Pope's support for Islam

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TecK NeeX

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I dont see how thats a good point when Muslims reacted violently to only 2 incidents as far as I can remember, the Cartoons and this. Muslims/Islam are being criticised on a daily bases so, No, The Islamic world are not reacting violently everytime someone criticizes them. But i do agree that reacting in that kind of matter is not the proper way to go about it.
 

Glockmatic

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There were riots and deaths for the desecration of the quran at guantanamo. The Pope's speech was about condeming violence, then some muslims respond with burning churches. Monty Python couldn't have written a better script
 

TecK NeeX

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Glockmatic said:
There were riots and deaths for the desecration of the quran at guantanamo. The Pope's speech was about condeming violence, then some muslims respond with burning churches. Monty Python couldn't have written a better script
Being a "Moderate" Muslim, I wouldn't just label the desecration and the flushing of the Qur'an down the toilets a criticizim, It's an obvious attack on the religion done to the faces of Muslim prisoners as well. Whatever the pope's intentions were good or bad, he shouldn't have said what he said, Period. He realizes this and now admits and sees that what he said could offend Muslims. But falls short of an apology. Booo hoooo


He wants to make a speech condemning violence he shouldn't have made one that begets violence. This is much bigger than what it seems to you. He's the leader of a population of 1 billion people, saying something as unneccissary as this to that kind of audiance when it could easily be misunderstood by many as a "be careful of those Muslims who are taught nothing but evil." This is a hate seed being planted in the minds of millions.
 

Shahin

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TecK NeeX said:
Being a "Moderate" Muslim, I wouldn't just label the desecration and the flushing of the Qur'an down the toilets a criticizim, It's an obvious attack on the religion done to the faces of Muslim prisoners as well. Whatever the pope's intentions were good or bad, he shouldn't have said what he said, Period. He realizes this and now admits and sees that what he said could offend Muslims. But falls short of an apology. Booo hoooo


He wants to make a speech condemning violence he shouldn't have made one that begets violence. This is much bigger than what it seems to you. He's the leader of a population of 1 billion people, saying something as unneccissary as this to that kind of audiance when it could easily be misunderstood by many as a "be careful of those Muslims who are taught nothing but evil." This is a hate seed being planted in the minds of millions.
Look I agree with you that Islam has to put up with a lot of shit, but the best thing the Islamic world can do is react maturely and condemn the pope (or whoever, depending on the incident). The violent reactions are harming nobody but muslims.
 
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Shahin said:
Look I agree with you that Islam has to put up with a lot of shit, but the best thing the Islamic world can do is react maturely and condemn the pope (or whoever, depending on the incident). The violent reactions are harming nobody but muslims.
Yeah, I bet you looked that up
 

TecK NeeX

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Shahin said:
Look I agree with you that Islam has to put up with a lot of shit, but the best thing the Islamic world can do is react maturely and condemn the pope (or whoever, depending on the incident). The violent reactions are harming nobody but muslims.

I don't disagree with that. Most of them did react peacefully and maturely or didnt react at all. Being the big religion that it is, Its impossible to expect the whole population to react that way. Dont act surprised to see a few of them being idiots, Only proving what the pope said was true.
 

Glockmatic

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TecK NeeX said:
Being a "Moderate" Muslim, I wouldn't just label the desecration and the flushing of the Qur'an down the toilets a criticizim, It's an obvious attack on the religion done to the faces of Muslim prisoners as well. Whatever the pope's intentions were good or bad, he shouldn't have said what he said, Period. He realizes this and now admits and sees that what he said could offend Muslims. But falls short of an apology. Booo hoooo
The quran was never flushed down the toilet, it was reported by Newsweek but they later retracted it. The murder of 15 people is a greater attack on islam than a fake story.

He wants to make a speech condemning violence he shouldn't have made one that begets violence. This is much bigger than what it seems to you. He's the leader of a population of 1 billion people, saying something as unneccissary as this to that kind of audiance when it could easily be misunderstood by many as a "be careful of those Muslims who are taught nothing but evil." This is a hate seed being planted in the minds of millions.
I guess he was expecting people who followed a religion of peace to be peaceful.
 
