Immigration Bill

[AmerikazMost]

looks like the bill stalled now. we will have to wait till after they get back from break. it's not like they havent had enough time off already this year god i need to be a congressman

Really haha.

But it's true that Congress doesn't need to be in session for as much time as the President needs to be working. Simple political theory - new laws don't always have to be made, but they always need to be enforced. But it does always seems like they take a vacation when a big and pertinent bill comes along.

 

[ARon]

The American economy is big enough to give work to immigrants. All those people who complain about illegal aliens stealing their jobs should really be quiet because it's their fault they aren't skilled or educated enough to find jobs that someone who can't even speak the English language can come here and do. But since it is the companies fault for hiring these people why are we closing the border and not reprimanding the companies. Lets just build a big wall so no one else can come here, I bet the Native Americans are wishing they did the same exact thing right about now. Picture yourself or better yet picture your ancestors trying to come to America and being turned away because we simply don't want them here? These 'aliens' are treated with no dignity or respect and are paid minimal minimal wages to do labor that not one congressman would do. But yet, we sit here and say close the border, for what? Why? How have any of these people directly affected you. What is wrong with more people coming to this country to prosper, that is the American dream is it not. Americans are such hypocrites it is ridiculous. This is why foreigners say that we are too arrogant and to selfish and think we are better than everyone, because we do. We don't want any more people coming here to live, fuck that, damn illegals, taken my job even though they don't speak english and their highest education equates to about what I did in 5th grade. Once again it isn't their fault, it is our own fault, we need to stop blaming others and blame these companies and ourselves. Welcome these people like they were at Plymouth Rock and hand them a turkey not handcuffs and a ride home. It is a privilege for us to be born here, we need to start realizing that and stop acting like we own the world, shit is getting out of hand.

 

[AmerikazMost]

^ The border isn't going to be closed at all. Immigration is simply going to be regulated, not ceased all together.

 

[PuffnScruff]

The American economy is big enough to give work to immigrants. All those people who complain about illegal aliens stealing their jobs should really be quiet because it's their fault they aren't skilled or educated enough to find jobs that someone who can't even speak the English language can come here and do. But since it is the companies fault for hiring these people why are we closing the border and not reprimanding the companies. Lets just build a big wall so no one else can come here, I bet the Native Americans are wishing they did the same exact thing right about now. Picture yourself or better yet picture your ancestors trying to come to America and being turned away because we simply don't want them here? These 'aliens' are treated with no dignity or respect and are paid minimal minimal wages to do labor that not one congressman would do. But yet, we sit here and say close the border, for what? Why? How have any of these people directly affected you. What is wrong with more people coming to this country to prosper, that is the American dream is it not. Americans are such hypocrites it is ridiculous. This is why foreigners say that we are too arrogant and to selfish and think we are better than everyone, because we do. We don't want any more people coming here to live, fuck that, damn illegals, taken my job even though they don't speak english and their highest education equates to about what I did in 5th grade. Once again it isn't their fault, it is our own fault, we need to stop blaming others and blame these companies and ourselves. Welcome these people like they were at Plymouth Rock and hand them a turkey not handcuffs and a ride home. It is a privilege for us to be born here, we need to start realizing that and stop acting like we own the world, shit is getting out of hand.

1, those jobs you speak of are trade skills you dont need a college education to do them.
2.have you even read the proposed laws? part of them is to fine the companies that hire illegal aliens

i dont see how you can compare what went on in this country much less the world a couple hundred years ago to what is going on today. things change, times change, society changes. you are almost comparing apples and oranges

you seem to be missing the whole point. they are paid little wages for one simple fact. THEY CAME TO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. they hopped fences, came through under ground tunnels etc. mean while other people are coming and waiting to get into this country the proper LEGAL way.

a good number of the people who come here illegal have criminal records in other countries and they could never get in through the proper legal way.

there is nothing wrong with trying to come to american to make a better life for yourself or your family, but when you go about it by BREAKING THE LAW that is a problem.

12 million ILLEGAL ALIENS, not legal aliens. ILLEGAL. dictionary.com use that to look up the word ILLEGAL

 

[S O F I]

It took me almost 4 years to get here the legal way. Why should a Chico have it any easier?

There I go being racist again.

 

[Jokerman]

Solution: Infrared/motion tracking sentry guns and claymores on the border.

