Israel appeared to have struck the site (U.N. observer post) deliberately.

[Sebastian]

Nobody forces you to read a thing. Guess what message boards are for? They're for debate. How much sense does it make if we have people deleting something they disagree with on a message board? I used to be a moderator for the Death/Alive Theories Forum. If I took your stance, there would have been no forum.

A Words of Wisdom board with a moderator who deletes posts he disagrees with? What a joke. Grow up.

Yes, i do have to read everything because im a moderator.

I knew you would say that. - Ok, its not about disagreeing with you, of course not. But you know, we have a quidline #13 i think. Its about lowering the iq of the board. Yeah, you are a smart guy, obviously...but you not being able to see or to admit that some things Israel are doing are wrong is insane and ignorant. I dont care what you say, everyone with half a brain can see it. You are the only one who cant, for some unknown reason.

I dont want people in here who are racists, i dont want people in here who curse all the time....and i dont want people in here who are so stubborn that they cant even admit a mistake.

 

[Morris]

I never said Israel shouldn't defend itself. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying that because Israel is the one dropping the bombs, they also have to take a share of the responsibility. I mean, how hard is this to understand?

I understand. But I'd like to know what you think Israel should be doing instead? In my opinion, as I've stated numerous times now, it's necessary for Israel to quell the rocket fire, and that results in causing civilian casualties. If you've got a solution that protects Israeli civilians and ensures no loss of civilian life in Lebanon, phone the IDF.

but you not being able to see or to admit that some things Israel are doing are wrong is insane and ignorant.

When someone has discussed something in this thread about Israel's actions, I've explained why I think it's justifiable or defensible. That's called my opinion. I'm as entitled to my opinion as much as Teck or Kareem or Tru P are entitled to their's. The fact that you disagree with mine doesn't merit deleting my posts. That's asinine.

I dont care what you say, everyone with half a brain can see it.

What a fitting moderator for a board designed to stir thoughtful debates. /sarcasm

Instead of wasting your time and everyone else's time making worthless posts and threatening to delete my posts for stupid reasons, you would be better served joining the debate and explaining to me why you disagree with my positions. I will then discuss why I disagree with your's. That's the point of the forum. Wow, what a novel idea!

If dissent pisses you off, you're moderating the wrong forum.

 

[Glockmatic]

Team Sierra is currently observing both IDF/IAF and Hezbollah military clashes from our vantage point which has a commanding view of the IDF positions on the Golan mountains to our east and the IDF positions along the Blue Line to our south, as well as, most of the Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base. It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area. On the night of 16 July, at 2125 hrs, a large firefight broke out between the Hezbollah and the IDF near a village called Majidyye and lasted for one hour and 40 minutes.

- Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060718/mideast_lebanon_UN_060716/20060718/

 

[Morris]

What I can tell you is this: we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.

^ For those who don't read Glock's link, this is one of the UN observers who was killed in the site. Maybe Kofi would have been better served reading his own observer's communications before making the baseless assertion that the the UN observers were deliberately targeted.

It also went largely unreported last week that Hezbollah wounded 3 UN observers itself. But they're not treated to the same standards as the IDF anywhere, here included.

 

[Morris]

Has anyone else noticed the discrepancy between the Red Cross's casualty count in Qana (28 bodies pulled) and the claim by the Lebanese that 57 were killed? Why the discrepancy? And why has the media reported 57 as fact?

There is also debate on how long the building took to collapse.

 

[ADZ]

Has anyone else noticed the discrepancy between the Red Cross's casualty count in Qana (28 bodies pulled) and the claim by the Lebanese that 57 were killed? Why the discrepancy? And why has the media reported 57 as fact?

There is also debate on how long the building took to collapse.

Theres always debate on the israeli side or do you think helbozah drag these dead bodies there while the building was collasping?

wasn't israel supposed to know the exact positions of the un peacekeepers and they kept on bombing their positions mulpitle times,

"for all this talk about leveling the country, the fact is that the attacks on Beirut have only been to about 10% of the city. "

What percentage of the south would you say has been destroyed?

 

[Tru Principle]

Israel already admitted Qana was a "mistake".. Morris, twist that please.

 

[Morris]

wasn't israel supposed to know the exact positions of the un peacekeepers and they kept on bombing their positions mulpitle times,

Did you not read the quotes from the Canadian UN Observer who was killed in that shelling?

Team Sierra is currently observing both IDF/IAF and Hezbollah military clashes from our vantage point which has a commanding view of the IDF positions on the Golan mountains to our east and the IDF positions along the Blue Line to our south, as well as, most of the Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base.

The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.

