Israel appeared to have struck the site (U.N. observer post) deliberately.

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Here's a detailed timeline of the Shebaa Farms:

In the 1923 Anglo-French Demarcation Agreement, which set the borders between the British and French mandates in Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon, the area was included in Syria.

Documents from the 1920s and 1930s indicate that some local inhabitants regarded themselves as part of Lebanon, for example paying taxes to the Lebanese government, but that French officials often expressed confusion on the actual location of the border. One French official in 1939 expressed the belief that the uncertainty was sure to cause trouble in the future.

The region continued to be demarcated in the 1930s and 1940s as Syrian territory, under the French mandate. Detailed maps showing the border were produced by the French in 1933, and again in 1945. They clearly showed the region to be in Syria.

Following France's exit from the region, the land was administered by Syria, and represented as such in all historical maps of the time. But a commission responsible for demarcating the border in the decades after the French mandate ended in 1946 did not act decisively to delimit or demarcate this area.

The maps of the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Syria and Israel designated the area as Syrian.

In 1964 the joint Lebanese-Syrian border committee suggested to their governments that the Shebaa Farms area be deemed the property of Lebanon, and recommended that the international border be reestablished consistent with its suggestion. However, its suggestion was not adopted by Syria or Lebanon, and the countries did not take any actions along the suggested lines. Thus, the maps of the area continued to reflect the Farms as being in Syria. Even maps of both the Syrian and Lebanese armies continued to demarcate the region within Syrian territory. A Lebanese military map, published in 1966, showing the Shebaa Farms as being on the Syrian side of the border.

A number of local residents regarded themselves as Lebanese, however. The Lebanese government showed little interest in their views. The Syrian government administered the region, and on the eve of the 1967 war, the region was under effective Syrian control.
So when did Lebanon finally deem the Farms to be Lebanese?

In 2000, in what appears to be the Lebanese government's first claim to the territory, Lebanon disputed Israel's compliance with UN Resolution 425 (1978). Lebanon claimed that the Shebaa Farms area was actually Lebanese, and that the Israelis should therefore withdraw from there as well. Lebanon asserted that the UN certification of the Israeli withdrawal was "invalid," because of Lebanon's claim to the Farms.

The new Lebanese claim to this area is one reason now asserted for Hezbollah's continuing conflict with Israel, and cross-border attacks. However, Hezbollah's spokesperson Hassan Ezzedin had this to say about the Farms: "If they go from Sheba'a, we will not stop fighting them. Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine...[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from.”
 

Glockmatic

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Me and my people? Canadians or chinese?

edit: Also, we're not in the 1900s anymore, something that happens half-way across the world affects what happens to us here.
 
Morris said:
Hezbollah fired 40 rockets from Qana, wounding Israeli civilians. So tell Hezbollah to stop firing dozens of rockets and proceeding to hide behind children and women. Their deaths are Hezbollah's fault.
I guess Hezbollah was also firing from the UN Posts, and the milk factories...utter ignorance.
 
Morris said:
Utter ignorance?

You didn't answer me with your quote, first of all, I would like to state to everyone debating with this guy, that he is hired and part of the cyber-army Israel has

What I'm referring to is this :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2289232,00.html

Some quotes for people who don't want to read it all.

In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.

Jonny Cline, of the international student group, said that Jewish students and youth groups with their understanding of the web environment were ideally placed to present another side to the debate.

We’re saying to these people that if Israel is being bashed, don’t ignore it, change it,” Mr Cline said. “A poll like CNN’s takes just a few seconds to vote in, but if thousands take part the outcome will be changed. What’s vital is that the international face of the conflict is balanced.”

Doron Barkat, 29, in Jerusalem, spends long nights trawling the web to try to swing the debate Israel’s way. “When I see internet polls for or against Israel I send out a mailing list to vote for Israel,” he said. “It can be that after 15 minutes there will be 400 votes for Israel.

The simple fact that the government admits this means that Israel is obviously losing in the eyes of the average person, for someone to use such a pathetic way to defend themselves, wow.

And people, don't think this can happen, almost 7 people i know from another forum all got banned from the admin, all got tracked to the same ISP, and all of them were debating the same thing.

Now that we handled that, let's move on.

First of all like I said, you didn't answer me, why did Israel fire at the UN posts especially when UN called 11times, and BEGGED the Israeli people to stay away from the post, of course that didn't happen, also, I guess Hezbollah soldiers were in the milk factories, and let's not forget the Light-House they bombed today.

