Are you blind, Chistians

[VENOMOUS]

Alright heres the answer. How do i know that god isn't behind math and lightning? He doesn't exist

U dont know....thats where faith comes in to play. If you loan somebody money you have faith theyll pay u back right?.I dont know how else to explain it,imat a lost 4 words right now.I guess people just put there faith into different things.Some in GOD and some into The world and scientist amongst other things.


And im not really debating im just asking questions (which havent been answered)and just basicly sharing my thoughts.

 

[Glockmatic]

I know what glock said.My response was something along the line maybe it was there destiny to die i dont know its beyond my understanding.But what i was basicly saying, Everthing has a reason.There nothing in this universe that happens 4 no reason.Its called cause and effect,every action has a reaction ,From the sub atomic level to our daily lives to the way the universe operates on a bigger scale everything is connected ina flabbergasting way...Maybe it took 1800 people 2 die so that others could live.Just like you cant prove it was Gods will i cant prove it wasnt.I just discern things differently.


And bereal y cant i make more then one post if more then one person is quoting me

So this god gives us free will yet chooses the destiny of people to die? Good thing scientists and doctors don't think the way you do or we'd be going nowhere

U dont know....thats where faith comes in to play. If you loan somebody money you have faith theyll pay u back right?.I dont know how else to explain it,imat a lost 4 words right now.I guess people just put there faith into different things.Some in GOD and some into The world and scientist amongst other things.

If i loaned someone money i'd have the law behind me for them to pay me back

 

[Sebastian]

And bereal y cant i make more then one post if more then one person is quoting me

You can, but put their quotes in one post. Dont make one post for each quote.

 

[W210]

You know jack shit. Stop making dumb posts.

Oh come on b for real, say somthing intelligent.

 

[Bender]

What's the slow up on the 2nd coming you guys talk about? Jesus already came and then died back then and came back. So how is it the 2nd coming the next time? Plus, Jesus said one shall be taken and the other left! But that didnt even happen when Jesus came back from the dead as the story reads. Matter of fact explian to me why come you are still a Christian. I used to be one myself.

^Ha ha! You've just brought Jesus back to life.



Jesus will never die (metaphorically speaking).

 

[VENOMOUS]

So this god gives us free will yet chooses the destiny of people to die? Good thing scientists and doctors don't think the way you do or we'd be going nowhere



If i loaned someone money i'd have the law behind me for them to pay me back

I never said God created there destiny . I believe man creates his own destiny.I guess you missed when i said every action has a reaction ,cause and efffect is what creates our destiny I believe are life/soul(which is energy and energy never dies it just changes form) comes from GOD and we choose what we do with our lives as far as in how we live our lives and the choices we make in our lives.

Those people made a choice in life to move to where they died at not knowing that would be the outcome if they moved there.Im pretty sure if they knew the risk 1800 people wouldnt have died.The choices in life always leads you a step closer or a step further from death.choices you make in life =your destiny or what you are destined to be.You can be destined to be anything its all on you.

Better yet where do i say God chooses are destiny?


And you missed the point i was trying to make with the money.You wouldnt let somebody borrow money if you didnt have faith that theyll pay you back.You would only get the law on them if they let you down.But then even moreso youd have to put your faith in the law hoping they can get your money back through the judicial system.

stay up 1

 

[EDouble]

faith in regards to the shit with loanin some one money is just faith in your fellow brothers and they say were all made in God's image

 

[Glockmatic]

I never said God created there destiny . I believe man creates his own destiny.I guess you missed when i said every action has a reaction ,cause and efffect is what creates our destiny I believe are life/soul(which is energy and energy never dies it just changes form) comes from GOD and we choose what we do with our lives as far as in how we live our lives and the choices we make in our lives.

Those people made a choice in life to move to where they died at not knowing that would be the outcome if they moved there.Im pretty sure if they knew the risk 1800 people wouldnt have died.The choices in life always leads you a step closer or a step further from death.choices you make in life =your destiny or what you are destined to be.You can be destined to be anything its all on you.

Better yet where do i say God chooses are destiny?

Everything is done by god as you said in your other post, so human destiny = by god. Destiny is for fairy tales and wishful thinking, the only destiny we have is rotting in the ground

 

[VENOMOUS]

Everything is done by god as you said in your other post, so human destiny = by god. Destiny is for fairy tales and wishful thinking, the only destiny we have is rotting in the ground

So then we are all living 4 nothing?we have no purpose.There are no such things as morals it really doesnt exsist.Its ok to rape, steal ,lie and cheat etc????If not then why?


And i said everything Is created by GOD not done by God big difference but God Left man with the ability to create his own destiny through free will..

