Immigration Bill

PuffnScruff · Apr 20, 2006

why make someone a legal american, and give them the basic american rights, when they disrespect our laws and shit all over them?

it is much easier to become a legal citizen of this country than it is in many other countries, like say...mexico.

why wont the mexican govt clean house and make it so the people in their country want to stay their instead of telling them how to enter our country illegally?

this country has given amnistey to mexican far too many times since the 80's already. it is time for this shit too stop.

this isnt just about taxes. given 12 million people legal status is not going to solve anything. you legalize 12 million people, then what? when another 12 -20 million people shit all over our laws once again do we legalize them too? if you legalize 12 million people it will just start a snowball effect or slippery slope. nothing good will come from it.

ARon · Apr 20, 2006

If another 12 million come you legalize them too, why not.

Why not make someone a legal citizen. And what laws do they shit all over, coming here illegally, please. These arent abd people jsut people coming here to try to live. What is wrong with a "snowball effect" of other people coming here to live?

underdog · Apr 20, 2006

just a question, how many of you all are white?

live near a border city?

PuffnScruff · Apr 20, 2006

whats your point underdog?

aristotle- there are some bad people coming here illegally, it has been proven that some of these illegals are murders, rapists, theives, and they have commited these crimes in their country and ours. why do we want them here if they are just going to do the same criminal acts?

yes they break the imigration laws, that is illegal, they shit on our laws. they get fake d.l., social security cards, which is also breaking the law. they get behind cars and cause major accidents, injuring and sometimes killing people, when they have not earned the right to have a d.l. i have known people who have been in car accidents by drunk illegals kentucky, all because they, the illegal aliens, do not obey and just do not care about the laws. why give them rights if they cant respect our laws?

this is a nation of laws, not a nation of do whatever you want.

ARon · Apr 21, 2006

^Americans do the same things, what is your point?

Bachaveli · Apr 21, 2006

Puffnscruff i'm sorry but you are very hypocritic and so wrong.You have just as much criminals,rapists and theives in your own country.So yea what is your point.
All i hear from you is laws laws laws laws.Everytime you feel need to defend something you brought up laws.What is this country really preventing immigrants for coming in?Paper.Paper?Is that what really should you be based on?Should papers really be measuring you who you are?
These people who want to come in here are/could be just as criminal or innocent then any other citizen already living here.But you point at those who are outside and want to come in.
You's just as Hypocritic and criminal as any other real hypocritic and criminal.You's i mean America.
This country was built by immigrants,(and still is being build by them) same immigrants that you asking for 'paper' in front of the gate.Same immigrants that you using and paying min wage.Yet you bashing them for being illegal and not having 'paper'.If thats not hypocritic then i dont know what is.

PuffnScruff · Apr 21, 2006

i havent said anything hypocritical and everything i have said is my opinion. sure we have lots of criminals in our country, but our police officers are underfunded, under paid, and do not have the man power to deal with an adding problem like 12 miilion plus illegal immigrants that cant come into this country the legal way like everyone else who comes over to this country to make a better life for them self.

but hey, i guess two wrongs make a right huh? lets give hard core criminals from other countries a second chance to re-commit crimes in this country, its all good right? we will just throw them in prison and let the tax payers take care of them, instead of giving more money to the under paid police, teacher, or military service men and woman.

lets just flip the bill for these people and let them live off our already corrupt well fare system. americans do it so it must be ok then right?

lets send a message to all the people in other countries waiting to get in this country and doing the legal steps to do so, laws for the but not for me

sure not every single one of those 12 million are hard core criminals but many of them are and they come sneeking into this country crossing rivers, in under ground tunnels because they will not get through the boarder. they know they will not get accepted through the legal route.

countries have imigration laws for a reason. countries have laws for a reason, and if you want to be a member of that country or visit that country you must respect their laws.

this isnt about paper. you two obviously do not see the big picture in this whole thing and only look at this in black and white.

bach you dont know what hypocritical means.

these illegals are not making min wage, they make less than that. and for reasons already stated, GREEDY EMPLOYERS, the majority of those employers own private businesses. you obviously need to look into this issue a little bit deepr and learn more about it.