Secondly, I would like to state, you don't even have the mental capacity to begin to initiate a debate with myself, as for you're obviously biased and you are hired after all, that eliminates a chance of a fair debate surely.

Thirdly, Israelis are calling Hezbollah liars because they are saying only 100 died, let's pretend it's what the government if Israel said, and that 450 died, do you not fathom the fact, that if 450died, that means 550 civilians are dead since the total is 1000.

Morris, refer to your bosses to find an antiqued answer to that puzzling question, I'm sure you'll find something like "Hey they were all hiding under the UN-Post.

Now, I would be glad to dedicate all my time online to counter and shutoff every debate you throw at me.
 
A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.

Only up until 1992, nothing about what happened from 1992 till 2006, no mentions of the slaughtering of the family on the beach, taking pictures next to murdered palis and smiling, goes on and on.
 

TecK NeeX

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† $ta$h † said:
You didn't answer me with your quote, first of all, I would like to state to everyone debating with this guy, that he is hired and part of the cyber-army Israel has

What I'm referring to is this :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2289232,00.html.
LoL Morris has been exposed

Morris you are doing an exceptional job man, you deserve a raise or a promotion

U.N. peacekeepers at a post near Houla reported Hezbollah fired rockets toward Israel twice Monday from positions near the UNIFIL base.
Did the possibility that the militants that fired those 2 rockets never noticed that they were near the UNIFIl base ever cross your mind? could that be the reason why they only fired 2 rockets from near the base? Plus lebanon is a very small country especialy the narrow south, it could have easily been a coincidence that a couple of rockets were fired from that area.
 
I find it entertaining that someone argues that I'm being paid to post 7,000 times over a 5 year span on Tupacboard, including thousands in the Life forum and a stint as moderator on the Death forum.

First of all like I said, you didn't answer me, why did Israel fire at the UN posts especially when UN called 11times, and BEGGED the Israeli people to stay away from the post, of course that didn't happen,
Hezbollah continued to use the UN post to fire. This was detailed explicitly by one of the 4 observers killed. If you would have read this thread you would have seen the quotes already.

It turns out that one of the four UN observers killed in the strike, a Canadian officer, had e-mailed a former commander to report that Hezbollah terrorists swarmed the site several days before he died. Israel's response, the officer said, "has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

As the observer's former commander, retired Maj. Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp., "What he was telling us was Hezbollah fighters were all over his position and the [Israelis] were targeting them, and that's a favorite trick by people who don't have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they cannot be punished for it."
Secondly, I would like to state, you don't even have the mental capacity to begin to initiate a debate with myself, as for you're obviously biased and you are hired after all, that eliminates a chance of a fair debate surely.
I can't even make sense of this. Chalk it up to my diminished mental capacity. Seriously though, next time you're challenging someone's intelligence, make sure your sentence is grammatically sound.

also, I guess Hezbollah soldiers were in the milk factories, and let's not forget the Light-House they bombed today.
They hit the top of the light house today to cut out television feed from Al-Manar. Israel has been cutting all forms of communication in the south, for rather obvious reasons.

Thirdly, Israelis are calling Hezbollah liars because they are saying only 100 died, let's pretend it's what the government if Israel said, and that 450 died, do you not fathom the fact, that if 450died, that means 550 civilians are dead since the total is 1000.
And? There'd be hundreds less dead if Hezbollah wasn't using human shields and intentionally causing civilian casualties. By law they're responsible for the civilian dead on both sides of this war, and it's their #1 war aim so that accumulated casualties forces the international community to impose a ceasefire on Israel.

Did the possibility that the militants that fired those 2 rockets never noticed that they were near the UNIFIl base ever cross your mind?
Hezbollah has been using UN positions intentionally for years. The fact that it's happened multiple times in the last 3 weeks likely is not a coincidence.
 
Khaled said:
Its really amazing how people use technicalities to justify the destruction of a whole country, but completely ignore all the facts (like that the US and Israel killed more civillians than all arab "terrorists" combineds). But just as Morris said, the numbers are irrelevant

1/2 of the country is destroyed.... they say the destruction in iraq doesnt even compare to whats happeining in lebanon ....
 
1/2 of the country is destroyed.... they say the destruction in iraq doesnt even compare to whats happeining in lebanon ....
That's not even close to the truth. Beirut has been hit the hardest, by far, and that city's suffered damage to about 10% of its infrastructure.