Israel already admitted Qana was a "mistake".. Morris, twist that please.

Actually, Israel called it a tragic accident and blamed Hezbollah for using civilian buildings for military operations and equipment.

Article 28 of the Fourth Geneva Convention:

"The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."

 

[Tru Principle]

lol

 

[McMouD]

may'n take from a palestinian that was on a vacation in libanon when it all startet.. this shit that they doing is WRONG! they dropping bombs on civilians! and i've seen it with my own eyes! and the fact that the american president is supporting this, is insane! and i don't care who you are.. if u support this, then ther's something wrong with you too!

isreal are not only targeting civilians but also libanons future in form of bombs (which the USA gave em) that contains uranium i think that goes to make it impossible to make ANYTHING grow.. they dropping bombs that are armed to explode twise.. one time when they hit the ground.. and then again an hour later when ambulances and others be cleaning up the mess... they've made life in libanon impossible.. !

 

[Morris]

lol

I should note that I'm simply saying what Israel's stance was. By law though, Hezbollah is responsible for the civilian casualties incurred as a result of their using the population. Israel may be responsible for where the bombs land, and who's killed, but due to incessant rocket fire, self defense measures have to be taken. Israel's responses thus become justified.

 

[Sebastian]

What i learned is: Israel is never wrong :thumb:

 

[Kareem]

What i learned is: Israel is never wrong :thumb:

yup I get that feeling too, Israel could drop a nuke on Washington an claim they mistook it for Beruit, and somehow it would be acceptable.Thats why I really havent posted in this thread the past few days, its pointless no matter what Israel is not wrong and the arabs/muslims are ALWAYS wrong 15,20 years from now when these kids both Palestinian an Leboneese grow up the middle east in gonna be in utter choas 50% worse then it is already.

"The hate you gave lil infants fucks everybody"

 

[Morris]

What i learned is: Israel is never wrong

What I learned is: according to you and the rest of the people who disagree with me, the solution is that Israel is supposed to let a group sworn to its destruction fire tens of thousands of missiles at its citizens, with half of the country reachable by those missiles, but since Israel's attempt to defend itself might hurt Lebanese civilians, they shouldn't do anything about it.

 

[McMouD]

What I learned is: according to you and the rest of the people who disagree with me, the solution is that Israel is supposed to let a group sworn to its destruction fire tens of thousands of missiles at its citizens, with half of the country reachable by those missiles, but since Israel's attempt to defend itself might hurt Lebanese civilians, they shouldn't do anything about it.

israel started? the first 100 missiles or so were fired by israel! how many children must die because of two soldiers? besides that.. i can't see how it's acceptable for israel to "defend" them selves, when it isn't for others? israel have for years been kidnapping innocent palestinians.. only difference is that they ain't got to justify it to anyone, since somehow ALL arabs and muslims are terrorist.. will it be okay if hizbollah took the souldjahs and put them in jail cells? cause that seems to justify it for israel?

 

[Morris]

^ Actually, the kidnapping operation started with a Hezbollah rocket barrage before they ambushed the Israeli patrol unit and kidnapped the soldiers and killed a few others.

Since then Hezbollah's firing on average over 100 missiles a day at Israeli cities, making 1/3 of the country a target and forcing people to live in bomb shelters.

If this was merely about 2 soldiers, there already would have been an exchange. Same with the Gaza Strip, where Hamas has fired 1000 rockets in the last year in addition to kidnapping the soldier.

 

[McMouD]

still.. it doesn't change nothing.. israel has been doing this very same thing for years now.. and besides.. if hizbollah are targeting 2/3 of Palestine ( i refuse to call it israel) then israel are targeting3/3 of libanon PLUS more! and all this kidnapping that has been going on is, like george bitch and prolly also you will put it "selfdefense".. cause israel have kidnapped loads and loads of people and put them in jail.. for reasons they can't even explaine them selves!

 

[McMouD]

^
Since then Hezbollah's firing on average over 100 missiles a day at Israeli cities, making 1/3 of the country a target and forcing people to live in bomb shelters.

and also... at least the israeli people can hide in bomb shelters... the lebanese people don't have the same options.. they can't get anywhere..!

 

[Tru Principle]

No man you're wrong ^ we get to sleep in the streets, next to garbage cans, a zillion types of bugs, rats, birds shitting on us, no toilets, no clean water, no showers... what you on about son!? life is gooood

 

[CoolWaterz]

No man you're wrong ^ we get to sleep in the streets, next to garbage cans, a zillion types of bugs, rats, birds shitting on us, no toilets, no clean water, no showers... what you on about son!? life is gooood

lol whose "we". youre still using a computer to log onto this site.