sometimes I think that we need to draw the line, because on one hand your arguing how can Gd allow such a thing, but in doing so your taking away from mans own abilities and mental capacities. In essence, this "how can it be allowed to happen" question is saying that man is somehow not responsible for his own actions, which ultimately is a blatant contradiction because you dont believe in a higher power.
HUmans slaughtered 6 million jews in ovens. Adolf Hitler slaughtered a population of people...and for this reason alone..i pray there is an afterlife because for my life to end in the same way that Hitlers life ended is a slap in the face to every honest caring life form this planet has ever seen.
HUmans slaughtered 6 million jews in ovens. Adolf Hitler slaughtered a population of people...and for this reason alone..i pray there is an afterlife because for my life to end in the same way that Hitlers life ended is a slap in the face to every honest caring life form this planet has ever seen.
I am saying IF there is a God then how does this happen.
As I don't believe in a higher power, I see that man is responsible for what man does, but those who believe in a higher power often believe that that power is in control of everything or, at least, Judgement Day, the Rapture and whatnot, so if 'it' has so much power how come such shitty things happen?
As I don't believe in a higher power, I see that man is responsible for what man does, but those who believe in a higher power often believe that that power is in control of everything or, at least, Judgement Day, the Rapture and whatnot, so if 'it' has so much power how come such shitty things happen?
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