Are you blind, Chistians

[W210]

we (me and you) don't have faith that goblins exist, we don't have faith that unicorns exist, we don't have faith fairies exist, we KNOW they don't exist, but what evidence is there that they don't exist? The faith argument does not work

I think it does work because there is evidence to support there being a God, but there will never be enough to prove 100% to every skeptic. I dont think there is any evidence to support unicorns. Im not sure how much my life would change if there were.

 

[Glockmatic]

I dont have a Bible in front of me so I dont know what that scripture is referring too, but yea he was human so he wasnt perfect. Im sure you would agree with me that telling lies is wrong, but we have both done it. And he did disobey God which is why he was punished and not able to see the promised land.

15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against Jehovah in the matter of Peor, and so the plague was among the congregation of Jehovah. 17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women-children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

and as i posted a few pages before, jesus sinned as well. the son of god (and to some, god in a human body) broke his/gods laws

I think it does work because there is evidence to support there being a God, but there will never be enough to prove 100% to every sceptic. I dont think there is any evidence to support unicorns. Im not sure how much my life would change if there were.

There is no physical evidence of god. Going outside and looking at a tree is not evidence of god, its evidence that theres a tree.

Unicorns were considered the symbol of christ in the middle ages, and even mentioned in the king james bible and incorporated in many christian works of art. They were also thought to be true, with "medicines" containing "unicorn" hides, milk and horn. But of course now we know that unicorns are made up

 

[XIAN]

That's not faith....flip/flop failed.

faith, (n.) : complete trust or confidence. (The Oxford, 2nd Ed.)

You have complete trust or confidence that there is no afterlife.

you know most of his teachings were taught 500 years earlier by Siddhārtha Gautama right? Read up Pancasila and it is almost the same teachings, but you don't consider yourself a buddhist?

Yes, I actually do. If you look at my past posts I've said more than once I consider myself a Buddhist Catholic.

 

[Glockmatic]

Yes, I actually do. If you look at my past posts I've said more than once I consider myself a Buddhist Catholic.

Do you believe in heaven or reincarnation? Do you believe that god is eternal or god decays like humans?

Do you believe that jesus is your savior? Have you taken refuge with the three jewels? If yes to both, you've corrupted both religious views, if no to both you're niether christian or buddhist, if yes to one and no to the other, you're either a christian or buddhist, not both.

 

[W210]

15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against Jehovah in the matter of Peor, and so the plague was among the congregation of Jehovah. 17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women-children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Sounds to me like he was doing what God was telling him to do.
And it is well known that Moses was a murderer before God began to use him.

and as i posted a few pages before, jesus sinned as well. the son of god (and to some, god in a human body) broke his/gods laws

Jesus didnt sin, I replied to that post.

There is no physical evidence of god. Going outside and looking at a tree is not evidence of god, its evidence that theres a tree.

Thats like saying theres a painting, that doesnt mean there was a painter, just that there is a painting.

Unicorns were considered the symbol of christ in the middle ages, and even mentioned in the king james bible and incorporated in many christian works of art. They were also thought to be true, with "medicines" containing "unicorn" hides, milk and horn. But of course now we know that unicorns are made up

I have never heard of such a thing. Where is a unicorn mentioned in the Bible?? There was a lot of weird stuff going on during the renaissance, so I wouldnt doubt that they came up with somthing like that.

 

[ill-matic]

Do you believe in heaven or reincarnation? Do you believe that god is eternal or god decays like humans?

Do you believe that jesus is your savior? Have you taken refuge with the three jewels? If yes to both, you've corrupted both religious views, if no to both you're niether christian or buddhist, if yes to one and no to the other, you're either a christian or buddhist, not both.

You're looking at his comment in a really narrow way. I think he means he follows the teachings and principles advocated in both religions.

 

[Glockmatic]

Sounds to me like he was doing what God was telling him to do.
And it is well known that Moses was a murderer before God began to use him.

the allmighty god using a murderer to spread his message, what a nice guy

Jesus didnt sin, I replied to that post.

you only replied with "hes god, he can do whatever he wants", so this god tells you to live by these rules or go to hell, then he goes and breaks them and expects you to still follow them?

Thats like saying theres a painting, that doesnt mean there was a painter, just that there is a painting.

We can trace who painted that painting because it is man-made, and we know humans exist. Suspicion or rather wishful thinking is not evidence. Its interesting how people deny ancient religions and dieties like Odin and Zeus, yet cannot grasp that the abrahamic god might not exist.