Bachaveli · Apr 22, 2006

What?This country will always and always be facing problems just like any other country, they'll always be dealing with such problems or smiliar, there be no peace and settle down as far as im concerned,there will always be shit going on is my point.So there is no such thing as ''our police officers do not have man power to deal with additional 12 more mill problems'' because (im not saying you have to deal with these 12mil problems) but this country will always face problems whether its from outside criminals or inside so you can not say we cant control these people if we let them in.Another words if its meant to be controlled you should control it no matter who or at what size.

Thats one, and two..you keep repeating these strong words hardcore criminals,crime,what second chance my friend?Under what circumstance to begin with did you come to know that these people who want to come in are criminals anyway?What makes them criminals?Tha fact that they dont have 'papers' in their hand or the fact that they sliding through underground tryna come in this country? You dont know who these people are.

Since when did you give a day care what other countries think and did based on what they wanted or anything.

I dont care what you have.''i have an opinion i have an opinion..''is all you could defend yourselves with knowing people must respect each others opinions, so im gonna sit middle of the street and spread my legs wide open and hold on to my opinion.You have an opinion or what, you can have all the opinon in the world but the fact of the matter remains this country is using these same illegal immigrants for their own benefit and the same time they bashing them for being illegal and thats as hardcore criminal and unlawful as you sometimes like to say my friend.

PuffnScruff · Apr 22, 2006

Bachaveli said:

Thats one, and two..you keep repeating these strong words hardcore criminals,crime,what second chance my friend?Under what circumstance to begin with did you come to know that these people who want to come in are criminals anyway?What makes them criminals?Tha fact that they dont have 'papers' in their hand or the fact that they sliding through underground tryna come in this country? You dont know who these people are.
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news reports about illegal aliens that commit crimes in this country, like said rape, murder, and break-ins, and the reporters just happen to dig up their records in their native country, which proves they are repeat offenders, they just do it in other countries. that makes them criminals does it not?

you could aslo search the web and find plenty of reports about the subject. or just look at this site http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

read every single one of those

Bachaveli · Apr 22, 2006

Ironically this is what i found in your own sign ''IF all you know is what the main stream media tell you, then your living in a world of illusions'' This makes you illusional believing everything thats being televised to you does it not?

News reports also reported pres.bush went in war with iraq to fight the terror and give sadamis better life and news reports also reported after 9/11 that only about 2000 people had died in wtc.

PuffnScruff · Apr 22, 2006

Bachaveli said:

you assume i get my news from the t.v. i never said i got these reports from the t.v. news now did i ? now who is the illusional one?

on a side note, you dont answer my questions, you dont debate the issues, you are trying to change the subject,and it seems like you dont even want to look at the site i posted a link too. there for you can say whatever you want, i'm done with you. you should be banned for lowering the boards IQ

Bachaveli · Apr 22, 2006

I'm not trying to change anything.I had my say.The fact of the matter is this country is hypocritic and is as much criminal as they are accusing others to be.Before you say you have your own opinion let me congratulate you first.

ARon · Apr 22, 2006

Puff, the whole time I have been saying let them be legal immigrants, why are they illegal etc. So I think we say the same thing but you are stuck on the our law is mighty type thing so make them get a Visa and take 10+ years to do it, ok. As long as they are allowed to work and so forth. But we don't allow that, we kick them out, why is that. Why arent we like ok you want to live here this is the process you will have to take and register with us and pay taxes and so forth. Dont seem like anything is wrong with that. Yeah our tax payer money might go towards new programs for them but we dont even know where our money goes or really care about how much they take unless we want to complain about something or use "tax payer money" as an excuse to back up an arguement so that is really nothing.