The simple fact that the government admits this means that Israel is obviously losing in the eyes of the average person, for someone to use such a pathetic way to defend themselves, wow.
For someone who claims intellectual superiority, you do a horrible job of reading. How is it that the actions of a group called the World Union of Jewish Students are attributed by you to Israel? If I join a fraternity in America and write pro-American posts on Tupacboard, does that mean the American government has anything to do with it? What an asinine statement and argument.
 
Morris said:
That's not even close to the truth. Beirut has been hit the hardest, by far, and that city's suffered damage to about 10% of its infrastructure.

actually, Beirut hasn't been hit at all, but the whole South of Lebanon plus the Bekaa valley (all of Eastern Lebanon) has been reduced to rubble.
Israel is affraid of Hezbollah targeting Tel Aviv, that's why Beirut has been spared to a certain extent so far
just yesterday, Israel attacked a Christian city (Marjeýoun)
As if Hezbollah would have a base there...

damages are estimated a 9.5 Billion $
that s close to Lebanon's whole GDP

So when did Lebanon finally deem the Farms to be Lebanese
?

100s of books talk about this issue.
"The borders of Lebanon" explains the whole issue since the begining, even the area of Shebaa since the Ottoman empire, and explains the reason why syria always coveted the farms for several reasons (water, strategic location between lebanon, Syria and Palestine/ then israel, touristic location...)

in 1924, when Lebanon was created, the lands were administered by Lebanon.

http://www.lgic.org/english/eng-mainfaq-Shebaa.htm

There has been disputes with Syria since the beginning, but bear in mind Syria NEVER recognized any borders with Lebanon, and they don't even recognize Lebanon's independance.


Beginning in 1924, the Shebaa Farms were considered Lebanese territory. But Syria refused to accept that fact as it refused Lebanon's right to independence. It seized the Farms in the 1950s and maintained its control over them until it lost them with the Golan Heights to Israel in 1967. The Syrian control over the Farms created an anomalous situation in which the residents of the Farms were Lebanese nationals and the land was Lebanese property, but the administration and authority were Syrian.

Lebanon did not agree to the Syrian control over the Farms, but did not raise the issue with the United Nations in order not to amplify the problem with Syria. In fact, Lebanon tried to establish a police station in the Farms, but several Lebanese gendarmes were killed by the Syrians and others were evicted by force, an event that is documented in one of the issues of the Lebanese Army Magazine. Retired Lieutenant Colonel Adnan Shaaban declared in a press panel sponsored by the Arabic daily An-Nahar on December 4, 2000 that the Shebaa Farms are Lebanese territory under Syrian sovereignty, reminding everyone of the document published by the Lebanese Soldier magazine in 1961. In it, it was reported that four Lebanese soldiers of various ranks entered the Farms and were killed by Syrian soldiers because the land was under Syrian sovereignty (in the Syrian interpretation), and photos of these events are available in the files of the Directorate of Information and Orientation.

"If they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide." How is that not calling for a genocide? Please explain to us how such an obvious statement is apparently being taken out of context.
this was sarcastic, and pretty funny by the way.

"we will turn Lebanon's clock 20 years"
"It used to be good to do business in lebanon, it won't be after we're done with them"
Dan Haluz (i think)


Israel purposly attempting to destroy all of Lebanon, according to your logic. (which is not unlikely by the way)

Hezbollah is intentionally aiming rockets at civilian targets. Israel is targeting military targets who are hiding among civilians. What an asinine statement. I have a hard time believing you yourself even believe what you just wrote.
of course they are... but since you fail to see the sarcasm, let me try to say it to you in a clear way:

Israel is doing the same... Israel has much more accurate weapons, but killed so much more civillians.
Israel dropped 23 tons of explosives (30% of Hezbollah's Arsenal) on a mosque.
Israel dropped 1000 rockets/bombs on khiam, in one place in 30 minutes, one third of all rockets fired by Hezbollah
Israel dropped a commando on a Hospital, entered a civillian house, and captured civillians (under the pretext that the guy's name was Nasrallah, one of the most common names in lebanon)
Israel drops flyers threatening civillians stating 'we will kill anyone staying in a Hezbollah zone, and of course, Israel decides whether the zone is for Hezbollah
Israel asks civillians to leave towns after bombing the roads and the bridges, and bombs them as they are trying to evacuate.

there are a thousand examples and still counting
 
First of all, even if you have been posting for 20years, it means nothing, secondly, one of the people I know who got banned was a member for 8years and had 29,000 posts, please give it a rest.