I have never heard of such a thing. Where is a unicorn mentioned in the Bible??

Job 39:9, king james bible

39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Jesus didnt sin, I replied to that post.

you only replied with "God can do whatever he wants" and "Jesus is god".

There was a lot of weird stuff going on during the renaissance, so I wouldnt doubt that they came up with somthing like that.

ya, weird things like rewriting certain books

 

[ill-matic]

Another thing - couldn't our perception of the existance of God just be beyond our own comprehension? Look at it this way, the ants crawling on the ground, buried metres within the earth in their colonies; their own network of living. It is beyond an ant's comprehension that aeroplanes exist, that cars exist, that there are humans who follow football etc. The concept sounds overwhelmingly stupid, but it rings some form relevance. Maybe our understanding of the existance of God is just beyond our comprehension? But then again, that idea just sounds like a cop out to something which we cannot prove and explain using fact.

 

[Glockmatic]

You're looking at his comment in a really narrow way. I think he means he follows the teachings and principles advocated in both religions.

The Dalai Lama then went on to state, "The conceptions of God and Creation are a point of departure between Buddhists and Christians" (55), and that "If you are Christian it is better to develop spiritually within your religion and be a genuine, good Christian. If you are a Buddhist, be a genuine Buddhist" (46). He then used illustrated his feelings here by quoting a Tibetan expression, which says, "Don't try to put a yak's head on a sheep's body" (105). -- The Dalai Lama, The Good Heart (Wisdom, 1996)

 

[ill-matic]

The Dalai Lama then went on to state, "The conceptions of God and Creation are a point of departure between Buddhists and Christians" (55), and that "If you are Christian it is better to develop spiritually within your religion and be a genuine, good Christian. If you are a Buddhist, be a genuine Buddhist" (46). He then used illustrated his feelings here by quoting a Tibetan expression, which says, "Don't try to put a yak's head on a sheep's body" (105). -- The Dalai Lama, The Good Heart (Wisdom, 1996)

So what? What the Dalai Lama thinks doesn't change my point. Just because that spiritual guru says you shouldn't doesnt mean you can't.

 

[Glockmatic]

Another thing - couldn't our perception of the existance of God just be beyond our own comprehension? Look at it this way, the ants crawling on the ground, buried metres within the earth in their colonies; their own network of living. It is beyond an ant's comprehension that aeroplanes exist, that cars exist, that there are humans who follow football etc. The concept sounds overwhelmingly stupid, but it rings some form relevance. Maybe our understanding of the existance of God is just beyond our comprehension? But then again, that idea just sounds like a cop out to something which we cannot prove and explain using fact.

Well you're right, its an easy way out of explaining something. Of course there is no real way to truely find out how our universe was created, but creating stories and higher beings to fill in that void and giving no evidence about it is just dumb

 

[Glockmatic]

So what? What the Dalai Lama thinks doesn't change my point. Just because that spiritual guru says you shouldn't doesnt mean you can't.

But the two teachings are incompatible with each other. To be a christian you must believe that the only way to salvation is through jesus, but in buddhism the only way to "salvation" is to be enlightened. Don't mix a tolerant religion like buddhism with christianity

 

[W210]

the allmighty god using a murderer to spread his message, what a nice guy

That just goes to show you there is nothing you can do that is beyond forgiveness from God, besides everyone has sinned, and he killed a guard who was abusing a hebrew slave.

you only replied with "hes god, he can do whatever he wants", so this god tells you to live by these rules or go to hell, then he goes and breaks them and expects you to still follow them?

God cant break rules that are only here for us. Like I said think of it like your parents telling you its bedtime at 9:00, but they can stay up later. The rule is there for you.

We can trace who painted that painting because it is man-made, and we know humans exist. Suspicion or rather wishful thinking is not evidence. Its interesting how people deny ancient religions and dieties like Odin and Zeus, yet cannot grasp that the abrahamic god might not exist.

Painting = painter
building = builder
creation = creator
common sense stuff.

And I dont think the norse gods are a very good argument.

Job 39:9, king james bible

39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Yea it does say that, I looked it up. But the unicorn in the hebrew dictionary isnt a one horned mystical horse, its a large extinct ox.

ya, weird things like rewriting certain books

There was nothing rewritin, the copies we have before and after are the same.

 

[W210]

Well you're right, its an easy way out of explaining something. Of course there is no real way to truely find out how our universe was created, but creating stories and higher beings to fill in that void and giving no evidence about it is just dumb

There is evidence, and ignoring it is just dumb.