 

[VENOMOUS]

faith in regards to the shit with loanin some one money is just faith in your fellow brothers and they say were all made in God's image

Very true but its still faith all the same just on a smaller.And it is said adam the 1st man was created in Gods image then the seeds of adam were created in the image of there father adam.(which is us)

i dont have the answers to nothing i just have a strong faith in what i believe in due to things ive seen and experience in this life.

 

[Glockmatic]

So then we are all living 4 nothing?we have no purpose.There are no such things as morals it really doesnt exsist.Its ok to rape, steal ,lie and cheat etc????If not then why?


And i said everything Is created by GOD not done by God big difference but God Left man with the ability to create his own destiny through free will..

God did not create morals, humans created morals. You learn your morals from your parents and your parents learned their morals from their parents. We don't need a god to have a meaning in life, Viktor Frankl said it best when he said "Why don't you kill yourself? Whatever your answer is, that is how you define the meaning of your life. There is no better, more universal, answer". Atheists make less than 1% of the prison population of america (http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm), while the "morally superior" religious people make up the larger portion of the prison population.

 

[VENOMOUS]

God did not create morals, humans created morals. You learn your morals from your parents and your parents learned their morals from their parents. We don't need a god to have a meaning in life, Viktor Frankl said it best when he said "Why don't you kill yourself? Whatever your answer is, that is how you define the meaning of your life. There is no better, more universal, answer". Atheists make less than 1% of the prison population of america (http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm), while the "morally superior" religious people make up the larger portion of the prison population.

Glockmatic when did i say GOD created morals?(not saying he didnt)And a person doesnt need there parents to teach them lying,murdering,cheating,stealing in wrong.How can u define life, if life has no meaning in your world when everything your doing has no purpose because in the end you die better yet how can u define something thats not definite?Thats impossible.
And what does belving in GOD have 2 do with the prison population.most people find religon when there in a fucked up situation.But Religon has nothing to do with GOD But everything to do with how men worship GOD.

Your saying you dont believe GoD so u basicly believe in nothing.If you believe in nothing.Then there is no such things as morals.Its okay to lie cheat and steal, cause morals basicly dont exsist in your world.In your world man is just an animal,animals dont have morals.They live there life by survival of the fittest.
And if thats the case Hitler wasnt wrong for believing that the ariyan race Is the master race and wanting to exterminate all other race's because its survival of the fittest.Right?

 

[Glockmatic]

Glockmatic when did i say GOD created morals?

Your saying you dont believe GoD so u basicly believe in nothing.If you believe in nothing.Then there is no such things as morals.

Answered your own question in the same post

But Religon has nothing to do with GOD But everything to do with how men worship GOD.

so it does have something to do with god

And a person doesnt need there parents to teach them lying,murdering,cheating,stealing in wrong.

parents and society teaches us not to do that. A person doesn't need god to know that lying murdering cheating and stealing is wrong.

How can u define life, if life has no meaning in your world when everything your doing has no purpose because in the end you die better yet how can u define something thats not definite?Thats impossible.

The basic meaning of my life is to raise a family and support them. We will all die, and like i said in my other post that is the only fate/destiny we have. Not believing in god doesn't mean we don't have a meaning to life, the only difference between yours and mine is that you believe you'll go somewhere afterwards, i don't.

Your saying you dont believe GoD so u basicly believe in nothing.If you believe in nothing.Then there is no such things as morals.Its okay to lie cheat and steal, cause morals basicly dont exsist in your world.

I believe in my fellow human beings, the same human beings who created morals. Not believing in god does not mean people are unmoral, its idiocy to believe that.

In your world man is just an animal,animals dont have morals.They live there life by survival of the fittest.

maybe they do have morals, how do you know?

And if thats the case Hitler wasnt wrong for believing that the ariyan race Is the master race and wanting to exterminate all other race's because its survival of the fittest.

if you're equating a mass extermination of a race to evolution then you need to start reading more books (non-fiction books that is). survival of the fittest involves passing along of genes, not mass murder.

Right?

far from it

 

[W210]

God did not create morals, humans created morals. You learn your morals from your parents and your parents learned their morals from their parents. We don't need a god to have a meaning in life, Viktor Frankl said it best when he said "Why don't you kill yourself? Whatever your answer is, that is how you define the meaning of your life. There is no better, more universal, answer". Atheists make less than 1% of the prison population of america (http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm), while the "morally superior" religious people make up the larger portion of the prison population.

I disagree, big surprise. God created us as a moral people, but I still believe that we get our morals from the laws God gave us, and our conscience constantly reminds us of any deviation from them. So if we trace back far enough, who did our parents, parents get their morals from? It would go back to the beginning.
And with all the suicides that occur everyday maybe people arent coming up with a meaning on their own? And I would say that most people who consider themselves morally superior arent. I would say 80% of people who say they are christians, only say that because their parents went to church or whatever, and really arent. This would be supported by your post of the prison population.