Simply erect two high and sturdy chainlink fences a half-mile apart completely within United States territory. The area between those fences would contain a minefield that would be impossible to cross. Lighted signs and loudspeakers would advise people in multiple languages around the clock:

"...Danger! Danger! You are approaching the United States of America using an unapproved point of entry. This area contains defensive landmines that will result in death beyond this fence. Visitors and citizens of the United States of America will be welcomed at approved points of entry. Move away from this area immediately and enter the United States at the following..."

This would greatly reduce the need for motion detectors, dogs, dangerous horseback patrols, and would vastly reduce the number of illegal immigrants to a mere trickle. The disgusting coyotes engaging in human trafficking would essentially be put out of business because nobody would be willing to assume the risk. It may sound harsh at first, but is absolutely humane because there wouldn't be people starving or thirsting to death in the middle of the desert and our intention to protect our border would be clear and unambiguous.

 

[Duke]

The American economy is big enough to give work to immigrants. All those people who complain about illegal aliens stealing their jobs should really be quiet because it's their fault they aren't skilled or educated enough to find jobs that someone who can't even speak the English language can come here and do. But since it is the companies fault for hiring these people why are we closing the border and not reprimanding the companies. Lets just build a big wall so no one else can come here, I bet the Native Americans are wishing they did the same exact thing right about now. Picture yourself or better yet picture your ancestors trying to come to America and being turned away because we simply don't want them here? These 'aliens' are treated with no dignity or respect and are paid minimal minimal wages to do labor that not one congressman would do. But yet, we sit here and say close the border, for what? Why? How have any of these people directly affected you. What is wrong with more people coming to this country to prosper, that is the American dream is it not. Americans are such hypocrites it is ridiculous. This is why foreigners say that we are too arrogant and to selfish and think we are better than everyone, because we do. We don't want any more people coming here to live, fuck that, damn illegals, taken my job even though they don't speak english and their highest education equates to about what I did in 5th grade. Once again it isn't their fault, it is our own fault, we need to stop blaming others and blame these companies and ourselves. Welcome these people like they were at Plymouth Rock and hand them a turkey not handcuffs and a ride home. It is a privilege for us to be born here, we need to start realizing that and stop acting like we own the world, shit is getting out of hand.

My respect for you has soared.

 

[pclvson]

The American economy is big enough to give work to immigrants. All those people who complain about illegal aliens stealing their jobs should really be quiet because it's their fault they aren't skilled or educated enough to find jobs that someone who can't even speak the English language can come here and do. But since it is the companies fault for hiring these people why are we closing the border and not reprimanding the companies. Lets just build a big wall so no one else can come here, I bet the Native Americans are wishing they did the same exact thing right about now. Picture yourself or better yet picture your ancestors trying to come to America and being turned away because we simply don't want them here? These 'aliens' are treated with no dignity or respect and are paid minimal minimal wages to do labor that not one congressman would do. But yet, we sit here and say close the border, for what? Why? How have any of these people directly affected you. What is wrong with more people coming to this country to prosper, that is the American dream is it not. Americans are such hypocrites it is ridiculous. This is why foreigners say that we are too arrogant and to selfish and think we are better than everyone, because we do. We don't want any more people coming here to live, fuck that, damn illegals, taken my job even though they don't speak english and their highest education equates to about what I did in 5th grade. Once again it isn't their fault, it is our own fault, we need to stop blaming others and blame these companies and ourselves. Welcome these people like they were at Plymouth Rock and hand them a turkey not handcuffs and a ride home. It is a privilege for us to be born here, we need to start realizing that and stop acting like we own the world, shit is getting out of hand.