 

[Glockmatic]

God cant break rules that are only here for us. Like I said think of it like your parents telling you its bedtime at 9:00, but they can stay up later. The rule is there for you.

The goverment created laws for citizens, but the laws still stand for the goverment.

Painting = painter
building = builder
creation = creator
common sense stuff.

And I dont think the norse gods are a very good argument.

you're filling in a void that cannot be explained else how. How are the norse gods less credible than the abrahamic gods?

There was nothing rewritin, the copies we have before and after are the same.

you REALLY believe this? You're saying a book that went from greek to hebrew to latin and to english has no mistranslations or flaws at all? Wow

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1436392,00.html

the most recent re-writting of the bible.

There is evidence, and ignoring it is just dumb.

post them, and don't just say "go outside"

 

[W210]

The goverment created laws for citizens, but the laws still stand for the goverment.

Government is still people! God>people

you're filling in a void that cannot be explained else how. How are the norse gods less credible than the abrahamic gods?

It is explained by common sense, and do you really think that the norse gods have as much credibility as the true LIVING GOD?

you REALLY believe this? You're saying a book that went from greek to hebrew to latin and to english has no mistranslations or flaws at all? Wow

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1436392,00.html

the most recent re-writting of the bible.

I didnt say that, I realize there have been mistakes in copies made, however the only variences have been speeling and punctuation from what I understand. People arent perfect, however the message is unchanged. And it wasnt translated from one language to another, to another, to another. We get all our translations from the original copies.

And the Bible is not being re-written. There are lots of different versons of the Bible for christians to make them easier to read. There is even an eubonics bible. That doesnt mean the Bible is changing. They are still translated from the originals. They will never change.

However if you really are worried about whether the Bible says "stoned", or "stoned to death", just get a king james version, I believe it is the closest direct translation, but it is also the hardest to read.

post them, and don't just say "go outside"

Creationists and evolutionists, Christians and non-Christians all have the same evidence—the same facts. Think about it: we all have the same earth, the same fossil layers, the same animals and plants, the same stars—the facts are all the same.

The difference is in the way we all interpret the facts. And why do we interpret facts differently? Because we start with different presuppositions. These are things that are assumed to be true, without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions. This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events.


And if you just go outside and look for yourself, its easier than me starting a whole creation vs. evolution debate.

 

[Illuminattile]

It is explained by common sense, and do you really think that the norse gods have as much credibility as the true LIVING GOD?

Why don't they? People used to believe in Norse Gods, people now believe in the Christian God...what's the big difference?

If you can dismiss other Gods, why can't you understand how atheists can dismiss your God?

Creationists and evolutionists, Christians and non-Christians all have the same evidence—the same facts. Think about it: we all have the same earth, the same fossil layers, the same animals and plants, the same stars—the facts are all the same.

The difference is in the way we all interpret the facts. And why do we interpret facts differently? Because we start with different presuppositions. These are things that are assumed to be true, without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions. This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events.

The difference is, Christians look at the Bible and then look at the facts. Since they believe the Bible to be infallible, their interpretation of the facts is biased. If the facts contradict the Bible, the facts are wrong.

 

[Glockmatic]

It is explained by common sense, and do you really think that the norse gods have as much credibility as the true LIVING GOD?

they have just the same amount of credibility as any religion. They have their own stories of how they were created and the miracles that happened.

I didnt say that, I realize there have been mistakes in copies made, however the only variences have been speeling and punctuation from what I understand. People arent perfect, however the message is unchanged. And it wasnt translated from one language to another, to another, to another. We get all our translations from the original copies.

And the Bible is not being re-written. There are lots of different versons of the Bible for christians to make them easier to read. There is even an eubonics bible. That doesnt mean the Bible is changing. They are still translated from the originals. They will never change.

“The WORDS OF THE LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOREVER.” Psalm 12:6,7

1. God is not the author of confusion. (1 Cor. 14:33)

2. There are 33,830 different Christian denominations, most claiming the Bible as the source of their differing dogmas, proving that the Bible is very confusing.

3. Therefore, God is not the author of the Bible.

 

[Valeoz]

3. Therefore, God is not the author of the Bible.

Nobody said he was.

And that Psalm passage doesn't reference the Bible, of all things.

 

[Glockmatic]

Nobody said he was.

And that Psalm passage doesn't reference the Bible, of all things.

people say the bible is the word of god, therefore the psalm would reference the book as well