A better society (close to a utopia)

[Sign Related]

If everyone able to work, worldwide, would just be: assigned randomly to a job, forced to train prior to working it (if it's not one where you can be trained as you work), then forced to work it for no money, then everyone participating could live decently in a money-free society. Production of life's needed and wanted things would still go on under this being forced. All the things you normally pay for with money wouldn't cost a penny. All there has to be then is a regulation on how much of something you need or want you can purchase for free (yes, it'll be hooked up to an unhackable computer system that'll keep track of what all you can get for free so it can be regulated).

It would be one form of slavery in exchange for another form of slavery. Think about this: Money to earn a decent living (still slavery) vs forced to earn a decent living (still slavery). With one though there would be no one left behind without work for a decent living.

The penalty for not cooperating would limit you in getting what you want, but not what you absolutely need as a part of being human. And you'd be confined for a specific amount of time in a prison for punishment with having to do some forced labor still until it's seen you are ready to conform to the new society. In such the kind of society I doubt ppl would choose not to cooperate.

Think about it... Everyone would be treated equal in the process of this new society. And if you dont do well in your first randomly assigned job you'll be simply transferred to another randomly assigned job. Training for any randomly assigned job would of course be free since you'd be apart of a productive society, where everyone is helping everyone whether they like it or not. Also in such the kind of society you can do work that you're not forced to do aside from the work you're forced to do.

What do you think? Would you conform to such a society? Would such a society work better than this current society in how it is?

Oh and ppl that arent able to work in this new kind of society get a free pass because there either too young, too old, or too disabled to work. The stuff they need/want would still be regulated to keep the society in check/balance. Wouldnt want some ppl with way too much free stuff than what the others are able to have that could have went to someone else.

The kind of society I think would be called a "civil forced society" or a "forced civil society" (or else what would it be called?). In this current society you are already being forced to make money for survival. Like why not just cut the middle illusion (money) out? If it takes money then it dont make sense.

In a money based society no one is actually free because they "have to" work for money to make it. And it takes that earned money to only TRY to be free from any legal situation you're unfortunately crossed with. Turn the tables differently and all lawyers to defend you in a court of law are free to help you out. Now wouldn't that be better off? Wouldnt it be better off to be this kind of slave rather than the current kind of trapped slave? In the current form of modern day slavery you're a slave to the system and a puppet to its money. I tell you, in such the new kind of society the court system wouldnt be so unfair by far any further. They wouldnt be able to get away with it with all the free help to fight for justice. The court system is the back bone to so much of the injustice and modern day slavery going on in the world today. Some ppl are stuck paying child support when under my kind of new society they wouldnt have to. The benifits outweigh the kind of discomfort in being forced to simply work.

Plus, isnt everyone sick of having to pay taxes? And isnt everyone sick of gold diggers (tricks and pimps)? I bet folks are tired of being pimped and scamed for money.

I ought to make a name for the types of slavery so ppl can see which bracket they are already in and which bracket they'd rather be in. Face it, life is slavery one way or the motherfucking other. You just got to pick and choose the lesser evil.

 

[Illuminattile]

Utopia? You're suggesting that we take away people's freedom. I don't want the government to decide what I need and how much of it I need. By working and earning money, you can decide yourself what to spend it on. I also wouldn't want the government deciding what jobs there should be, and who should be doing them. That would kill off entrepreneurship. What if someone has a brilliant idea for a new business, but the government says "sorry, you've been randomly assigned to flip burgers"? Not to mention the fact that you can't randomly assign neurosurgeons or rocket scientists. People have inherent aptitudes, your system would seemingly ignore that. And why should someone who gets randomly assigned a nice, easy job be treated as well as someone who has to work twice as hard in a more important job?

I could go on.

 

[FroDawgg]

i have ALWAYS believed that this world would be a better place without money, and i definitely would conform. problem is, people are so used to being rewarded for working, that if society changed to moneyless, no one would work. but if there never was anything like money, then i think people would have been working all along simply for the good of mankind. fuck money.

 

[Prize Gotti]

^^ I firmly believe at one point money will siese to excist, probably not in our lifetimes, but eventually technology would be so advanced the machines will do all of mans work, and money would bear no meaning, every body in the world will live equaly. However I believe that may cause the extinction of man kind. It is activity like work that keeps us occupied during our lives. Shit I get bored having a day off work, imagine having your whole life not working, you would run out of things to do. Also, if we reach a technological point where people are no longer required to work, what will happen to jobs such as entertainers, musicians and artists? Talent is something that machines could never recreate.
I don't think sporting activities will die, money in sports is just a bonus, the title is the most important thing.

 

[PuffnScruff]

Utopia? You're suggesting that we take away people's freedom. I don't want the government to decide what I need and how much of it I need. By working and earning money, you can decide yourself what to spend it on. I also wouldn't want the government deciding what jobs there should be, and who should be doing them. That would kill off entrepreneurship. What if someone has a brilliant idea for a new business, but the government says "sorry, you've been randomly assigned to flip burgers"? Not to mention the fact that you can't randomly assign neurosurgeons or rocket scientists. People have inherent aptitudes, your system would seemingly ignore that. And why should someone who gets randomly assigned a nice, easy job be treated as well as someone who has to work twice as hard in a more important job?

I could go on.

agreed

also, currency is whatever you make it to be. so you get rid of greenbacks, ok, then what? something else will just replace that as currency. anything of value can be currency.