Now to get to your debate, it's obvious that you’re blinded and limited to everything you hear on Fox News, because you obviously paste everything they say and call it a debate.

Now let me demolish some of your dumb points.

First of all, about Hezbollah using the UN post, I read it, and they said an EMAIL was issued 9days before.

"written in an e-mail dated just nine days ago"

If anyone believes this, he is almost as retarded as Morris, your telling me a UN observer, a UN OBSERVER, saw Hezbollah using the post and it wasn’t all over the news, lol, this is very pathetic, you're telling me they left them for 9 days, the utter stupidity is overwhelming, your perception is almost equivalent to that of a fetus. If Hezbollah was indeed getting "shield" from the post, then from the first day everyone would know, as for the USA is waiting on the slightest thing to make the people against Hezbollah. The email never happened, no wonder they said Email, because it's the only form of communication they can't really trace per say.


"has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."
Let me explain something to you, Israel has the fourth strongest army in the world, you actually believe that it wasn’t deliberate targeting, wow, let me give you an example my young one, Israel targeted the house of a person affiliated with Hezbollah in Dahyeh, he lived on the 4th floor, they launched a missile, and ONLY that 4th floor was hit, the building was unharmed and the neighbors were ok. So do you know how DUMB what you just said sounds? You are a complete retard, the 4th best army in the world doesn't target good, it sure targeted good in Dahyeh, but in Qana and Un it didn't huh lol. Targeting the UN Posts, is a sign that Israel is taking such a beating that it's throwing bombs randomly in every direction, a militia, a god damn militia has the 4th best army scared, and 3million people in shelters, what a shame.

They hit the top of the light house today to cut out television feed from Al-Manar. Israel has been cutting all forms of communication in the south, for rather obvious reasons.
Also you avoided my question, and I will repeat it, I guess Hezbollah was hiding in the milk factory huh, oh and let's not forget the bombing of a truck carrying water melons today, and killing its driver, I guess Hezbollah were hiding in the watermelons.


And? There'd be hundreds less dead if Hezbollah wasn't using human shields and intentionally causing civilian casualties. By law they're responsible for the civilian dead on both sides of this war, and it's their #1 war aim so that accumulated casualties forces the international community to impose a ceasefire on Israel.
Do you know how idiotic you sound trying to justify everything, I seriously compare your intelligence to that of an ape. First of, Hezbollah didn't choose war, your government did, they wanted a trade, but obviously Israel was preparing for this war for a long time. And what a sorry excuse of a human being that chimp Olmert is, your government denies everything, and hides its losses, your justifying the murder of half a thousand women, children and men, your truly a retard, I feel sorry for you, actually, I don't.
 
^^ those aren't Hezbollah...
+ they have uniforms
+ i don't see the civilians complaining.
+ look up "guerilla warfare" somewhere and stop these pathetic excuses
 
They hit the top of the light house today to cut out television feed from Al-Manar. Israel has been cutting all forms of communication in the south, for rather obvious reasons.
the old lighthouse, that was used by France during the french mandate, and that is used for "Radio Liban" (a radio station that has nothing to do with Hebollah)


+ Morris, i d love to hear you explain this:
today, after entering Marjeyoun, Israel asked the civillians to leave, then bombed the evacuation convoy
4 dead, 7 injured.
 

Glockmatic

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Khaled said:
^^ those aren't Hezbollah...
+ they have uniforms
+ i don't see the civilians complaining.
+ look up "guerilla warfare" somewhere and stop these pathetic excuses
so the man crouched and wearing a green headband while aiming an anti-tank missile isn't hezbollah? They have no complaints about being next to a guerilla fighter but if a bullet hits a bystander its all hell and israel is to be blamed.
 
+ Morris, i d love to hear you explain this:
today, after entering Marjeyoun, Israel asked the civillians to leave, then bombed the evacuation convoy
4 dead, 7 injured.
Exactly, they even authorized them to leave, and ensured safety, then they bombed them and killed 4 civilians. And people still don't believe they lie, I guess Hezbollah was hiding with them also huh? Stupidity.
 
Glockmatic said:
so the man crouched and wearing a green headband while aiming an anti-tank missile isn't hezbollah? They have no complaints about being next to a guerilla fighter but if a bullet hits a bystander its all hell and israel is to be blamed.
these are hamas (i think)
if a bullet hits a bystander... it's ok

if 1000 civillians die, for less than a 100 Hezzies... it's not.
 
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