:thumb:

 

[insomnia]

i agree to Aristotle. I doubt that any citizen who can't get a job because of illegal immigrant has already taken it, as most of you claim, would really want to work for 4-6 $ per hour wage. immigrants are happy with what they got, comparing to their country's wage's it's a lot already.
you say students and other young people would like to find jobs that are unfortunately taken by immigrant. would student and other kid work a full time or night shift for much below minimum? i doubt it.
this country is built on exploitation, talking both about people and other resources.
hiring legal citizens would cause companies spend more on wages, herewith paid taxes would increase, as a result it would decrease benefit, state would collect less taxes from companies etc.. it's like a closed circle without any exit. illegal workers no doubt are one of the most important pedestal that your welfare is built on.
in other words, don't bite the hand that is feeding you

 

[PuffnScruff]

i agree to Aristotle. I doubt that any citizen who can't get a job because of illegal immigrant has already taken it, as most of you claim, would really want to work for 4-6 $ per hour wage. immigrants are happy with what they got, comparing to their country's wage's it's a lot already.
you say students and other young people would like to find jobs that are unfortunately taken by immigrant. would student and other kid work a full time or night shift for much below minimum? i doubt it.
this country is built on exploitation, talking both about people and other resources.
hiring legal citizens would cause companies spend more on wages, herewith paid taxes would increase, as a result it would decrease benefit, state would collect less taxes from companies etc.. it's like a closed circle without any exit. illegal workers no doubt are one of the most important pedestal that your welfare is built on.
in other words, don't bite the hand that is feeding you

nobody wants to work for min. wage but they will if they have too. i.e. support a family

would a student or other kid work a full time or night shift for below min wage? well that question makes no sense because it would be illegal to do so, so it is not a real world situation.

and i really dont get your point on illegals and welfare. welfare is one of the things that is hurting this country because it is abused by people like illegal aliens so once again you are making no sense.

hiring a legal or natural born citizen wouldnt cause a company to pay any more money than they normaly would. they would only raise their wages if they wanted to give out a raise. the owners of the companies are just looking for a way to put more money into their pockets. it is greed.

states collect less from companies that hire and pay illegals because most of those companies that do so do not document the illegals and just pay them out right in cash so then in turn the illegals are not paying taxes.

 

[insomnia]

states collect less from companies that hire and pay illegals because most of those companies that do so do not document the illegals and just pay them out right in cash so then in turn the illegals are not paying taxes.

that's what i was saying. greed companies are interested in not paying all taxes, that's why it is more profitable to hire illegal and only pay cash directly to him, avoiding taxes.

but as you've said above, illegals do want to work for minimum wage, cause comparing to their countries wage it is much more above average. for example in lithuania, i'm earning about 20-21 litas (national currency) that's about only 7-8 $ per hour (taxes not deducted). students or high school kids earn more in states, not talking that i'm earning about 2.5 times more than average wage (not even talking about minimum wage). of course, purchasing power here is different, similar situation would be in states earning 20-21 $ per hour. but tell me, wouldn't average worker from even more poorer countries be satisfied if he had ability to work and earn 3-4 times more than in his country. and when he can, he doesn't give a shit if it's illegal.

 

[Valeoz]

Have yall seen all the protesting they doing over this? It's crazy

 

[ARon]

^Crazy isn't the word. So many people are coming out and defending this, it's amazing. In my lifetime I haven't seen anything like this, besides the riots but that wasn't really a protest. They had this picture on CNN with a guy sayin "I helped clean Ground Zero" that was tight.

Puff my point was is that why should these people be illegal. We weren't illegal when we came here so why are they. Just cus someone crosses an imaginary line doesn't mean they are now law breaking indiviuals. If someone wants to come here and work take them through the process, and lighten it up so it doesnt take years and let them work. We don't need to limit the amount of people, let this country flourish, should it matter what race, ethnicity or creed is making money in the US. If we weren't so strict about who comes here to live this wouldn't be a problem, seriously I don't know why we are. The way I see it if we start to welcome these people and tell them it's ok come to our country and live just register with us blah blah pay some taxes live it up, why cant we do that.

 

[PuffnScruff]

^Crazy isn't the word. So many people are coming out and defending this, it's amazing. In my lifetime I haven't seen anything like this, besides the riots but that wasn't really a protest. They had this picture on CNN with a guy sayin "I helped clean Ground Zero" that was tight.