My question to you is why do you not want them here. Is it cus you the whole they break our law thing or what. If we made it easier for them to become citizens, easier for them to live here and pay their due what would the problem be. This issue just really pisses me off cus we as Americans pretend to care about people and brush off remarks of foreigners who claim certain things and pretned like it isnt true but it is. I'm tired of us being the bullies and the stuck up in crowd of this world. I dont know, shit just upsets me.

PuffnScruff · Apr 22, 2006

Aristotle said:

they are illegal because they chose to be. they could have gotten a visa if they would have went the legal route, unless they were hardcore criminals.

most of the people that get kicked out are the hardcore criminals. they also get deported because they do not renew their visa or overstay their time period from their tourist visa. in 2004 157,000 illegal immigrants were deported, half of that number were convicted criminals. which was an increase of almost 7% from the previous year. and those are just the ones that were found.

it really isnt all the hard to become a citizen in this country from what i hear from the people i go to school with, that are legal aliens or have family that are legal aliens.
"Why arent we like ok you want to live here this is the process you will have to take and register with us and pay taxes and so forth. "
we already do this but people are either ignorant to the process or choose not to go through this process

like i have said, i do not have a problem with immigration. immigration is a great thing. i have a problem with illegal immigration. i dont see the point in giving people rights in this country or any country if they can not respect or acknowledge our laws that this country has. i have a problem with businesses hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

ARon · Apr 22, 2006

"we already do this but people are either ignorant to the process or choose not to go through this process"
I know and what I'm saying is make it easier for them, instead of deporting them take them through hte process. Cus what do you think is going to happen, they will probably try to come here again. I know about 5 people persoanlly who came here with visa's and so forth. They each tell me it costs thousands of dollars and the longest time one guy told me it took him 17 years to get his citizenship. I dont know I just think we could make this easier for them.

fields316_2000 · May 1, 2006

we need to send them back. first off there are some that really want to stay here in america but can not pass the test to become legally american. so in all fairness we should issue out a blanketed test for those subjects elected to leave, just so that if they pass they can maintain their life style. after all, most of them have been here for years, but perfers to work here and live in mexico where the dollar is worth more.
secondly what about taxes? if we have 20 million people here that does not pay a tax because they dont have a social, what does that do to the rest of us? specifically the schools when there isnt any more room for legal kids to learn?
in all fairness they DO do all the crap jobs we would never consider like washing cars and gardening- but should they leave, it would open up ALOT more work for those down and out americans -perhaps homeless- to pick up and do since there would be such a void...so yeah..either get right and legal and pay some taxes or go back to mexico

underdog · May 11, 2006

the only reasong this issue has come up all of a sudden is to sway our attention from the war, and did u know that not a single terrorist came from the mexican border, but from canada

Glockmatic · May 11, 2006

Usually immigrants have their children in the US, so they are born citizens making them "legal kids".

nice little cartoon about the immigration debate down there

PuffnScruff · May 11, 2006

found this link from a person who commented on that video
http://www.wehategringos.com/index2.shtml

this is the stuff you will not see in the news and what people are not talking about. this is a takeover. it may not happen tomorrow, but it could happen with in a decade or two maybe. some of those people need to take a history class. mexico was payed for states like arizona, california, and new mexico. the land wasnt stolen from anyone.

this comment was a good one too
"u guys are missing out on a big group of people: us, legal immigrants. yea, the ones that waited in lines for months and paid hundreds of dollars and spent more time getting thier degrees and learning a skill, then get interviewed and goin through a lot of bullshit to get here. to see a mexican jumpin the border , making money, and sendin it back home; with no returns to our economy (purchases that is) it just pisses me off

if the channels are long and expensive, deal with it"

if mexico would treat their people right they wouldnt come here in the first place. you'd think they would try and change things in mexico, i know i would if i was a mexican living there.

~Vindictive~ · May 24, 2006

look like its closed to being passed:thumb:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060524/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/immigration_24

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