WCW-World Championship Wrestling
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For the person saying that Bischoff bringing in old stars as a reason that helped demolish WCW is unreasonable. WCW reached its height because of the older generation superstars. Because WCW had familiar faces in storylines never seen, ratings jumped up.
What I do agree with is that while the older stars were at the top of the card, the younger talent could've been coming up a bit more.
What I do agree with is that while the older stars were at the top of the card, the younger talent could've been coming up a bit more.
You seem to believe that hogging up the microphone is like the only way to gain notice. Wrestling ability was what made you stand out in WCW. DDP, Booker T, and Benoit are just some of the stars that stood out because of how they wrestled in the ring. Guys like Disco Inferno and VK Wallstreet weren't pushed because they couldn't wrestle that well and or wasn't outstanding. In other words, the fans seemed to give the wrestlers a push.
WCW never really pushed their stars by having them stand in the ring to talk and cut promos. WCW wrestlers were pushed by their wrestling ability and therefore gained respect from the fans which made them get spotlight. Had Chris Benoit not bust his a** and proved his wrestling ability, WCW would not have put the title on him. Rey Mysterio was another wrestler that was sort of pushed indirectly because of his wrestling ability.
WCW's strategy with pushing their young stars was a creepy/sneaky/quiet thing. The only superstar who got a major in your face type of push was- yes GOLDBERG. In other words WCW had an indirect way of bringing up their other young stars. Had Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, and Saturn hadn't left WCW, they could've been the future of that company and the company still could've been up. If things had gone right with the powers in WCW I guarantee by now that they'd have new talent at the top.
WCW never really pushed their stars by having them stand in the ring to talk and cut promos. WCW wrestlers were pushed by their wrestling ability and therefore gained respect from the fans which made them get spotlight. Had Chris Benoit not bust his a** and proved his wrestling ability, WCW would not have put the title on him. Rey Mysterio was another wrestler that was sort of pushed indirectly because of his wrestling ability.
WCW's strategy with pushing their young stars was a creepy/sneaky/quiet thing. The only superstar who got a major in your face type of push was- yes GOLDBERG. In other words WCW had an indirect way of bringing up their other young stars. Had Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, and Saturn hadn't left WCW, they could've been the future of that company and the company still could've been up. If things had gone right with the powers in WCW I guarantee by now that they'd have new talent at the top.
The fans got behind their favourite wrestlers, many of whom were very talented, but the Powers That Be never responded to it. They never saw how much the crowd enjoyed Benoit and Guerrero and Jericho and gave them the push they deserved. The fact that you had overpaid guys with big egos at the top of the card who were afraid of change and didn't want to see these guys take their spot meant that those who deserved pushes never got them.
You can have all the fan support in the world, you can wrestle five star classics every night, but if you're doing it on the undercard you're not gonna be happy. That's why Jericho, Benoit and Guerrero left for WWE.
Sure, WCW let their talented wrestlers do their thing in the ring - as long as it was on the undercard. They didn't put them into meaningful programs with the big names. It's not a "push" if you make a guy curtain jerk a show, regardless of how good the match is.
And what a title reign that was! They shoved the belt on him in a desperate (and futile) attempt to stop him going to WWE.
That "indirect" way of bringing them up clearly didn't work, since the main event scene was dominated by washed up stars.
They could have, if they hadn't been held down by the egos in control of booking. The fact is, under the reign of Bischoff, they DIDN'T get pushed and they WEREN'T "at the top".
Look at the WCW World Title from '99 onwards. With the exception of Benoit's less-than-24-hour reign, the belt was traded back and forth between the likes of Hogan, Savage, Nash, Sting, Flair, Hart and DDP. None of those are "young stars". It was only when WCW was circling the drain that they tried out Jarrett and Booker as champions,
You can have all the fan support in the world, you can wrestle five star classics every night, but if you're doing it on the undercard you're not gonna be happy. That's why Jericho, Benoit and Guerrero left for WWE.
Sure, WCW let their talented wrestlers do their thing in the ring - as long as it was on the undercard. They didn't put them into meaningful programs with the big names. It's not a "push" if you make a guy curtain jerk a show, regardless of how good the match is.
And what a title reign that was! They shoved the belt on him in a desperate (and futile) attempt to stop him going to WWE.
That "indirect" way of bringing them up clearly didn't work, since the main event scene was dominated by washed up stars.
They could have, if they hadn't been held down by the egos in control of booking. The fact is, under the reign of Bischoff, they DIDN'T get pushed and they WEREN'T "at the top".
