How do you want to die?

[Preach]

In preaches arms.

pz

This was unexpected, and made my day. Thank you, you big ol' ball of luff. Sign into MSN more often.

I don't have any particular preferences, just something that doesn't chronically hurt before it finishes me off. Like burning to death would suck.

 

[masta247]

I don't have any particular preferences, just something that doesn't chronically hurt before it finishes me off. Like burning to death would suck.

Sinking or being smashed by something moving slowly freaks me out more.

 

[Killuminatii 71]

Being chased by secret service, fbi, cia, and the military... for beheading the president.

 

[Duke]

There is probably no "black hole" as it's described by old school scientists and movies but it's a cool concept.

Yes there is....unless you have some really groundbreaking theory...in which case I'd suggest to publish it.

 

[masta247]

Yes there is....unless you have some really groundbreaking theory...in which case I'd suggest to publish it.

not really. I mean, there is a "thing" or an occurance called the black hole which is sort of proven but it's not an evil matter-consuming thing.
People claiming that black hole is what limits the universe are wrong because our universe is unlimited. In fact the space which fills the universe is "nothing" and nothing is not limited. It doesn't make much sense if you listen to it but it's the most real theory I know.

 

[Duke]

not really. I mean, there is a "thing" or an occurance called the black hole which is sort of proven but it's not an evil matter-consuming thing.
People claiming that black hole is what limits the universe are wrong because our universe is unlimited. In fact the space which fills the universe is "nothing" and nothing is not limited. It doesn't make much sense if you listen to it but it's the most real theory I know.

A black hole is a point of matter so dense it attracts everything, and nothing can escape from it. It has an "event horizon" beyond which everything that happens (i.e. inside it) cannot be percieved anymore from the outside, since radiation and light also can't escape.

But very well, I will say "I wish to die by being DRAWN INTO a black hole", if it suits you.


And for the other thing, we don't know if the universe is finite or not.

 

[masta247]

And for the other thing, we don't know if the universe is finite or not.

Yes, but theories that fit my knowledge best claim that it's infinite. These theories are also backed up by some of the greatest scientists I know.

I used to be really interested in these things and made quite a lot of research to trully understand what the black hole is and how our universe works and what it actually is.

 

[Duke]

We only know with relative certainty that it expands. Whether it'll keep doing this or contract again, it's not known.

What you are referring to is the fields of such deep-theories we're not gonna be able to find out who hits closest for a long ass time.

Although I suppose what you mean is the "critical" value of the expansion?

 

[Jokerman]

Yes, but theories that fit my knowledge best claim that it's infinite.

The universe is certainly not infinite. In fact, I can see the end from my house.

For the universe to be infinite it must have expanded for an infinitely long time or at an infinite rate, neither of which is true. It can’t be both expanding and infinite. Expanding infinity is a contradiction in terms.

 

[Bender]

if philosophical scientists exist they would argue that you cannot argue against that which is objective to something that is subjective, as in comparing the physical expansion of the universe compared with subjective human ideas of theories, are we really meant to be translators for such an equation

 

[masta247]

The point is that our universe is not an object and some people look at it from a bad perspective. Someone who is really good with discrete mathematics would tell you that there is nothing outside of our universe (U'). The point is that in reality there's simply no barrier of our universe because why should there be one? If you go far away in the deep space you might notice that there's no matter there untill something (fe. an asteroid) moves there. So untill there is nothing there it is simply nothing. There's nothing that is less than a piece of space that doesn't contain anything. There's no magic barrier that protects us from reaching a bigger nothing than vacuum. Vacuum is in fact unlimited and it is simply nothing untill an object or some other kind of matter places itself there. While my skill to present it might not be good enough I belive that it's logical.

 

[Duke]

are we really meant to be translators for such an equation

Yes, that is God's will.

 

[Duke]

The point is that our universe is not an object and some people look at it from a bad perspective. Someone who is really good with discrete mathematics would tell you that there is nothing outside of our universe (U'). The point is that in reality there's simply no barrier of our universe because why should there be one? If you go far away in the deep space you might notice that there's no matter there untill something (fe. an asteroid) moves there. So untill there is nothing there it is simply nothing. There's nothing that is less than a piece of space that doesn't contain anything. There's no magic barrier that protects us from reaching a bigger nothing than vacuum. Vacuum is in fact unlimited and it is simply nothing untill an object or some other kind of matter places itself there. While my skill to present it might not be good enough I belive that it's logical.

But it's not nothing. There's something there, besides masses of radiation.

 

[Snowman]

I wanna go peacefully in my sleep.

 

[masta247]

But it's not nothing. There's something there, besides masses of radiation.

Somewhere on the internet there was a nice publication on relations between radiotion and matter.
Anyway that's not the point. Maybe somewhere far away there's some empty space that doesn't contain any radiation and any matter but still it's just the same vacuum. There's nothing that is less than vacuum and there's no barrier far away. There's just the same piece of vacuum wherever you look. It can change it's condition when a matter enters it and that's when it becomes a "something".

Maybe that'll make my point easier to understand - by 'vacuum' I mean a static "element" of space that has a potential to hold any type of matter (be it some gas, fluid or something solid) or radiation. When it does not contain it it's what everyone would call a "nothing". As simple as that, it's still the same element which in fact might not be an element at all if you look at it from a different direction. So in my opinion people are wrong when they picture "nothing" as something that exists.

 

[Duke]

I can be of the opinion that the universe ends at the tip of my schlong, but it does not make it so.

 

[masta247]

I believe that we can't define our universe as some sort of object. We might try to say that here is our universe and then point far away to the sky and say that somewhere out there it ends but that's what I think is wrong because after passing light years of nothing there might be some other object beyond it. If we travel at an unlimited speed and get past all the objects and there's nothing further and we're traveling the space then we will be forever in vacuum and if you believe that our universe is an objects then we would be enlarging it by moving further away from every other matter. We wouldn't ever find a magic wall, we would be always the furthest element of our universe and the further we would get the bigger our universe would be (for people seeing our universe as an object).

 

[Jokerman]

wtf are u guys talking about? Nothing and walls and schlongs... Get me out of this place, I'm in outer space, I've vanished without a trace. I'm going to a pretty place.

 

[Duke]

I believe that we can't define our universe as some sort of object. We might try to say that here is our universe and then point far away to the sky and say that somewhere out there it ends but that's what I think is wrong because after passing light years of nothing there might be some other object beyond it. If we travel at an unlimited speed and get past all the objects and there's nothing further and we're traveling the space then we will be forever in vacuum and if you believe that our universe is an objects then we would be enlarging it by moving further away from every other matter. We wouldn't ever find a magic wall, we would be always the furthest element of our universe and the further we would get the bigger our universe would be (for people seeing our universe as an object).

But there is no nothing, there's no absolute "vacuum" as you put it. Not that we know of, anyway.

So that sort of shuts your idea down. SInce there'd be no "nothing" that can extend the universe infinitely.

 

[ImmortalTech]

got damn WoW anybody?