Puff my point was is that why should these people be illegal. We weren't illegal when we came here so why are they. Just cus someone crosses an imaginary line doesn't mean they are now law breaking indiviuals. If someone wants to come here and work take them through the process, and lighten it up so it doesnt take years and let them work. We don't need to limit the amount of people, let this country flourish, should it matter what race, ethnicity or creed is making money in the US. If we weren't so strict about who comes here to live this wouldn't be a problem, seriously I don't know why we are. The way I see it if we start to welcome these people and tell them it's ok come to our country and live just register with us blah blah pay some taxes live it up, why cant we do that.

have you seen the photos of the signs people were holding that werent shown on cnn?

they choose to be illegal, and you know what there were laws hundreds of years ago too, also not everyone came across on the mayflower like everyone keeps on assuming. yes they are law breaking individuals. there is a law set up and they choose to ignore it while others in some country are doing the right thing and following the laws and in some cases waiting up to 12 years while these people get granted amnesty. nobody is trying to limit the number of people that want to come into this country to make a better life, they are trying to deal with this problem of people disrespecting are laws while they claim they want to be american citizen. this country is not strict about letting people become citizens. MEXICO is strict about letting imigrants become citizens in their country

nobody ever welcomed people to enter this country illegally. we welcome them to enter our country the proper legal way while respecting our laws and do all that blah blah blah and pay taxes shit.

 

[ARon]

Yes that is what im saying also, but lighten the process up. All we really want is them to be legal and pay taxes. If we welcome them and not scare them so much so they have to avoid the law then it wouldnt be a problem. I'm just sayin lighten things up let people come and welcome with open arms so that they dont have to try and duck the law. Make it easier not some crazy process that makes it nearly impossible for someone who is poor.

Also about that picture, not one mexican immigrant.

 

[Valeoz]

The whole point of the law is to keep out the poor! We have enough ghettos as it is. Do we really need more? We can't even fix the ones we have now. The country is not going to flourish with more poverty. Many major cities are already overpopulated, resources inadequate, and costing millions of dollars a year just to keep these growing problems stable, not to get smaller, but stable. Then the worse happens, it's evil just to speak its name...

I think your missing a huge piece of the puzzle Aristotle. I doubt history has ever produced a more incompetent, corrupt, egotistic, selfish, awkward, and unsustainable political culture than permeates the United States from the federal to municipal levels. Our ego are so high up our asses, we think we can solve all world problems. But the verdict is: We Cannot!

We have the egos on the right, who believe we're so damn great and no illegal or any type of immigrant can be a great citizen of this great country who breaks are so precious delicate laws.

We have the egos on the left, who believe our country is so damn great that we should just open up our arms and we'll be able to provide so much better lives and solutions. Instant anti-poverty! Special Offer!

Do you know what's similar about these two egos? Their delusional. Why do we Americans always want to concentrate something external and turning a blind eye to what's already here? How can we help others when we can't even help ourselves? There are poor people right outside our front door, yet we care more about the people who aren't even in our country yet, a thousand miles away. Are the poor fine now because they're in AMERICA? It seems so.

I have few major questions tho to all the people who say the immigrants will have a better life... How do you know they will have a better life? And what if they don't? Then what?

How about closing the border to clean up our own bullshit first then open it back up, so then we are prepared for the oncoming bullshit. Sounds like a great solution to me! Lets take one step at a time yall, that the only way to get things done RIGHT!

 

[ARon]

What you said is pointless, in a way, it would of been good for a different issue maybe. Our poor people have nothing to do with a constant flow of illegal immigrants coming here. To us this is an internal problem since these people are coming here from thousands of miles away and living in our country. I mean what you said could of been something for a different issue but it is irrelevant right here. We try to help our poor, which is a problem we have. But we also have a problem of immigrants coming here illegally witch we need to work out, so we are trying too. Yeah we can make a wall greatly reduce a flow of poeple tyring to live here and prosper and put our efforts elsewhere, but that wouldn't be 'American'(heh), I hope.

 

[Morris]

But yet, we sit here and say close the border, for what? Why?

Well, national security certainly comes to mind.

How have any of these people directly affected you. What is wrong with more people coming to this country to prosper, that is the American dream is it not.

If these people are trying to live the American dream, shouldn't they be waving American flags instead of Mexican ones? These people enter the country illegally and then demand the same rights and constitutional protections as the country's citizens, while they skirt that "citizen type stuff" like paying taxes.

Come into the country legally. Period.

 

[AmerikazMost]

^ Exactly. Immigrants are a big part of our economy.. the legal ones. All illegal immigrants do is drain social programs without giving anything back to support them.

 

[ARon]

So make them legal, why send them out of the country is waht I'm saying. All they want is taxes so legalize them and there ya go. Why should it be so hard for someone to come to our country and live here.