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how can u flush a book down the toilet anyway?

anyways

the muslims do put up with alot of shit and theyve been putting up with it since the birth of their religion and i applaud them for staying strong but i dont think its rite to bomb churches. i think they cud have rallys or sumpin like that but they have to realize bombing churches and things like that does nothing. i believe in revenge as so does alot of other ppl but that isnt revenge that is sick. i do however dont mind wen they bomb army bases during a war, which sum of u mite call terrorism but all i say is thats war.
 

Jokerman

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TecK NeeX said:
This is much bigger than what it seems to you. He's the leader of a population of 1 billion people, saying something as unneccissary as this to that kind of audiance when it could easily be misunderstood by many as a "be careful of those Muslims who are taught nothing but evil." This is a hate seed being planted in the minds of millions.
You think those people haven't already thought along similar lines for a while now?
 

TecK NeeX

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Glockmatic said:
The quran was never flushed down the toilet, it was reported by Newsweek but they later retracted it. The murder of 15 people is a greater attack on islam than a fake story.
Great, I killed a person, than the brother of that person goes and kills me only to find out I wasn't that guy that killed him after all. Great way of thinking Glock :thumb:


I guess he was expecting people who followed a religion of peace to be peaceful.
And I guess he was expecting the people of this religion to sit tight and welcome his remarks right?

You think those people haven't already thought along similar lines for a while now?
Have you herd of the expression "Adding fuel to the fire"? I'm sure you have. And when its coming from a high figure such as the Pope his followers tend to take his words seriously.
 

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An Italian nun was shot and killed in Somalia. That's showing the Pope.
Thats Sad. If I was there I'd beat the shit of this person myself. Islam/Muslims are not immune to being dumb fucks. Remember that.
 

Glockmatic

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TecK NeeX said:
Great, I killed a person, than the brother of that person goes and kills me only to find out I wasn't that guy that killed him after all. Great way of thinking Glock :thumb:
What? That wasn't even what i said. I said that 15 innocent people being murdered is more damaging to islam than a quran being put into a toilet.

And I guess he was expecting the people of this religion to sit tight and welcome his remarks right?
Or condemn the remarks, not burn churches, kill 80 year old nuns and threatening to murder the pope.
 

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Glockmatic said:
What? That wasn't even what i said. I said that 15 innocent people being murdered is more damaging to islam than a quran being put into a toilet.
Not surprising you didnt understand what I meant by that analogy. You said the story 'turned' out to be a fake as if that makes it alright. Newsweek "retracted' it after the damage was done. Yeah Great. Fake or not, it's irrelevant.



Or condemn the remarks, not burn churches, kill 80 year old nuns and threatening to murder the pope.

Can you not comprehend whats going around you? "or condemn" the remarks as if the whole population acted in violence. The majority did, the few didnt and resorted to violence, You point them out but you didnt even give a mention to the majority that just "demanded" an apology from the pope.
 

Glockmatic

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Not surprising you didnt understand what I meant by that analogy. You said the story 'turned' out to be a fake as if that makes it alright. Newsweek "retracted' it after the damage was done. Yeah Great. Fake or not, it's irrelevant.
Teck being confusing? No wayyyyy

Can you not comprehend whats going around you? "or condemn" the remarks as if the whole population acted in violence. The majority did, the few didnt and resorted to violence, You point them out but you didnt even give a mention to the majority that just "demanded" an apology from the pope.
Where did i say the whole muslim population was rioting in violence? And the whole point of the Popes speech was focused on the violent individuals in islam, they proved that what was written 600 years ago is still true.
 

Kareem

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Glockmatic said:
Teck being confusing? No wayyyyy



Where did i say the whole muslim population was rioting in violence? And the whole point of the Popes speech was focused on the violent individuals in islam, they proved that what was written 600 years ago is still true.

600 years ago muslims werent the ones slaughering everyone who wasnt christian, the crusaders killed, muslims, jews an fellow christians alike if any religon (sp) was ran by the sword or spread by the sword, christainity has definately took the crown. Im not here to bash anyones beliefs but no ones seems to give a rats ass about ours. Simply said christanity is in no way innocent when it comes to bloodshed an the murrder of innocent people from the time of the crusades too the burning of women at the stake cause they could float when thrown in water, nuff said on that issue. The pope issued a formal apology, imo that was the honorable thing too do.
 
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