Look at the WCW World Title from '99 onwards. With the exception of Benoit's less-than-24-hour reign, the belt was traded back and forth between the likes of Hogan, Savage, Nash, Sting, Flair, Hart and DDP. None of those are "young stars". It was only when WCW was circling the drain that they tried out Jarrett and Booker as champions,
exactly why wwf was getting better ratings. this attracted a bunch of people to watch it for this very reason alone,not for the wrestling itself.
people tune in these days to wwe to see the actual story and see where it goes. the soap opera part is the main factor in the show,the wrestling part is only secondary.
people tune in these days to wwe to see the actual story and see where it goes. the soap opera part is the main factor in the show,the wrestling part is only secondary.
But people seem to overlook that the storyline aspect of wrestle is the reason they tune in every week, regardless of whether they're a Stone Cold fan or a Chris Benoit fan. Two guys in a ring wrestling is all well and good, but when there's a REASON behind it, that's when it becomes genuinely interesting. It's the same with other sports. It's always more fun to watch a football match between two teams who have an intense rivalry.
And to say WCW was more about the wrestling than the storylines is nonsense. The reason they overtook WWF in the ratings was because of the nWo storyline, and for most of its WCW tenure the nWo didn't have any decent wrestlers.
And to say WCW was more about the wrestling than the storylines is nonsense. The reason they overtook WWF in the ratings was because of the nWo storyline, and for most of its WCW tenure the nWo didn't have any decent wrestlers.
You've got to be kidding me. WCW nitro was in the lead before the nWo storyline. They were the number 1 show on primetime Mondays since 95 somewhere and when the nWo angle came in the ratings skyrocketted even more. You talk about nWo not having decent wrestlers, but WWE wrestlers didn't do anything amazing in ring at that time. Look at the talent the WWE had back then: Goldust, Roaddog, The Godwinns who carried slob, Val Venis, Gangrel, and a whole bunch of other no good talents. WWE didn't started getting the edge until 99, but before then there undercard sucked.
Nitro debuted in September '95. It wasn't until '96 when the nWo angle started that WCW started convincingly beating RAW in the ratings week in week out (for 84 weeks).
True, but WCW also had Jim Duggan, The Nasty Boys, Meng, The Barbarian, Big Bubba Rogers and other awful, talentless characters.
And look at the main event scene: Hogan, Nash, Hall, Luger and Savage vs. Michaels, Austin, Hart, Undertaker and Mankind.
But you're right, WWF was at a low point during those years. My point was simply that WCW didn't get on top because of their talented undercard, they got on top because of their big name, ex-WWF stars and the nWo storyline.
Oh cool, did you wrestle against Low'ki? His kicks look STIFF as hell.
True, but WCW also had Jim Duggan, The Nasty Boys, Meng, The Barbarian, Big Bubba Rogers and other awful, talentless characters.
And look at the main event scene: Hogan, Nash, Hall, Luger and Savage vs. Michaels, Austin, Hart, Undertaker and Mankind.
But you're right, WWF was at a low point during those years. My point was simply that WCW didn't get on top because of their talented undercard, they got on top because of their big name, ex-WWF stars and the nWo storyline.
Oh cool, did you wrestle against Low'ki? His kicks look STIFF as hell.
i think nitro was good but held all there real talent back to let the old timers shine the guys who did deserve the heavy wheat belt didn’t get the chance to wcw had all the money and no brains at the end bishoff was spending more money then they were making that's why he sold the company for 2 mill with the video libery he had Scott hall not wrestling but paying him close to 40 grand a week (i think might be off) for the guy to travail cross country in a rv with hiss family cause he was a drunk / coke addict most of the people in wrestling is drunks or drug addicts he did was try to snatch up all the talent so wwf had none and did nothing what them kept them on the side line and let all the old timers have the spot light that's why they shut down he was spending like a few mill a week on pay role alone and no one went to the shows that's why they let people go in for free so it looked packed on TV.
and no i don’t think i did wrestle Loki but i did have sparing matches with im at the gym when we went to train its been like 2/3 years scince my last pro match
and no i don’t think i did wrestle Loki but i did have sparing matches with im at the gym when we went to train its been like 2/3 years scince my last pro match
Notice that all the characters you named as bad WCW characters were all WWF's ideas for gimmicks. WCW wasn't really about gimmicks like the WWE/F, but WWE which is or was suppose to be entertaining wasn' and still isn't entertaining with plenty of their gimmicks and shows. WWF created their own watered down version of ECW and called it the attitude era before things started to kick off for RAW. Other than that they are just as bad as you see WCW.
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