 

[Sign Related]

The world's leaders need to all get together and make this ideal scenerio happen. The next batch of world leaders, following, would be elected just as well as how it is now, and would all make no money too just like the rest of us because money under this kind of new society would become all so useless. Say good-bye to puppets, and let true colors of individuals flash forth.

Under this kind of new civil forced society the higher the damand for things go up the more productivity will simply go up. That's work for everybody abled to work. There will always be something for the ppl to do. Work worldwide would be forced part-time labor. Full time labor would be voluntary only. All self ran businesses (since just about everybody would have the means to run a business they came up with) or extra education would be optional for anyone as long as they themselves still conform to the random assigned part-time job.

Since ppl are assigned randomly to training/jobs it would cut any possible discrimination off at the source. This new kind of society would prevent this kind of discimination.

And this spells economic genius in the making because all nations debt would wiped away. Money related sanctions would be cast away for good. Less stress on a nation equals less war to no war as the possibility.

Picture health care for all worldwide. Think of all the 'pay nobody' to travel you get to have to and from anywhere on the globe.

With freedom of movement, which everybody will finally have (because remember under the money related society it took having money inorder to do certain things like move around), you can relocate to anywhere in the world and still get yourself a similar assigned job as the previous or another randomly assigned job with training to train for prior.


^^^And it's all worth simply being forced to work a random job.

 

[AmerikazMost]

Being an economics/political science major, I just want to say that I love you all very much. That's not even a judgment on your political views--it's a fact. Go read a book that doesn't have pictures in it.

I'm going to go back to school now. Y'all should think about doing it sometime.

 

[Cooper]

Just because you have a degree, doesn't stop you being an idiot.

 

[Chronic]

Go read a book that doesn't have pictures in it.

What about a book with a picture on the cover?

 

[AmerikazMost]

Just because you have a degree, doesn't stop you being an idiot.

Although I commend you for standing up for the educationally impoverished, and agree with you to some small extent, there is a significant correlation between intelligence and levels of education.

What about a book with a picture on the cover?

That would be on, not in. So yes, they are OK.

 

[Cooper]

Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught.

 

[Illuminattile]

The world's leaders need to all get together and make this ideal scenerio happen.

If that were even possible, it would take several decades for them to even decide where to hold the meeting.

Seriously, there is no merit to these ideas. You might as well suggest everyone grow gills and swim to the bottom of the ocean to live with the seahorses. That's equally as plausible.

 

[Pain Of Depth]

what an idea, I'm just speechless

 

[Preach]

yeah i'm sort of speechless too lol.

so what then if i want a new computer? i go to a store where some random dude is assigned to do something he possibly has no clue about, and he's gonna do what, give it to me for free?

money is just something that's valuable. soon as the earth's resources run out and people start dying, money will lose its importance and there's possibly gonna be a major inflation all over the world. what's gonna happen to people who have loaned money. not to mention, how are you gonna buy a house? yeah, someone can build it for you and in turn you have a potato field and give them the potatoes and everyone is happy at the end of the day, right? no. social construct or not, the desire to have personal possessions is natural for us humans by now, and i am never gonna do a damn thing for anyone unless it serves either a greater good or an increase in my bank account. simple as that. i give money out of my pay check to an authorized organization that helps fight starvation in africa. it's a marginal amount compared to what i make, but i work my ass of every day for that money and i want to be able to spend it on something nice.

if everyone's gonna do everything for free, what's that gonna do with people's expectations? there will always be sociopaths, and they will affect the people around them, which in turn will affect the people around them. they tried communism in russia. look how that went. they tried it on cuba. it still works and some people there still support castro, but all in all, most people in the world realize the man is an idiot. he lives in a palace but claims to be a communist? c'mon. go fuck yourself, castro. the human nature is too selfish for an anarchitic system to ever work. it's a natural instinct, not a social construct. i mentioned this in my thesis thread, but even when you do something for someone else as a selfless act, you are the one telling yourself the act is selfless, but if it was something that you absolutely did not want to do, you simply would not do it, so in a way, everything you do, you do for yourself.

within that context i find it hard to believe that your idea would ever work. even in an ideal world you will still find sociopaths, and they are the reason why the current system doesn't work. "sociopath" is a description that can be used in several contexts. in some ways, george bush is a sociopath. criminals are sociopaths. people who abuse other people are sociopaths. people who disregard other people's feelings and don't think before they act, regardless of the margin of the action they take, are sociopaths in some way.

shit, we're all sociopaths. some of us are stubborn, some of us are selfish, some of us are criminal, some of us are depressed, some of us are addicted to cigarettes. what is even a sociopath? we're all different people with different universes in our heads. if, at one point, no one is looking at the moon.. does it exist? it's there.. but no one is observing it, so is it really there? now i'm getting semantic, but i'm trying to paint the picture that order is a natural aspect of human nature, of mammal nature. i know of birds that collect leafs, nuts, straws, shiny objects and anything they can find that has an appealing, colorful look. they make themselves a sort of little "cave" where they line up all their items in a symmetric order. it's a trick to try and lure female birds. the bird with the best collection has the higher chance of finding a mate. do you see the similarities when someone tries to impress a woman by trying to come off as confident, wealthy or nice? we call ourselves humans because we are the only race on earth that can form that thought, but from a scientific point of view, we are an animal like every other living thing on this planet. a mammal. anarchy will NEVER work, and that is basically what you are suggesting. a world where everyone shares work force and resources. good luck with that.

maybe you should move to cuba. although castro's probably dead soon anway, after which america will invade, put a dictator in place, sell a bunch of guns and then pull out.